Is Singapore lack of local good doctor?

[Guest Pok Pei Pian]

Singapore government wanted to recruit 130 doctor from India.

I am worrying for Singaporean as alot of fake certificate from India. I do not trust their doctor giving good treatment. I must asked the Singapore government; Is Singapore lack of local good doctor?

[Steve5380]

It seems that our opinions that Indian doctors cannot be trusted may be unfounded.  There is some information that rate them as excellent:

 

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/why-you-should-respect-indian-doctor-doctors-day-originally-sebin#:~:text=Despite limited resources%2C Indian doctors,the highest quality of care.

 

It should not be unreasonable that all doctors in the civilized world are about the same.   What should be a point of contention is:  Can mainstream conventional medicine be 100% trustworthy?   DEFINITELY NOT.  And the proof is in the changes of ideologies and treatments that occur over time,  and also in the time lag of new discoveries to trickle through to become mainstream treatments.  It is important if we have some medical conditions that require treatments,  to become EXPERTS in the latest about such treatments, and even investigate about alternative treatments.  This is what the Internet is good for.

[Guest wHO]

I think if the doctors from India are graduates with good academics from reputable university and have good characters is okay and welcomed. I am only scared of doctors who does thing in very neglect and half hearted way. There is many case already in Singapore that average doctors are just doing for the money only. Don't discriminate the origins of the doctor, because they may be the one to really do the job and save you or live ones. It is an opportunity for the good and maybe bad doctors to move into Singapore and start a new life here. I can only say most doctors are doing it for the money or moving to directorship roles instead. So, it just another poison you choose to take.

 

If really want to compare knowing hardship and chances of finding doctors. I think it would start elsewhere. India may not be the best place to live and work as compared to Singapore. their average earning power is much lowered but cheaper living condition and also quality and security of lives, since their govt is openly known corrupted and powered hungry. And I believe indian from the grounds knows much hardships compared to Singapore kids which are very much pampered and academically focused. So please don't jump to bandwagon to hate the people. Rather, look at how our govt is doing things. Most local graduates have better opportunities in countries as Canada and NZ and Aus. Someday, the India doctors working here will be likely be poached elsewhere too.

[Guest Yes]

Yes. 

Cause you can earn more in finance of tech. 

Doctor is giving your life away. You can't change career as a doctor. 

You can't call in sick. 

You are a slave to seeing sick people everyday. Every night. 

And you wonder why you got into medicine in the first place. 

Other than your parents telling you to be a doctor or lawyer and you chose doctor cause its a more noble profession 

[Guest Chinese]

On 10/4/2022 at 2:41 AM, Guest Pok Pei Pian said:

Singapore government wanted to recruit 130 doctor from India.

I am worrying for Singaporean as alot of fake certificate from India. I do not trust their doctor giving good treatment. I must asked the Singapore government; Is Singapore lack of local good doctor?

Yes ask please.  Best next parliament you go and ask them 

Machiam your concern will change their decision

[Guest Barrel scrapping]

On 10/4/2022 at 9:25 AM, Guest Chinese said:

Yes ask please.  Best next parliament you go and ask them 

Machiam your concern will change their decision

My mom do not have good experience with those people at the polyclinic.  Language barrier is one, being rude and arrogant is quite another too.

[lonelyglobe]

On 10/4/2022 at 2:41 AM, Guest Pok Pei Pian said:

I must asked the Singapore government; Is Singapore lack of local good doctor?

Dont need to ask government,  this tiny red dot is lack of everything that you can think of, so the only way to solve the problem is to import everything. 

[Guest Clueless]

On 10/4/2022 at 11:09 AM, Guest Barrel scrapping said:

My mom do not have good experience with those people at the polyclinic.  Language barrier is one, being rude and arrogant is quite another too.

 

You’d also start worrying when he starts googling for every few questions you ask.

[Guest Francois54]

On 10/4/2022 at 3:46 AM, Steve5380 said:

It seems that our opinions that Indian doctors cannot be trusted may be unfounded.  There is some information that rate them as excellent:

 

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/why-you-should-respect-indian-doctor-doctors-day-originally-sebin#:~:text=Despite limited resources%2C Indian doctors,the highest quality of care.

 

It should not be unreasonable that all doctors in the civilized world are about the same.   What should be a point of contention is:  Can mainstream conventional medicine be 100% trustworthy?   DEFINITELY NOT.  And the proof is in the changes of ideologies and treatments that occur over time,  and also in the time lag of new discoveries to trickle through to become mainstream treatments.  It is important if we have some medical conditions that require treatments,  to become EXPERTS in the latest about such treatments, and even investigate about alternative treatments.  This is what the Internet is good for.

Your interpretation is wrong. He is emphasizing fraud in the credentials and not the ability of Indian doctors. There are lot of very good Indian doctors who are also getting victimized of the bad reputations of only few who do fraud.

[Steve5380]

On 10/4/2022 at 2:07 AM, Guest Francois54 said:

Your interpretation is wrong. He is emphasizing fraud in the credentials and not the ability of Indian doctors. There are lot of very good Indian doctors who are also getting victimized of the bad reputations of only few who do fraud.

 

I didn't made up what you claim from the bad English of the TS.  But it really doesn't matter.  I also wrote about medical doctors in general.

 

We should NEVER put ourselves completely in the hands of one medical doctor.  To seek second opinions is usually recommended.  But I think that this is not enough.  If we have an illness that needs treatment we should become diligent and learn everything we can about this illness.  The Internet is full of information, and we should also read what alternative medicine has to say about it.

 

 

[bluerunner]

On 10/4/2022 at 11:45 AM, lonelyglobe said:

Dont need to ask government,  this tiny red dot is lack of everything that you can think of, so the only way to solve the problem is to import everything. 

The only thing that we are not lack of is Complain Kings and Queens. 😝

Joke aside, it’s true that we are really SHORT of medical stuff. Look at the long queue at poly clinic and the long waiting time at outpatient specialist at government hospitals! Scary and sad. 

[singalion]

On 10/4/2022 at 2:41 AM, Guest Pok Pei Pian said:

Singapore government wanted to recruit 130 doctor from India.

I am worrying for Singaporean as alot of fake certificate from India. I do not trust their doctor giving good treatment. I must asked the Singapore government; Is Singapore lack of local good doctor?

 

This is my response to this:

 

Mon, Mar 01, 2010 The Straits Times

By Linus Lin   A SINGAPOREAN has been arrested in Australia for using a fake degree to masquerade as a doctor.   The 29-year-old is believed to have dropped out of the University of Adelaide's medical programme.   But that apparently did not stop him from getting an internship last May at the Alice Springs Hospital, where he worked until his arrest on Wednesday.   The truth finally came to light when senior doctors supervising him became concerned over his performance and checked with the University of Adelaide. The hospital then alerted the Northern Territory Police.   'We can confirm that the man arrested is a 29-year-old Singapore national,' a police spokesman told The Straits Times yesterday, but she declined to name the man. The hospital in Alice Springs - the second-largest city in Australia's Northern Territory - told The Straits Times that the Singaporean was a junior doctor in the Medicine, Surgery and Emergency Department.   He did not perform any surgical work, but may have come into contact with at least 400 patients while working there.   The hospital said that its director of emergency medicine had reviewed all of those cases and 'is confident that all aspects of care were supervised and that the appropriate care was provided'.   Australian media reported that although the suspect had produced a medical degree from the University of Adelaide, he had attended courses there for only two years and had not completed the full programme, which usually takes six years.   But his fake degree was such a high-quality forgery that it was cleared by the Medical Board of the Northern Territory, the region's regulatory body for medical practitioners.   Dr Charles Kilburn, who chairs the board, was quoted as saying that the fake degree even bore the signature of an Australian Justice of the Peace.   The board had earlier granted the Singaporean conditional registration to work as an intern at the hospital on the basis of the fraudulent degree.   A spokesman for the University of Adelaide confirmed that although the suspect never completed a medical degree, he had previously graduated with a bachelor's degree in health sciences.   The Northern Territory police are investigating.

 

 

Edited October 5, 2022 by singalion

[singalion]

On 10/4/2022 at 2:41 AM, Guest Pok Pei Pian said:

Singapore government wanted to recruit 130 doctor from India.

I am worrying for Singaporean as alot of fake certificate from India. I do not trust their doctor giving good treatment. I must asked the Singapore government; Is Singapore lack of local good doctor?

 

The detection of fake certificates by MOM would not be any issue, if MOM applied more scrutiny on certs.

 

What I don't understand is why the hospitals and MOM don't apply their own checks whether any educational certs are valid.

As of now, MOM "outsources" this job to third parties.

 

In nowadays fast world with emails etc, it shouldn't be a big issue or job to verify with universities or government boards overseas if any certificate is valid or whether any person has attained this degree...

 

But...

 

 

[Guest Why]

But why import from India and not from Malaysia? Or Indonesia? 

 

Is it because of Indian scholar? 

[lonelyglobe]

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/with-aged-care-critical-spore-will-need-more-foreign-nurses-ong-ye-kung

 

Where else can we get 20,000+ healthcare staff in less than 10 years? India,  China and SEA countries are the best bet. 

[Guest Nurse low pay does more]

But Indian doesn't speak mandarin. 

How to help the aging old folks who dunno engrish. 

 

My friend used to work in hospital he said the hospital have a training area for nurses. Teach them etc. One time he was at the area and he was confused is this a nursing training area or a maid training area cause all of the nurses are pinoy 

 

Singapore have few nurses. Those supervisor role senior role are reserved for local while those foreign nurses have to take those long shifts nobody wants.