Elon Musk and Twitter

[singalion]

6 minutes ago, singalion said:

And the negative news doesn't stop here! What was there about "free speech"??? Seems all a bit arbitrary here....  and people already said, such polls are not representative.   December 16, 2022

Twitter suspends several journalists, Musk cites 'doxxing' of his jet

Dec 15 (Reuters) - Twitter on Thursday suspended the accounts of several prominent journalists who recently wrote about its new owner Elon Musk, with the billionaire tweeting that rules banning the publishing of personal information applied to all, including journalists.

Responding to a Tweet on the account suspensions, Musk, who has described himself as a free speech absolutist, tweeted: "Same doxxing rules apply to 'journalists' as to everyone else," a reference to Twitter rules banning the sharing of personal information, called doxxing.

 

Musk's tweet referred to Twitter's Wednesday suspension of @elonjet, an account tracking his private jet in real time using data available in the public domain. Musk had threatened legal action against the account's operator, saying his son had been mistakenly followed by a "crazy stalker".

It was unclear if all the journalists whose accounts were suspended had commented on or shared news about @elonjet.

He had tweeted last month that his commitment to free speech extended "even to not banning the account following my plane, even though that is a direct personal safety risk".

He tweeted on Thursday that there would be a seven-day suspension for doxxing, following that up with a poll asking Twitter users to vote on when to reinstate the doxxed accounts.

 

He then said he had offered too many options on the poll and would redo it, after results showed that some 43% voted for reinstating the accounts "now" - the largest share for any option.

 

'QUESTIONABLE AND UNFORTUNATE'

Among the journalist accounts suspended on Thursday was that of Washington Post reporter Drew Harwell (@drewharwell), who wrote on social media platform Mastodon that he had recently written about Musk and posted links to "publicly available, legally acquired data."

Twitter also suspended the official account of Mastodon (@joinmastodon), which has emerged as an alternative to Twitter. Mastodon could not immediately be reached for comment.

Sally Buzbee, the Post's executive editor, said Harwell's suspension undermined Musk's claims that he intended to run Twitter as a platform dedicated to free speech.

Harwell, however, was able to speak on a Twitter spaces conversation with fellow journalists late on Thursday evening, a chat that Musk himself briefly dropped in on.

"You dox, you get suspended. End of story," Musk said on the chat as Harwell rejected the assertion that he had exposed Musk's real-time location, saying he had simply posted about @elonjet.

The accounts of Times reporter Ryan Mac (@rmac18), CNN reporter Donie O'Sullivan (@donie), and Mashable reporter Matt Binder @MattBinder were also suspended, as was that of independent journalist Aaron Rupar (@atrupar), who covers U.S. policy and politics.

Mac recently posted a number of Twitter threads on the @elonjet suspension and interviewed Jack Sweeney, the 20-year-old operator of the account.

A spokesperson for The New York Times called the suspensions "questionable and unfortunate. Neither The Times nor Ryan have received any explanation about why this occurred. We hope that all of the journalists' accounts are reinstated and that Twitter provides a satisfying explanation for this action."

CNN said it had asked Twitter for an explanation on the suspensions and would reevaluate its relationship with the platform based on that response.

 

=> Rules at twitter now unclear and seem to be sort of on kindergarten basis...

 

 

Last note:

Oh, 7heaven, Musk is not taking commercial jets that are environmentally friendlier but private jets???

 

 

 

 

 

Some weird member recently posted something about cancel culture...

 

Above seems to fit perfectly into cancel culture....

 

 

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[sgmaven]

5 hours ago, 7heaven said:

Err…last I heard if one does not take measurements or monitor anything will not give assurance that whatever you do is giving its intended effect. It’s like feeding a patient down with fever medicine but you don’t measure his temperature periodically. So you just feed the patient medicine until he overdoses. 😂 

 

I can only take it that @sgmaven does not have any scientific background, but pretends that he does in his desperate attempt to downplay Elon Musk’s contribution to saving the world. 

It gets pathetic when @7heavenhas such a lack of creativity in his prose that he has to continually imitate whatever statements I make...🙄

 

@7heavenwas the one who claimed "climate-saving" action, but climate monitoring does not do any saving, except for showing the symptoms. Using your fever analogy, without any medicine, how would your thermometer or temperature measurement even help the fever patient? By telling him that he has a fever?

 

You don't need to hide your lack of scientific background, for it is plain for all to see. I on the other hand, have both an educational and vocational background rooted in science and engineering.

[singalion]

11 hours ago, sgmaven said:

Errr... Last I heard, "monitoring weather patterns" has absolutely no impact on the weather, just like watching a movie does not influence the performance of the actor in it. 🙄 Taking measurements of atmospheric composition, etc. also does not do anything for the climate, except to show how much further the equilibrium of the atmosphere has been disturbed.

 

I can only take it that @7heavendoes not have a scientific background, and can only try to speculate why his "God", Elon Musk, is "saving the world".

 

7heaven has no background of anything at all.

 

What he does is simply copying some pieces he finds on social media or fringe extremist media and plasters it into BW and then adds some pro Republican or anti Democratic propaganda on top of the copied post.

 

I wouldn't even bet a dime whether 7heaven has any degree or anything similar because most of what he talks about seem at a very superficial manner... the sort of, I got google, I am smart and intelligent....you can recognise from certain people... 🙂

 

 

Edited December 16, 2022 by singalion

[singalion]

4 minutes ago, sgmaven said:

It gets pathetic when @7heavenhas such a lack of creativity in his prose that he has to continually imitate whatever statements I make...🙄

 

 

Good point!

 

that is why I assume, actually behind the 7heaven member account is no other than that irritating Guest Guest troll,

because he does exactly the same uncreative re-writing of your own post by changing some words (that what sgmaven calls "imitating of statement".

 

Also, good that other Member here identified that 7heaven is totally uncreative, unintelligent and lacking logic in his points.

 

 

[Guest Guest]

 

8 minutes ago, sgmaven said:

@7heavenwas the one who claimed "climate-saving" action, but climate monitoring does not do any saving, except for showing the symptoms. Using your fever analogy, without any medicine, how would your thermometer or temperature measurement even help the fever patient? By telling him that he has a fever?

 

You don't need to hide your lack of scientific background, for it is plain for all to see. I on the other hand, have both an educational and vocational background rooted in science and engineering.

 

 

5 minutes ago, singalion said:

 

7heaven has no background of anything at all.

 

What he does is simply copying some pieces he finds on social media or fringe extremist media and plasters it into BW and then adds some pro Republican or anti Democratic propaganda on top of the copied post.

 

I wouldn't even bet a dime whether 7heaven has any degree or anything similar because most of what he talks about seem at a very superficial manner... the sort of, I got google, I am smart and intelligent.... 🙂

 

Oh, here we have two technological idiotic cavemen who can openly come to BW and make claims that "climate monitoring does not do any saving". Any type of PhD title bestowed on any of you can only be referring to Permanent HEAD Damage, yeah? No wonder even the fake PhDs can come into this country and pretend to know it all. 

 

https://www.dw.com/en/a-new-generation-of-hyper-satellites-to-prevent-a-climate-catastrophe/a-51535184

 

Fighting the climate crisis with satellites

"The new satellite captures much more than what is visible to the naked eye. Satellite imagery also contains physical evidence about minerals and other materials on the surface, and enables scientists to draw conclusions about any potential change that may have occurred.

 

For example, if the ocean's surface contains microplastics, a hyperspectral satellite can detect evidence of existing polymer molecules by capturing the data contained in the reflected sunlight."

 

"EnMap creators say they aim to provide continuous data that could help farmers prevent crop failures by predicting nutrient deficiency, pest infestations, and water shortages. The satellite data could also be used by decision makers, like EU institutions, to create better policies for agricultural subsidies, as it would be possible to monitor farmers' declarations on food production."

 

"It's also important to protect the world's forests, since they are capable of absorbing 2.6 billion tons of CO2, or around one third of all carbon emissions each year.

 

These new satellites could identify whether the management of forests is done in a sustainable way by monitoring deforestation. In comparison to the current measurement tools that use the Moisture Stress Index (DRMSI), the new satellite could also detect early signs of drought, map tree species, and the structure of forests.

Read more:  Can carbon trading cut EU emissions to net zero?

 

Rising sea levels are increasingly affecting coastlines, as well as both coastal and inland water quality. If the melting continues, there could be a 30-60 cm rise in sea levels by 2100. The planned satellite mission will monitor the erosion of fragile coastlines, as well as detect pollution and particles in water, from organic matter to plankton and dominant algae species. 

 

Managing urban areas, especially those increasingly affected by climate change catastrophes, is also a top priority. It's predicted that by 2050, almost 70% of the global population will be living in cities. The new satellite could be used to plan sustainable cities by measuring the extent to which areas are covered in vegetation, as opposed to concrete and buildings."

 

and before some know-nothing wants to pick holes in the article, let it be declared that this article also stated the following: ""Indeed there's a pollution effect by satellite launches, but the effect is so small that it does not contribute significantly. If we look at the global scale, there is absolutely not a measurable change in the atmosphere from rockets," Schalinski told DW."

 

"Some of these areas, like wetlands are a crucial part of our natural environment. They mitigate sea level rise, serve as a carbon sink, provide a habitat for wildlife, filter pollutants, and serve as fertile farm land for agriculture.

 

The GEO Toolbox can track the extent and status of wetlands, water surface dynamics and quality.

 

Wetlands serve as a carbon sink, filter pollution, and support fertile farm land. There's a booming market of similar software applications to help governments track and report their progress when it comes to achieving the United Nations' sustainable development goals. But the political will to actually use such technology is still lacking."

 

没知识 also must have 常识； 没常识 also must 懂得看电视!! STUUUUUPID! 

[singalion]

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[sgmaven]

1 minute ago, Guest Guest said:

 

 

 

 

Oh, here we have two technological idiotic cavemen who can openly come to BW and make claims that "climate monitoring does not do any saving". Any type of PhD title bestowed on any of you can only be referring to Permanent HEAD Damage, yeah? No wonder even the fake PhDs can come into this country and pretend to know it all. 

 

https://www.dw.com/en/a-new-generation-of-hyper-satellites-to-prevent-a-climate-catastrophe/a-51535184

 

Fighting the climate crisis with satellites

"The new satellite captures much more than what is visible to the naked eye. Satellite imagery also contains physical evidence about minerals and other materials on the surface, and enables scientists to draw conclusions about any potential change that may have occurred.

 

For example, if the ocean's surface contains microplastics, a hyperspectral satellite can detect evidence of existing polymer molecules by capturing the data contained in the reflected sunlight."

 

"EnMap creators say they aim to provide continuous data that could help farmers prevent crop failures by predicting nutrient deficiency, pest infestations, and water shortages. The satellite data could also be used by decision makers, like EU institutions, to create better policies for agricultural subsidies, as it would be possible to monitor farmers' declarations on food production."

 

"It's also important to protect the world's forests, since they are capable of absorbing 2.6 billion tons of CO2, or around one third of all carbon emissions each year.

 

These new satellites could identify whether the management of forests is done in a sustainable way by monitoring deforestation. In comparison to the current measurement tools that use the Moisture Stress Index (DRMSI), the new satellite could also detect early signs of drought, map tree species, and the structure of forests.

Read more:  Can carbon trading cut EU emissions to net zero?

 

Rising sea levels are increasingly affecting coastlines, as well as both coastal and inland water quality. If the melting continues, there could be a 30-60 cm rise in sea levels by 2100. The planned satellite mission will monitor the erosion of fragile coastlines, as well as detect pollution and particles in water, from organic matter to plankton and dominant algae species. 

 

Managing urban areas, especially those increasingly affected by climate change catastrophes, is also a top priority. It's predicted that by 2050, almost 70% of the global population will be living in cities. The new satellite could be used to plan sustainable cities by measuring the extent to which areas are covered in vegetation, as opposed to concrete and buildings."

 

and before some know-nothing wants to pick holes in the article, let it be declared that this article also stated the following: ""Indeed there's a pollution effect by satellite launches, but the effect is so small that it does not contribute significantly. If we look at the global scale, there is absolutely not a measurable change in the atmosphere from rockets," Schalinski told DW."

 

"Some of these areas, like wetlands are a crucial part of our natural environment. They mitigate sea level rise, serve as a carbon sink, provide a habitat for wildlife, filter pollutants, and serve as fertile farm land for agriculture.

 

The GEO Toolbox can track the extent and status of wetlands, water surface dynamics and quality.

 

Wetlands serve as a carbon sink, filter pollution, and support fertile farm land. There's a booming market of similar software applications to help governments track and report their progress when it comes to achieving the United Nations' sustainable development goals. But the political will to actually use such technology is still lacking."

 

没知识 also must have 常识； 没常识 also must 懂得看电视!! STUUUUUPID! 

My dear Guest Guest... Monitoring something, while providing data, does not actually solve the inherent problem. Just like how temperature measurement does not help a fever, unless you are providing other forms of medicines or therapeutics to deal with the infection causing the fever.

 

You cut-and-paste an article talking about how monitoring the impacts of climate change help to "fight climate change". Unfortunately, you don't seem to understand that DW only says that all the satellite imaging is for data management and analysis, and not for concrete mitigation.

[singalion]

Absolute laughter... I guess someone didn't understand the actual point here...

 

Starting point:

 

14 hours ago, 7heaven said:

Ironically advancing space technology may help climate change by putting advance tools in space to monitor weather patterns, take measurements of the atmosphere composition etc

 

Reply:

 

12 hours ago, sgmaven said:

"monitoring weather patterns" has absolutely no impact on the weather, just like watching a movie does not influence the performance of the actor in it. 🙄 Taking measurements of atmospheric composition, etc. also does not do anything for the climate, except to show how much further the equilibrium of the atmosphere has been disturbed.

 

Reaction:

 

6 hours ago, 7heaven said:

if one does not take measurements or monitor anything will not give assurance that whatever you do is giving its intended effect. It’s like feeding a patient down with fever medicine but you don’t measure his temperature periodically. So you just feed the patient medicine until he overdoses.

 

Answer:

 

43 minutes ago, sgmaven said:

 

@7heavenwas the one who claimed "climate-saving" action, but climate monitoring does not do any saving, except for showing the symptoms. Using your fever analogy, without any medicine, how would your thermometer or temperature measurement even help the fever patient? By telling him that he has a fever?

 

You don't need to hide your lack of scientific background, for it is plain for all to see.

 

Now someone  wrote this desperately trying to prove that "Monitoring satellites have an impact on climate change"

 

Quote:

"Satellite imagery also contains physical evidence about minerals and other materials on the surface, and enables scientists to draw conclusions about any potential change that may have occurred.For example, if the ocean's surface contains microplastics, a hyperspectral satellite can detect evidence of existing polymer molecules by capturing the data contained in the reflected sunlight."

Quote end:

 

Hm, I guess someone didn't think through the point ...😂

 

But having used some intelligence or the brain cells that person had found out (what I generally doubt he could) that the satellite itself has no impact on the climate. It can only be a different behavioural pattern such as cutting less trees, planting more trees, emitting less microplastics into the oceans, using less fossil fuel, reducing any substances that pollute, heat the oceans or burn soil etc etc. The direct impact on climate change is only done by factors reducing the pollution, immissions or environmental damage.

=> Only those behaviours have an impact on climate change but not the monitoring satellite itself.

 

 

That Guest (next to 7heaven, if they aren't actually the same) really evidenced his stupidity.... Kudos!

 

 

 

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[Guest Guest]

 

33 minutes ago, singalion said:

Absolute laughter... I guess someone didn't understand the actual point here...

 

Starting point:

 

 

Reply:

 

 

Reaction:

 

 

Answer:

 

 

Now someone  wrote this desperately trying to prove that "Monitoring satellites have an impact on climate change"

 

Quote:

"Satellite imagery also contains physical evidence about minerals and other materials on the surface, and enables scientists to draw conclusions about any potential change that may have occurred.For example, if the ocean's surface contains microplastics, a hyperspectral satellite can detect evidence of existing polymer molecules by capturing the data contained in the reflected sunlight."

Quote end:

 

Hm, I guess someone didn't think through the point ...😂

 

But having used some intelligence or the brain cells that person had found out (what I generally doubt he could) that the satellite itself has no impact on the climate. It can only be a different behavioural pattern such as cutting less trees, planting more trees, emitting less microplastics into the oceans, using less fossil fuel, reducing any substances that pollute, heat the oceans or burn soil etc etc. The direct impact on climate change is only done by factors reducing the pollution, immissions or environmental damage.

=> Only those behaviours have an impact on climate change but not the monitoring satellite itself.

 

 

That Guest (next to 7heaven, if they aren't actually the same) really evidenced his stupidity.... Kudos!

 

 

 

 

 

"the satellite itself has no impact on the climate. It can only be a different behavioural pattern such as cutting less trees, planting more trees, emitting less microplastics into the oceans, using less fossil fuel, reducing any substances that pollute, heat the oceans or burn soil etc etc."??? 

 

This is really stupidity at the maximum. If not for measurements, would we even know we are at a critical level for climate change now? No, the entire world will still be coasting along a hotter and hotter earth. 

 

Without measurements, how would you know if your tiny insect different behavioural pattern contributions will even amount to anything? Just because someone having a fever took a couple of aspirin does not mean the fever will definitely subside! Just because you started replacing your plastic bags with paper ones doesn't mean the world is going to turn cooler!  

This is COMMON SENSE! 

 

http://www.acmentoring.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/William-Thomson-If-you-cant-measure-it-300x168.jpeg

 

Yes, we all know you live in some universe where you think anything and everything you say are the words of God, no matter how dumb and stupid you are. But here, on this planet and in this reality, facts and numbers speak louder than your bullshit

[Guest Guest]

1 hour ago, sgmaven said:

My dear Guest Guest... Monitoring something, while providing data, does not actually solve the inherent problem. Just like how temperature measurement does not help a fever, unless you are providing other forms of medicines or therapeutics to deal with the infection causing the fever.

 

You cut-and-paste an article talking about how monitoring the impacts of climate change help to "fight climate change". Unfortunately, you don't seem to understand that DW only says that all the satellite imaging is for data management and analysis, and not for concrete mitigation.

 

"temperature measurement does not help a fever, unless you are providing other forms of medicines or therapeutics to deal with the infection causing the fever"? 

 

So without measurements, how do you even know what medicines or therapeutics to deal with the infection causing the fever?

 

Without measurements, do you just go ahead and feed the feverish patient with an overdose of medicines or therapeutics to deal with the infection causing the fever? 

 

Or perhaps without even taking proper measurements , you simply stop treating him with whatever medicines or therapeutics to deal with the infection causing the fever after a fixed period of time? 

 

 

 

[sgmaven]

4 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

 

"temperature measurement does not help a fever, unless you are providing other forms of medicines or therapeutics to deal with the infection causing the fever"? 

 

So without measurements, how do you even know what medicines or therapeutics to deal with the infection causing the fever?

 

Without measurements, do you just go ahead and feed the feverish patient with an overdose of medicines or therapeutics to deal with the infection causing the fever? 

 

Or perhaps without even taking proper measurements , you simply stop treating him with whatever medicines or therapeutics to deal with the infection causing the fever after a fixed period of time? 

 

 

 

Hahaha! And you have to quote an Economist about Science...

 

I never said that measurement is not important, but that it is does not solve the inherent problem. It just highlights how good or bad the situation/state is. You can continue counting your beans... I won't stop you. You can also count the number of people who died from COVID-19, but it will not help any of them.

[Guest Guest]

32 minutes ago, sgmaven said:

Hahaha! And you have to quote an Economist about Science...

 

I never said that measurement is not important, but that it is does not solve the inherent problem. It just highlights how good or bad the situation/state is. You can continue counting your beans... I won't stop you. You can also count the number of people who died from COVID-19, but it will not help any of them.

 

Economist? 

 

Brynjolfsson is the founder of two companies and has been awarded five U.S. patents. Along with Andrew McAfee, he was awarded the top prize in the Digital Thinkers category at the Thinkers 50 Gala on November 9, 2015. His research at MIT examines the effects of information technologies on business strategy, productivity and performance, digital commerce, and intangible ASSETS. 

 

WHAT ECONOMIST? 

 

YOU REALLY DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE HECK YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, DO YOU? Do you really have Permanent Head Damage? 

 

But at least you now know how to sound a retreat by claiming that you "never said that measurement is not important" fro. If your previous statement of "monitoring weather patterns" has absolutely no impact on the weather". 

 

Actually I could have ignored your posts in this thread completely since I could not care much for Twitter and Elon Musk. But looking at how you wanted to align yourself with singalion everywhere, I just couldn't help to step in to bash his allies too. 

[sgmaven]

9 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

 

Economist? 

 

Brynjolfsson is the founder of two companies and has been awarded five U.S. patents. Along with Andrew McAfee, he was awarded the top prize in the Digital Thinkers category at the Thinkers 50 Gala on November 9, 2015. His research at MIT examines the effects of information technologies on business strategy, productivity and performance, digital commerce, and intangible ASSETS. 

 

WHAT ECONOMIST? 

 

YOU REALLY DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE HECK YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, DO YOU? Do you really have Permanent Head Damage? 

 

But at least you now know how to sound a retreat by claiming that you "never said that measurement is not important" fro. If your previous statement of "monitoring weather patterns" has absolutely no impact on the weather". 

 

Actually I could have ignored your posts in this thread completely since I could not care much for Twitter and Elon Musk. But looking at how you wanted to align yourself with singalion everywhere, I just couldn't help to step in to bash his allies too. 

Go read what he did his PhD in... Managerial Economics...

[sgmaven]

11 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

Along with Andrew McAfee, he was awarded the top prize in the Digital Thinkers category at the Thinkers 50 Gala on November 9, 2015. His research at MIT examines the effects of information technologies on business strategy, productivity and performance, digital commerce, and intangible ASSETS.

You obviously don't know what the difference between basic physical sciences (those subjects that really can solve climate change issues), and those that are social and economic sciences (management and strategy)... If they were one and the same, then, I think there wouldn't be a Nobel Prize for Economics at all... It would be in Chemistry or Physics or Medicine...

[sgmaven]

And don't tell me that management and strategy is a hard physical science. Even one of the most mathematical parts of strategy, game theory, is based on the assumption that people make rational. calculated decisions based on individual benefit. However, more recently. Economists have realised that this assumption does not necessarily hold true, giving birth to Behavioural Economics, and the irrationality of decision-making.

[Steve5380]

7 hours ago, sgmaven said:

 

@7heavenwas the one who claimed "climate-saving" action, but climate monitoring does not do any saving, except for showing the symptoms. Using your fever analogy, without any medicine, how would your thermometer or temperature measurement even help the fever patient? By telling him that he has a fever?

 

You don't need to hide your lack of scientific background, for it is plain for all to see. I on the other hand, have both an educational and vocational background rooted in science and engineering.

 

7 hours ago, singalion said:

 

7heaven has no background of anything at all.

 

What he does is simply copying some pieces he finds on social media or fringe extremist media and plasters it into BW and then adds some pro Republican or anti Democratic propaganda on top of the copied post.

 

I wouldn't even bet a dime whether 7heaven has any degree or anything similar because most of what he talks about seem at a very superficial manner... the sort of, I got google, I am smart and intelligent....you can recognise from certain people... 🙂

 

 

 

This is why I think that we should tolerate this member / guest to keep posting as he does, and judge his posts with humor. In this way we do him a favor,  because in his ignorance and teasing he reads what we post,  and in the process he may learn something and help his ignorance.

[Guest Guest]

51 minutes ago, sgmaven said:

Go read what he did his PhD in... Managerial Economics...

 

47 minutes ago, sgmaven said:

You obviously don't know what the difference between basic physical sciences (those subjects that really can solve climate change issues), and those that are social and economic sciences (management and strategy)... If they were one and the same, then, I think there wouldn't be a Nobel Prize for Economics at all... It would be in Chemistry or Physics or Medicine...

 

Oh! So he is forever named an ECONOMIST because he did a PhD in MANAGERIAL ECONOMICS? Managerial Economics is a branch of study which applies microeconomic analysis to decision methods of businesses or other management units to assist managers to make a wide array of multifaceted decisions.

 

So are all business managers also ECONOMISTS now? 

 

You really don't know what you are talking about, do you? Go get your Permanent Head Damage relooked again. 

 

 

49 minutes ago, sgmaven said:

And don't tell me that management and strategy is a hard physical science. Even one of the most mathematical parts of strategy, game theory, is based on the assumption that people make rational. calculated decisions based on individual benefit. However, more recently. Economists have realised that this assumption does not necessarily hold true, giving birth to Behavioural Economics, and the irrationality of decision-making.

 

It seems that you are picking up on singalion diversion "strategy" of going off topic while you lose your arguments and need to retreat from what you previously claimed "monitoring weather patterns" has absolutely no impact on the weather". 

 

Go better better allies to learn from, OK? If you want to retreat, go ahead and fade away into the sunset quietly. Nobody will go after a dog retreating with his tail tucked between his legs whimpering away. 

 

 

[sgmaven]

50 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

Oh! So he is forever named an ECONOMIST because he did a PhD in MANAGERIAL ECONOMICS? Managerial Economics is a branch of study which applies microeconomic analysis to decision methods of businesses or other management units to assist managers to make a wide array of multifaceted decisions.

 

So are all business managers also ECONOMISTS now?

If he isn't an Economist, then what is he? A Physicist? A Chemist? A Medical Researcher/Biologist?

 

You admit that he is a "business manager", so is that a Scientist of some sort? Do "business managers" come up with technical solutions to solve climate change? Or do they just implement other Scientists' technical solutions, because it is the rational thing to do in terms of strategy and economics?

[singalion]

But monitoring weather patterns has no impact on the weather. 

 

You don't need a scientist to know this is correct.

 

a)

If from monitoring weather patterns it is known that the past 3 days there was sunshine at 8am and rainfall for 1 hour at 3pm, would this impact the weather on the 4th or 5th day? 

 

It could rain at 2am and have sunshine at 3pm in the 4th day...

 

But that outcome didn't result from the monitoring...

 

The monitoring just serves to collect data, that's it. 

 

b)

 

Erik Brynjolfsson received a Ph.D. in Managerial Economics in 1991 

 

Managerial economics is a branch of economics involving the application of economic methods in the managerial decision-making process.^[1] Economics is the study of the production, distribution and consumption of goods and services. Managerial economics involves the use of economic theories and principles to make decisions regarding the allocation of scarce resources.

 

 

Edited December 16, 2022 by singalion

[singalion]

It should be clear for all here who is wrong!

[singalion]

Back on Musk n Twitter...

 

 

Oh, oh and oh, now Musk is getting warnings from Europe...

 

EU threatens Elon Musk with sanctions after Twitter’s suspension of journalists

PUBLISHED FRI, DEC 16 2022

 

 

• Vera Jourova, the European Commission’s vice president for values and transparency, said news of the “arbitrary suspension of journalists on Twitter is worrying.”
• Twitter abruptly suspended several high-profile journalists who cover him, including CNN correspondent Donie O’Sullivan and The New York Times reporter Ryan Mac.
• Jourova said EU law “requires respect of media freedom and fundamental rights,” adding: “There are red lines. And sanctions, soon.”

 

The European Union on Friday threatened tech billionaire Elon Musk with sanctions after Twitter removed several journalists that report on him and the social media company.

Vera Jourova, the European Commission’s vice president for values and transparency, said in a tweet that news of the “arbitrary suspension of journalists on Twitter is worrying.”

 

“EU’s Digital Services Act requires respect of media freedom and fundamental rights,” said Jourova. “This is reinforced under our #MediaFreedomAct. @elonmusk should be aware of that.”

 

Under the EU’s Digital Services Act, companies can be fined up to 6% of their global annual revenues for breaches.

 

 

=> Now, the Europeans have to remind Americans what "Free Speech" is about. This is hilarious!

 

 

[7heaven]

9 hours ago, sgmaven said:

It gets pathetic when @7heavenhas such a lack of creativity in his prose that he has to continually imitate whatever statements I make...🙄

 

@7heavenwas the one who claimed "climate-saving" action, but climate monitoring does not do any saving, except for showing the symptoms. Using your fever analogy, without any medicine, how would your thermometer or temperature measurement even help the fever patient? By telling him that he has a fever?

 

You don't need to hide your lack of scientific background, for it is plain for all to see. I on the other hand, have both an educational and vocational background rooted in science and engineering.

It gets pathetic and immature when @sgmavencannot tolerate similar writing style. 
 

Nobody said that fever medication is not important just as addressing climate change is important. The associated  technology to fight fever and climate change are equally important. With more advanced measurement equipment, minute readings previously unable to be picked up will be picked up sensitive detectors. 

An eg is the Electron microscope which is most helpful in revolutionising detection and measurement. It does not cure diseases but allow doctors to investigate biopsy samples more thoroughly. 

Despite your claim of possessing educational and vocational background rooted in science and engineering, your responses here indicate you have not understood what you learned or unable to apply what you learned. 

[7heaven]

9 hours ago, singalion said:

 

7heaven has no background of anything at all.

 

What he does is simply copying some pieces he finds on social media or fringe extremist media and plasters it into BW and then adds some pro Republican or anti Democratic propaganda on top of the copied post.

 

I wouldn't even bet a dime whether 7heaven has any degree or anything similar because most of what he talks about seem at a very superficial manner... the sort of, I got google, I am smart and intelligent....you can recognise from certain people... 🙂

 

 

Such a response here is the reason why kids should pay attention in school and stay in school for at least 12years. 😂 

[singalion]

1 minute ago, 7heaven said:

It gets pathetic and immature when @sgmavencannot tolerate similar writing style. 
 

Nobody said that fever medication is not important just as addressing climate change is important. The associated  technology to fight fever and climate change are equally important. With more advanced measurement equipment, minute readings previously unable to be picked up will be picked up sensitive detectors. 

An eg is the Electron microscope which is most helpful in revolutionising detection and measurement. It does not cure diseases but allow doctors to investigate biopsy samples more thoroughly. 

Despite your claim of possessing educational and vocational background rooted in science and engineering, your responses here indicate you have not understood what you learned or unable to apply what you learned. 

 

 

What is pathetic are your failed attempts 7heaven to lounge some face saving statements in above post!...

 

And when it comes to you 7heaven, 7 Members and 5 guests branded you 7heaven as having no clue... (on various subjects). 

 

I m sure you don't want me to collate that here once again...

 

Satellites surely don't have any impact on climate change, while scientific results gained from satellite data might have. 

 

But probably that's too difficult for you 7heaven to understand...

 

 

[7heaven]

1 hour ago, singalion said:

 

 

What is pathetic are your failed attempts 7heaven to lounge some face saving statements in above post!...

 

And when it comes to you 7heaven, 7 Members and 5 guests branded you 7heaven as having no clue... (on various subjects). 

 

I m sure you don't want me to collate that here once again...

 

Satellites surely don't have any impact on climate change, while scientific results gained from satellite data might have. 

 

But probably that's too difficult for you 7heaven to understand...

 

 

Lol. Satellites play an important role in climate change. Without satellites, how do you get satellite data? 😂 

 

With each post you make, you just reveal to us how much or how little you know. Lol. 

[Steve5380]

6 hours ago, 7heaven said:

Lol. Satellites play an important role in climate change. Without satellites, how do you get satellite data? 😂 

 

 

At last you wrote a statement that makes sense.  Congratulations!

 

"Without XXXXX,  how do you get XXXXX data? "   This statement is universal, for any XXXXX, including my old measuring tape.

 

Satellites play an important role in today's life,  besides climate change.  Weather forecasting is steadily improving, and this is a big money and lives saver.   But... do not worry!   There are already plenty of weather satellites up there, and have been there for some time now.

 

[Guest Guest]

 

10 hours ago, singalion said:

Satellites surely don't have any impact on climate change,

 

 

 

10 hours ago, singalion said:

.... while scientific results gained from satellite data might have. 

 

 

 

But probably that's too difficult for singalion to understand...

[Guest Guest]

11 hours ago, sgmaven said:

If he isn't an Economist, then what is he? A Physicist? A Chemist? A Medical Researcher/Biologist?

 

You admit that he is a "business manager", so is that a Scientist of some sort? Do "business managers" come up with technical solutions to solve climate change? Or do they just implement other Scientists' technical solutions, because it is the rational thing to do in terms of strategy and economics?

 

 

As usual, the diversion and digression tactic while you retreat away from your statement ""monitoring weather patterns" has absolutely no impact on the weather". 

 

Did anyone admit that he is a "business manager"? No. 

 

Are you going to claim that someone said "business managers" come up with technical solutions to solve climate change to continue with your diversion and digression tactic?

 

And all these because this smart guy was quoted saying .. 

 

 

And even now, you still label him as an Economist simply because his PhD was in Managerial Economics and he doesn't fit into the mold of a Physicist, a Chemist, a Medical Researcher/Biologist. 

 

 

 

[7heaven]

13 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

 

At last you wrote a statement that makes sense.  Congratulations!

 

"Without XXXXX,  how do you get XXXXX data? "   This statement is universal, for any XXXXX, including my old measuring tape.

 

Satellites play an important role in today's life,  besides climate change.  Weather forecasting is steadily improving, and this is a big money and lives saver.   But... do not worry!   There are already plenty of weather satellites up there, and have been there for some time now.

 

At last you understood something basic and easy! Congratulations! 
 

However a certain member seems to have difficulty grasping such basic concepts. He thinks XXXXX data can be produced without XXXXX. Lol. 
 

21 hours ago, singalion said:

Satellites surely don't have any impact on climate change, while scientific results gained from satellite data might have. 

We are glad Elon Musk is working hard on his company SpaceX to advance rocket and satellite technologies that may be helpful in tackling climate change. 

[sgmaven]

11 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

And all these because this smart guy was quoted saying .. 

 

 

And even now, you still label him as an Economist simply because his PhD was in Managerial Economics and he doesn't fit into the mold of a Physicist, a Chemist, a Medical Researcher/Biologist.

I never said that Brynojolfsson is not a smart guy, just that he is not a scientist. A Social Scientist, perhaps, but not a Physical Scientist for sure. I find it amusing that people fail to see the difference between subject of specialisation, like management science and strategy and that of the physical or biological sciences. I also like to point to where Brynojolfsson is working in, which is part of Standord's Department of Economics and the Graduate School of Business. While I am not saying that Economics is not important in the world, it is far from being a Physical or Biological Science.

[Steve5380]

1 hour ago, 7heaven said:

At last you understood something basic and easy! Congratulations! 
 

However a certain member seems to have difficulty grasping such basic concepts. He thinks XXXXX data can be produced without XXXXX. Lol. 
 

 

Perhaps the certain member is right.  It is not uncommon that a XXXXX data can be obtained with a YYYYY.   For example, the data of a certain newspaper can also be obtained at the newspaper website with a computer.

 

1 hour ago, 7heaven said:

We are glad Elon Musk is working hard on his company SpaceX to advance rocket and satellite technologies that may be helpful in tackling climate change. 

 

 

What SpaceX achieves in rocket and satellite technology is surely no different from what other companies achieve with the same budget.  So it is questionable the help Musk provides to climate change.  His rockets burn fuels that make the climate worse. 

 

Compared to Musk actions,  if nuclear fusion can become a practical source of energy in several decades,  this will be a win for society, and the SpaceX rockets will have to make money with space tourism.

[Guest Guest]

39 minutes ago, sgmaven said:

I never said that Brynojolfsson is not a smart guy, just that he is not a scientist. A Social Scientist, perhaps, but not a Physical Scientist for sure. I find it amusing that people fail to see the difference between subject of specialisation, like management science and strategy and that of the physical or biological sciences. I also like to point to where Brynojolfsson is working in, which is part of Standord's Department of Economics and the Graduate School of Business. While I am not saying that Economics is not important in the world, it is far from being a Physical or Biological Science.

 

Who mentioned anything about you saying "Brynojolfsson is not a smart guy" now? Is this another one of your attempts to divert and digress again?

 

So? Are you now saying that only a Physical Scientist is qualified enough to make such intelligent quotes like the one below? People far from the fields of Physical or Biological Science, and from other specializations, like management science and strategy, and people from Stanford's Department of Economics and the Graduate School of Business are not qualified to do say the following? 

 

 

 

On 12/16/2022 at 9:08 PM, sgmaven said:

Hahaha! And you have to quote an Economist about Science...

 

If not, then why do you have to laugh at an Economist (not that he is one) quoting about Science? 

[7heaven]

2 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

 

Perhaps the certain member is right.  It is not uncommon that a XXXXX data can be obtained with a YYYYY.   For example, the data of a certain newspaper can also be obtained at the newspaper website with a computer.

 

 

What SpaceX achieves in rocket and satellite technology is surely no different from what other companies achieve with the same budget.  So it is questionable the help Musk provides to climate change.  His rockets burn fuels that make the climate worse. 

 

Compared to Musk actions,  if nuclear fusion can become a practical source of energy in several decades,  this will be a win for society, and the SpaceX rockets will have to make money with space tourism.

You just contradicted yourself; you did not mention XXXXX data can be obtained from elsewhere besides XXXXX. 
 

17 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

"Without XXXXX,  how do you get XXXXX data? "   This statement is universal, for any XXXXX, including my old measuring tape.

Next , you said this: For example, the data of a certain newspaper can also be obtained at the newspaper website with a computer. Your eg confirms that the newspaper data still comes down the the source which is the newspaper, which is XXXXX data comes from XXXXX (where XXXXX is newspaper). Lol. The website and computer are merely tools to allow you to humanly access the data. Behind the website is the server and database which stores the newspaper data. The computer allows humans to read the data. Without the newspaper, what data gets written in the database? Lol. 
 

In your shoddy effort to save the face or dignity of a certain member, you just embarrassed yourself. 
 

Do you know what type of fuel do rockets consume? Do read them up. Lol. 
 

What happens to the nuclear waste generated by the nuclear fusion and the reactors? Do they not pollute the environment? 

Edited December 17, 2022 by 7heaven
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[Steve5380]

1 hour ago, 7heaven said:

You just contradicted yourself; you did not mention XXXXX data can be obtained from elsewhere besides XXXXX. 

Next , you said this: For example, the data of a certain newspaper can also be obtained at the newspaper website with a computer. Your eg confirms that the newspaper data still comes down the the source which is the newspaper, which is XXXXX data comes from XXXXX (where XXXXX is newspaper). Lol. The website and computer are merely tools to allow you to humanly access the data. Behind the website is the server and database which stores the newspaper data. The computer allows humans to read the data. Without the newspaper, what data gets written in the database? Lol. 
 

In your shoddy effort to save the face or dignity of a certain member, you just embarrassed yourself. 
 

Do you know what type of fuel do rockets consume? Do read them up. Lol. 
 

What happens to the nuclear waste generated by the nuclear fusion and the reactors? Do they not pollute the environment? 

 

I didn't contradict with my original statement, that was a question.  What I didn't mention is NOT a contradiction.

 

Your comprehension is so poor....     Without the newspaper in hand (a newspaper is "paper"),  I still can get the news on the website.  No ambiguities here.  

[Why?]

4 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

I still can get the news on the website.  No ambiguities here.  

Regarding the website you constantly visit to feed yourself fake news, I'm pretty concerned about you because of all the comments you make regarding international events, especially when it involves the United States, Taiwan, and Ukraine. Please mention them so that we can all provide you with helpful advise and prevent you from slipping deeper into a trap with no escape. Just so you know, you have our undivided care and attention.

[7heaven]

6 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

 

I didn't contradict with my original statement, that was a question.  What I didn't mention is NOT a contradiction.

 

Your comprehension is so poor....     Without the newspaper in hand (a newspaper is "paper"),  I still can get the news on the website.  No ambiguities here.  

Lol. 
 

The newspaper in hand is a physical version of the newspaper data and the newspaper website is a digital version of the newspaper data. The source is the same. Physical newspaper and newspaper website are merely different platforms to access these newspaper data.
 

This is no different from satellite data whose source is satellites and anybody suggesting satellites are not important or do not have impact on climate change but satellite data has is incredibly dense.  😂 

 

10 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

For example, the data of a certain newspaper can also be obtained at the newspaper website with a computer.

 

[Steve5380]

3 hours ago, Why? said:

Regarding the website you constantly visit to feed yourself fake news, I'm pretty concerned about you because of all the comments you make regarding international events, especially when it involves the United States, Taiwan, and Ukraine. Please mention them so that we can all provide you with helpful advise and prevent you from slipping deeper into a trap with no escape. Just so you know, you have our undivided care and attention.

 

Thank you for your care and attention.   My preferred news website is the New York Times,  nytimes.com.  I also like for brevity to look at the huffington post,  huffpost.com.  Also cnn.com.  

 

It has been years that I am trapped with no escape.  The trap is my happy life with little worries.  I know that it will come to an end one day,  but I don't want to escape from this trap while it lasts. 

[Steve5380]

2 hours ago, 7heaven said:

Lol. 
 

The newspaper in hand is a physical version of the newspaper data and the newspaper website is a digital version of the newspaper data. The source is the same. Physical newspaper and newspaper website are merely different platforms to access these newspaper data.
 

This is no different from satellite data whose source is satellites and anybody suggesting satellites are not important or do not have impact on climate change but satellite data has is incredibly dense.  😂 

 

 

Here is another example for you to challenge your brain in need of exercise:   without a blood-pressure-meter machine, how can you get the blood pressure?   It is simple.  With an inflatable cuff with a pressure gauge and a stethoscope. 

 

Even Elon Musk is smart enough to give you many examples of this that you have such a hard time to comprehend.

.

Edited December 18, 2022 by Steve5380

[singalion]

On 12/17/2022 at 2:24 AM, 7heaven said:

Lol. Satellites play an important role in climate change. Without satellites, how do you get satellite data? 😂 

 

With each post you make, you just reveal to us how much or how little you know. Lol. 

 

You still need some scientists that can analyse the satellite data and get reliable results. Also, you need data to compare and find a scientific pattern. Further, there must have been persuasive results that lead to any findings.

 

To enable this you need government funds (which you 7heaven have heavily objected to on the Biden Build Back Better plans at the US thread) to finance such research and life projects.

 

The second step is then implementation. Only after implementation of scientific findings into the real scenario climate change would be addressed.

 

Those following logic here and rational thought have identified that the satellites itself don't serve anything and don't directly impact climate change.

 

 

Actually, I m not sure why you focus on satellites when so many right wingers claim that there is no climate change at all.

 

The satellites don't serve anything if countering measures are not implemented or in the worse climate change denied or obscured through misrepresentations:

 

 

Substantiation:

Climate Deniers in the 117th Congress

There are 139 elected officials in the 117th Congress [ January 3, 2021 - January 3, 2023] who still deny the scientific consensus of human-caused climate change.

 

According to new analysis from the Center for American Progress, there are still 139 elected officials in the 117th Congress, including 109 representatives and 30 senators, who refuse to acknowledge the scientific evidence of human-caused climate change. All 139 of these climate-denying elected officials have made recent statements casting doubt on the clear, established scientific consensus that the world is warming—and that human activity is to blame. These same 139 climate-denying members have received more than $61 million in lifetime contributions from the coal, oil, and gas industries.

 

These climate deniers comprise 52 percent of House Republicans; 60 percent of Senate Republicans; and more than one-quarter of the total number of elected officials in Congress.

Of note, no currently serving Democratic or independent elected officials have engaged in explicit climate denial by this analysis’ definition.

 

The reality that so many members of Congress and senators—including many newly elected officials—deny basic science leaves the overwhelming majority of the American people who accept reality with a grueling task ahead.

 

 

 

Which means once again 7heaven, your arguing here is contradictory. Instead of trying to make a point take efforts to persuade those Republican people on climate change.

 

 

It is obvious again,. that 7heaven can just post superficial if not superfluous slogans and simply scratch on the surface and are evidencing your intellectual disabilities.

 

 

Edited December 18, 2022 by singalion

[Guest Guest]

3 hours ago, singalion said:

Those following logic here and rational thought have identified that the satellites itself don't serve anything and don't directly impact climate change.

 

OH LOOK, another goal post shifting move now! Take a look at what was initially said by someone else at the beginning below: 

 

On 12/16/2022 at 3:24 AM, sgmaven said:

Errr... Last I heard, "monitoring weather patterns" has absolutely no impact on the weather, just like watching a movie does not influence the performance of the actor in it. 🙄 Taking measurements of atmospheric composition, etc. also does not do anything for the climate, except to show how much further the equilibrium of the atmosphere has been disturbed.

 

I can only take it that @7heavendoes not have a scientific background, and can only try to speculate why his "God", Elon Musk, is "saving the world".

 

So, someone is trying to nudge the goalpost somewhat from the original "absolutely no impact " to "don't directly impact " now, huh? 

[Guest Guest]

5 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

 

Here is another example for you to challenge your brain in need of exercise:   without a blood-pressure-meter machine, how can you get the blood pressure?   It is simple.  With an inflatable cuff with a pressure gauge and a stethoscope. 

 

Even Elon Musk is smart enough to give you many examples of this that you have such a hard time to comprehend.

.

 

So, are you also in DISAGREEMENT with what your own camp was saying about ""monitoring weather patterns" has absolutely no impact on the weather"?? Are you scoring against your own team now? LOL! 

[7heaven]

5 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

 

Here is another example for you to challenge your brain in need of exercise:   without a blood-pressure-meter machine, how can you get the blood pressure?   It is simple.  With an inflatable cuff with a pressure gauge and a stethoscope. 

 

Even Elon Musk is smart enough to give you many examples of this that you have such a hard time to comprehend.

.

The reasons why we started giving examples are due to your desperate attempt to align yourself with a certain member who tried to claim satellites are not important in fighting climate change but satellite data are to the effective more helpful.
 

So here is a challenge to you to ensure there is at least minimal brain activity; how do you obtain satellite data without satellites? 

[7heaven]

3 hours ago, singalion said:

 

You still need some scientists that can analyse the satellite data and get reliable results. Also, you need data to compare and find a scientific pattern. Further, there must have been persuasive results that lead to any findings.

 

To enable this you need government funds (which you 7heaven have heavily objected to on the Biden Build Back Better plans at the US thread) to finance such research and life projects.

 

The second step is then implementation. Only after implementation of scientific findings into the real scenario climate change would be addressed.

 

Those following logic here and rational thought have identified that the satellites itself don't serve anything and don't directly impact climate change.

 

 

Actually, I m not sure why you focus on satellites when so many right wingers claim that there is no climate change at all.

 

The satellites don't serve anything if countering measures are not implemented or in the worse climate change denied or obscured through misrepresentations:

 

 

Substantiation:

Climate Deniers in the 117th Congress

There are 139 elected officials in the 117th Congress [ January 3, 2021 - January 3, 2023] who still deny the scientific consensus of human-caused climate change.

 

According to new analysis from the Center for American Progress, there are still 139 elected officials in the 117th Congress, including 109 representatives and 30 senators, who refuse to acknowledge the scientific evidence of human-caused climate change. All 139 of these climate-denying elected officials have made recent statements casting doubt on the clear, established scientific consensus that the world is warming—and that human activity is to blame. These same 139 climate-denying members have received more than $61 million in lifetime contributions from the coal, oil, and gas industries.

 

These climate deniers comprise 52 percent of House Republicans; 60 percent of Senate Republicans; and more than one-quarter of the total number of elected officials in Congress.

Of note, no currently serving Democratic or independent elected officials have engaged in explicit climate denial by this analysis’ definition.

 

The reality that so many members of Congress and senators—including many newly elected officials—deny basic science leaves the overwhelming majority of the American people who accept reality with a grueling task ahead.

 

 

 

Which means once again 7heaven, your arguing here is contradictory. Instead of trying to make a point take efforts to persuade those Republican people on climate change.

 

 

It is obvious again,. that 7heaven can just post superficial if not superfluous slogans and simply scratch on the surface and are evidencing your intellectual disabilities.

 

 

Yet another diversion and distraction by you from downplaying Musk’s important contribution from his SpaceX company potentially helping in fighting climate change to right wingers claim that there is no climate change at all. Lol. 
 

If there are no advancement in rocket technology that put satellites into orbit or advancement in satellites, will the scientists have any satellite data to begin with for their analysis?  Lol. 
 

Those with logic and basic scientific training will definitely attest to the fact that satellites are critical in solving climate change issues. Without satellites, how do scientists know the ice sheets in the poles are reducing in size or low-lying land masses are being submerged underwater now? 

 

3 hours ago, singalion said:

Those following logic here and rational thought have identified that the satellites itself don't serve anything and don't directly impact climate change.

 

[sgmaven]

1 hour ago, Guest Guest said:

So, someone is trying to nudge the goalpost somewhat from the original "absolutely no impact " to "don't directly impact " now, huh? 

So, pray, tell... How does just monitoring the impact of climate change lead to a reversal of the trend?

[singalion]

2 hours ago, 7heaven said:

Yet another diversion and distraction by you from downplaying Musk’s important contribution from his SpaceX company potentially helping in fighting climate change to right wingers claim that there is no climate change at all. Lol. 
 

If there are no advancement in rocket technology that put satellites into orbit or advancement in satellites, will the scientists have any satellite data to begin with for their analysis?  Lol. 
 

Those with logic and basic scientific training will definitely attest to the fact that satellites are critical in solving climate change issues. Without satellites, how do scientists know the ice sheets in the poles are reducing in size or low-lying land masses are being submerged underwater now? 

 

 

 

Your own post is the distraction.

 

You just don't want to admit that satellites itself don't reduce any global warming or climate change effects.

 

Also I was pointing again to the fact how inconsistent and contradicting you in your reasoning are.

 

On one hand arguing about satellite programs on the other hand supporting climate change denying Republicans!  And having heavily objected the green energy and climate change gamechanger bill Build Back Better bill from Biden.

 

Your reasoning is as slimy as a snake.

 

 

 

[Steve5380]

3 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

 

So, are you also in DISAGREEMENT with what your own camp was saying about ""monitoring weather patterns" has absolutely no impact on the weather"?? Are you scoring against your own team now? LOL! 

 

No, I am in agreement that just monitoring the weather has no impact on the weather.  Monitoring the outskirts of the universe with the James Webb space telescope has no impact on the outskirts of the universe.

 

3 hours ago, 7heaven said:

The reasons why we started giving examples are due to your desperate attempt to align yourself with a certain member who tried to claim satellites are not important in fighting climate change but satellite data are to the effective more helpful.
 

So here is a challenge to you to ensure there is at least minimal brain activity; how do you obtain satellite data without satellites? 

 

It seems that you are shifting beyond the scope of this thread.  Our discussion started with Elon Musk's satellites. And we can obtain satellite data without having Musk's satellites.

[7heaven]

1 hour ago, singalion said:

 

Your own post is the distraction.

 

You just don't want to admit that satellites itself don't reduce any global warming or climate change effects.

 

Also I was pointing again to the fact how inconsistent and contradicting you in your reasoning are.

 

On one hand arguing about satellite programs on the other hand supporting climate change denying Republicans!  And having heavily objected the green energy and climate change gamechanger bill Build Back Better bill from Biden.

 

Your reasoning is as slimy as a snake.

 

 

 

There is nothing to admit because satellites advancement help fight climate change. 
 

As usual, you are distracting and diverting attention away from how Musk’s potential contributions to fight climate change through SpaceX development of rockets and putting satellites into orbit. 
 

Without Satellites, scientists will not have any satellite data to analyse. You just couldn’t stop arguing how your reasoning is illogical that satellites are not important compared to satellites data in fighting climate change. 😂 

[Guest Guest]

 

5 hours ago, sgmaven said:

So, pray, tell... How does just monitoring the impact of climate change lead to a reversal of the trend?

 

Here, you can do an infinite GOTO loop by heading to the answer here and see if it can penetrate into brain after all your Permanent Head Damage: