starting to use estrogen

[btmslut]

medical professionals or transsexuals who have already commenced, hope to hear some comments, though i already know the dangers of self medicating.

 

if you see my posts, im pure btm. femme in bed. in day to day i'm surrounded by family and friends who are against homosexuality, let alone transitioning to another sex. i've compensated by doing a lot of weights and getting thick masculine tattoos, covering half my skin. if you took off my clothes, i have the same physique as mike tyson. short, yet very broad, and a decently flat stomach. above average muscle size. i have an above average cock for a chinese, compared to the many tops i've slept with.

 

i've recently gotten my hands on some estrogen. oestrogel to be exact. i know that generally for MTF, testosterone blockers are used in conjucntion with estrogen. i don't have the t blockers, i read that applying the gel to the scrotum works like a t blocker as well. is that true? i'm currently using half of the plastic "knife' that comes in the pack. am i overdoing it?

 

the reason for this is I want to look a bit more like the person in my head, though it's impossible. i'm thinking if i can get 20% i'll be able to die happy. the additional pluses are it will reduce my sex drive, penis and testicle size (i really want something like 1 inch when hard), so i dont feel so awkward when i wear panties. yes i do, and no, its not a fetish, they're the aunty sort. i want to microdose to get that, plus a little bit of breast growth which i could bind like the "butch" tomboys when in public, and so in private, behind a locked door i can be more to my true self when i look in the mirror. it's not a sexual, perversion thing. just trying to get to be who i feel i should be and get some mental sanity...

Edited February 10, 2025 by btmslut

[Steve5380]

What a screwed-up society!!!   Family and friends, who should provide the best for you,  should not have been in the way for you to be what you want to be! But that is history.  Hopefully now you can find the information you seek from individuals who have experience in what you want to do. 

 

Unless you want to make many babies,  to have reduced sex drive can be advantageous.  This comes from an octogenarian, I am so satisfied to have lost most of my sex drive and can instead concentrate on other things than sex! 

 

Can you accept and be less bothered by the fact of not looking like the person in your head?   Isn't "to look like" something one does for others, for the World?  Can one think "fuck them, I don't care how they see me"?   ( this can also help us when we are old, and don't care to look old, ha ha )   Your mental sanity should take absolute priority over what "others" may think of you.  This is very important for us LGBTs. 

 

I wish you as much success as possible.   

[GachiMuchi]

5 hours ago, btmslut said:

medical professionals or transsexuals who have already commenced, hope to hear some comments, though i already know the dangers of self medicating.

 

if you see my posts, im pure btm. femme in bed. in day to day i'm surrounded by family and friends who are against homosexuality, let alone transitioning to another sex. i've compensated by doing a lot of weights and getting thick masculine tattoos, covering half my skin. if you took off my clothes, i have the same physique as mike tyson. short, yet very broad, and a decently flat stomach. above average muscle size. i have an above average cock for a chinese, compared to the many tops i've slept with.

 

i've recently gotten my hands on some estrogen. oestrogel to be exact. i know that generally for MTF, testosterone blockers are used in conjucntion with estrogen. i don't have the t blockers, i read that applying the gel to the scrotum works like a t blocker as well. is that true? i'm currently using half of the plastic "knife' that comes in the pack. am i overdoing it?

 

the reason for this is I want to look a bit more like the person in my head, though it's impossible. i'm thinking if i can get 20% i'll be able to die happy. the additional pluses are it will reduce my sex drive, penis and testicle size (i really want something like 1 inch when hard), so i dont feel so awkward when i wear panties. yes i do, and no, its not a fetish, they're the aunty sort. i want to microdose to get that, plus a little bit of breast growth which i could bind like the "butch" tomboys when in public, and so in private, behind a locked door i can be more to my true self when i look in the mirror. it's not a sexual, perversion thing. just trying to get to be who i feel i should be and get some mental sanity...

 

Personally, I have no objection of you going after what you want to be "in your head". but I object to you self-medicate without the proper advise of medical professionals. You might casue more problem for yourself and some of these cannot be reverse. You might end up being not here not there and ends up being your biggest regret.

 

Stop what you are doing and seek advice from professional.

[Steve5380]

9 hours ago, GachiMuchi said:

 

Personally, I have no objection of you going after what you want to be "in your head". but I object to you self-medicate without the proper advise of medical professionals. You might casue more problem for yourself and some of these cannot be reverse. You might end up being not here not there and ends up being your biggest regret.

 

Stop what you are doing and seek advice from professional.

 

Unfortunately, not all professionals give good advice. The medical profession is in a serious need of update, away from theories that are proven false.

 

The best course of action is to accept what nature decides for us to be, even if it is different from what is "in our head",  and not try to change it.  

[singalion]

12 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

What a screwed-up society!!!   Family and friends, who should provide the best for you,  should not have been in the way for you to be what you want to be! But that is history.  Hopefully now you can find the information you seek from individuals who have experience in what you want to do. 

 

Unless you want to make many babies,  to have reduced sex drive can be advantageous.  This comes from an octogenarian, I am so satisfied to have lost most of my sex drive and can instead concentrate on other things than sex! 

 

Can you accept and be less bothered by the fact of not looking like the person in your head?   Isn't "to look like" something one does for others, for the World?  Can one think "fuck them, I don't care how they see me"?   ( this can also help us when we are old, and don't care to look old, ha ha )   Your mental sanity should take absolute priority over what "others" may think of you.  This is very important for us LGBTs. 

 

I wish you as much success as possible.   

 

Yes, but this is not life.

In your own country there are a lot of LGB - trans haters, even own family members who despise their kids for being gay, bi or trans.

 

Yes, there are also understanding parents.

 

[singalion]

35 minutes ago, Steve5380 said:

 

Unfortunately, not all professionals give good advice. The medical profession is in a serious need of update, away from theories that are proven false.

 

The best course of action is to accept what nature decides for us to be, even if it is different from what is "in our head",  and not try to change it.  

 

I think being a bottom does not equate with needing to be less masculine.

 

It looks to me more like an issue of accepting being born male (even if I am gay).

 

I second with GM on seeking professional or medical advice prior to doing some self medication that will have permanent consequences on my body.

 

But I also agree not all professionals are "professional". however I see btmslut's issue more on self acceptance on who you are and mirroring what he thinks others see in him onto his self reflection. What he assumes others see in him might not even be the true self reality of him on how others look at him. 

 

It might be also a matter of age. What I try to say is if the train already passed the station and I missed it, then probably I just have to accept having missed the train...

Maybe it is a sort of midlife crisis of Btmslut.

I would hope he has some good friends to talk about it.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 11, 2025 by singalion

[btmslut]

thank you for the kind comments. I guess to add, as a 5 year old i grew up wishing that my penis would drop off and become a vagina just like my mother. my father would go beserk and violent when he sees me doing feminine things like playing with flowers. some time back a professional psychiatrist said i'd qualify but i couldn't take up the offer as i was living with my parents, and the men (father, brothers and I) in the house would walk around without shirts. 

 

fully agree i should seek a professional for the doesage and all but it's at this stage where I can't afford the long psych evaluations, endocrinologist and the repeated tests and then paying for singapore prices for the meds. also, i want to micro-dose to have just minor effects, not a full on double-d top bombshell thing. something where i could still pass off as a guy in public but in private i could, with a bit of make up, look like a not so well endowed female. somehting where i can, behing a locked door, look in the mirror and feel relief and not so alien. not interested in a full sex change as the long term care is going to be extremely painful and risky.

 

if you read my past posts, i have indulged in a lot of sexual escapades which i believe most will never get to experience. most of them, in my head when i close my eyes, i'm a female. i also think that i get in those suituations because of my high sex drive and i want to reduce it to a level of a normal person in society.  the depression (diagnosed) from all of this stretches back as far as when i'm around 12 and i really want to alleviate it very badly.

 

this sounds so messy

 

Edited February 11, 2025 by btmslut

[Why?]

1 hour ago, btmslut said:

 in my head when i close my eyes, i'm a female.

 

 

Thinking feminism in your head is one thing, but using medicine to attain it is another, and it has its own set of negative effects that can hit you unexpectedly as you age. 

 

As you become older, you could have other problems that are not related to your sexual desires. Just so you know, sexual enjoyment and priorities vary throughout your life time.   I thought that a lot of people who had already fulfilled your wishes now, had wished they didn't do anything in the first place and hope to resume their regular lives and pursue other interests. 

 

You can still have lots of sex with people who adore your current physiques tattoos and look, without compromising your sexual preferences. adore your body and embrace what was given to you at birth.  I'm afraid your standing in the LGBT community may suffer once you start taking medication and transform into someone you're not, or apparently look creepier and became an object of resistance by the gay community and caused you to regret for the rest of your life. 

[singalion]

3 hours ago, btmslut said:

thank you for the kind comments. I guess to add, as a 5 year old i grew up wishing that my penis would drop off and become a vagina just like my mother. my father would go beserk and violent when he sees me doing feminine things like playing with flowers. some time back a professional psychiatrist said i'd qualify but i couldn't take up the offer as i was living with my parents, and the men (father, brothers and I) in the house would walk around without shirts. 

 

fully agree i should seek a professional for the doesage and all but it's at this stage where I can't afford the long psych evaluations, endocrinologist and the repeated tests and then paying for singapore prices for the meds. also, i want to micro-dose to have just minor effects, not a full on double-d top bombshell thing. something where i could still pass off as a guy in public but in private i could, with a bit of make up, look like a not so well endowed female. somehting where i can, behing a locked door, look in the mirror and feel relief and not so alien. not interested in a full sex change as the long term care is going to be extremely painful and risky.

 

if you read my past posts, i have indulged in a lot of sexual escapades which i believe most will never get to experience. most of them, in my head when i close my eyes, i'm a female. i also think that i get in those suituations because of my high sex drive and i want to reduce it to a level of a normal person in society.  the depression (diagnosed) from all of this stretches back as far as when i'm around 12 and i really want to alleviate it very badly.

 

this sounds so messy

 

 

Boy oh Boy!

 

Don't we all share some of these things.

Probably because of my older sister 3 years older as kids we dressed in mom's dresses or put lipstick on our lips and make up but don't plenty of kids do such things.

I would never relate being homosexual to these kid stuff. I don't even know whether the fact that having an older sister and hanging around with girls had impact on these plays. BUT: I would never see such things as having become gay. I think around 15y I was quite sure being sexually attracted to guys.

 

Assessing you with for being like your mom, reminds me on my 3 cousins (2y, 4y and 6y) , I once had the charge take care of all 3 alone when my sister and her husband made a certain excursion over an extended weekend.

Cousin (male) needed to pee while we were walking back home from some playground. As there was no toilet around I asked him to pee at a tree on a smaller forested patch along the way home, Cousin 2 (female) 4y told me she needs to pee also, she stood straight up like her brother and peed down standing next to him (into her pants). I walked Cousin 3 (2y old) to both of them and asked Cousin 2 why she pees standing up. Her reply: I want to be like my brother, he always pees standing up.

 

For btmslut:

Probably it was some overly fondness to your mother, eventually mixed with some adverse feelings to your father (maybe he didn't treat her always well and you took sides). Your father probably seemed a bit strict, so you developed more feelings to your mother and wanted to be in the same league with her or developed a defence stance. 

Not sure a 5 year old kid really knows what a vagina is.

Probably I don't need to guess that you didn't like your father very much.

As described above, as kids we all had such play stuff. I would never tag the sexual orientation or sex change desire on what kids played with.

While I played with matchbox cars, I also joined my sister playing with dolls, etc etc.

Don't relate such stuff to sexual orientation or being in the wrong sex.

 

Not sure how the high sex drive plays in. Male actually have a higher sex drive than women. 

The question for me would be: Do you enjoy your sexual life?

You're a bottom, do you enjoy the sex act, does it satisfy you?

(this is just a question for yourself; no need to expose yourself here)

 

Depression is another thing. Nowadays, everything is depression, but is it?

Or is it a result of loneliness, not being satisfied with your professional/love/financial life?

My advice here as usual would be: Get a bunch of good gay friends, mingle more in non sexual stuff. Go holidays together, explore the world.

You are still in an age where you can find good friends and a circle that lives with you the coming years.

I think you just need more happiness factors then just sex.

 

There are guys who are attracted to guys crossdressing and appearing as girls (but still having a dick),

maybe venture into that.

 

All in all:

Either accept who you are or:

Please seek professional help for not running into something that takes you deep down.

Nowadays, I assume the professionals are better aware and equipped to assist you.

But if you open your circle to more good friends, it might not be necessary.

 

Also: Last point:

Why not thinking of moving to your own place?

It gives you more opportunity to be yourself without fearing on others.

In tiny Singapore you can still visit your parents frequently. Judging from your age, 

they are probably still fit to roam around without you next to them every second.

I sense that the situation at your place doesn't feel like your home and cuts into your happiness factor.

 

 

Edited February 11, 2025 by singalion

[GachiMuchi]

3 hours ago, btmslut said:

fully agree i should seek a professional for the doesage and all but it's at this stage where I can't afford the long psych evaluations, endocrinologist and the repeated tests and then paying for singapore prices for the meds. also, i want to micro-dose to have just minor effects, not a full on double-d top bombshell thing. something where i could still pass off as a guy in public but in private i could, with a bit of make up, look like a not so well endowed female. somehting where i can, behing a locked door, look in the mirror and feel relief and not so alien. not interested in a full sex change as the long term care is going to be extremely painful and risky.

 

if you read my past posts, i have indulged in a lot of sexual escapades which i believe most will never get to experience. most of them, in my head when i close my eyes, i'm a female. i also think that i get in those suituations because of my high sex drive and i want to reduce it to a level of a normal person in society.  the depression (diagnosed) from all of this stretches back as far as when i'm around 12 and i really want to alleviate it very badly.

 

this sounds so messy

 

 

The reason the doc does evaluation is to identify if you truly can be a female.  The issue here is that you want to be, but yet want to play it safe, which is why you taking micro dosage. I personally feel that you are not ready to be a woman, therefore I won't recommend you take what you are taking for that insignificant change. because you might regret it when you are neither here nor there. 

 

If you really feels strongly that you are woman, then, I think you should just go ahead and BE the person you want to BE. If not, just maintain and just play dressed-up would be find. Don't go and be 不三不四 (neither here nor there).  Don't play with things you cannot control or that is irriversable. 

 

What you are doing with all the "thinking" is 内耗 all your energy and trying to be what you can't be or don't dare to be.  Go speak with those who had did sex changed and see how their lives had been. and those whom had taken doses and see how it had changed their lives. Please also seek consultation to find out how taking those hormones can affect you with the professionals docs. 

 

Don't experiment with such as there is no regret pills.

 

[poiupoiu]

On 2/10/2025 at 8:39 PM, btmslut said:

medical professionals or transsexuals who have already commenced, hope to hear some comments, though i already know the dangers of self medicating.

 

if you see my posts, im pure btm. femme in bed. in day to day i'm surrounded by family and friends who are against homosexuality, let alone transitioning to another sex. i've compensated by doing a lot of weights and getting thick masculine tattoos, covering half my skin. if you took off my clothes, i have the same physique as mike tyson. short, yet very broad, and a decently flat stomach. above average muscle size. i have an above average cock for a chinese, compared to the many tops i've slept with.

 

i've recently gotten my hands on some estrogen. oestrogel to be exact. i know that generally for MTF, testosterone blockers are used in conjucntion with estrogen. i don't have the t blockers, i read that applying the gel to the scrotum works like a t blocker as well. is that true? i'm currently using half of the plastic "knife' that comes in the pack. am i overdoing it?

 

the reason for this is I want to look a bit more like the person in my head, though it's impossible. i'm thinking if i can get 20% i'll be able to die happy. the additional pluses are it will reduce my sex drive, penis and testicle size (i really want something like 1 inch when hard), so i dont feel so awkward when i wear panties. yes i do, and no, its not a fetish, they're the aunty sort. i want to microdose to get that, plus a little bit of breast growth which i could bind like the "butch" tomboys when in public, and so in private, behind a locked door i can be more to my true self when i look in the mirror. it's not a sexual, perversion thing. just trying to get to be who i feel i should be and get some mental sanity...

Hi! Local (MtF) transgender here. Also in somewhat the same boat, as I started off self dosing 1.5 years ago and am now currently having my blood monitored by endocrinologist at public hospital.

 

Generally for MtF hormone therapy (hrt), most things are reversible once you go off meds for awhile.
Exception being breast growth which you need surgery to undo.

Bear in mind that taking estrogen and anti androgens will change you both emotionally and mentally as well (sometimes not for the better)

 

From your last paragraph it sounds like you have conflict between what you see yourself mentally and how you currently look. Which more or less was the reason I started transitioning.  Pre-transition I was basically your avg stereotypical sg bro-man-dude but these days I pass as a tomboy in public (without speaking of course). And it more or less alleviate the dysphoria that I felt growing up as a man. So... don't lose hope because you can change more than you expect.

 

Remember, whether or not you want to continue walking down this path is your own decision.

Only you can tell whether this is really who you are / who you want to be.

My personal experience is, there are a lot of difficulty navigating society as a transgender/transsexual person.

You can lose family, friends, job opportunities, partners because it is hard for non TG/TS people to really understand why you would do this.
Please, please consider all the factors first.

 

Anyway, to talk about the technical side of things:

• Physical changes are resulted more from having low T than high E
• Estrogel monotherapy is possible but dosage is a bit iffy because everyone is different
  • For estrogel recommend start with 1 stick daily and yes applying to balls works the best
• There isn't much risk to dosing on the high side for estrogen
• Anti androgens are a different matter entirely and each have their own risks
  • spironolactone (not very effective, makes you pee a lot)
  • cyproterone acetate (risk of high prolactin which leads to meningioma)
  • bicalutamide (miniscule chance of liver failure)
• You HAVE to keep taking estrogen for as long as you live

If you want a listening ear or someone to help you eyeball your dosage feel free to DM me. In the long term I would still strongly recommend that you go through either the public route (polyclinic > psych > endo) or at the bare minimum get your bloods tested at private clinic to:

• make sure that everything stays in healthy range esp for liver function
• check that you are on the right dosage
• get consistent supply of (safe) meds

Edited February 11, 2025 by poiupoiu
clarify

[kLookx]

Hmm...transitioning to a macho Mary maybe ?

[Winnie]

looks like even people here can be unwelcoming of people going through mtf hrt, and hrt actually decrease the need for sex, have to think things through that at the end of hrt you may end up not feeling the need for sex even though your purpose of hrt was to improve sex experience. at the end of hrt, you may end up getting less or no sex than you might have wanted because if your hrt is very successful, guys may treat you like a real woman and the chances of sex may surprisingly get lower because gay people not interested and people who actually interested in women may end up going after you just for a once off trial or experience or fantasy. and its disappointing that local laws do not allow ppl on mtf hrt to bank sperm and not legally allowed any of the artificial reproduction methods.

 

for me, I am also thinking of hrt, and even if crossdress, I rather not have breast forms but actual breasts to fill out bra, dresses, especially so as I enjoy nipple arousal and the thought of able to go swimming openly wearing one piece swimsuit, with a flat shape at the front can be so satisfying, but because of all those issues above, those who went through mtf hrt are really brave as two of the most likely to be permanent effects are also the 2 most important matters.

[Why?]

9 hours ago, Winnie said:

looks like even people here can be unwelcoming of people going through mtf hrt, and hrt actually decrease the need for sex, have to think things through that at the end of hrt you may end up not feeling the need for sex even though your purpose of hrt was to improve sex experience. 

 

Since many people have goals in life that are more important than sex, very few people have ever gone through the transition process.    Whether your loved ones and family members support your decision and you proceed from there is more important than what we think or approve of.   But be aware that after you transition, you will become a fringe group with many constraints that gay people still enjoy in the main stream society.

[Winnie]

4 hours ago, Why? said:

Since many people have goals in life that are more important than sex, very few people have ever gone through the transition process.    Whether your loved ones and family members support your decision and you proceed from there is more important than what we think or approve of.   But be aware that after you transition, you will become a fringe group with many constraints that gay people still enjoy in the main stream society.

true, but the desire to crossdress in public is so high without looking like a male in female clothing, and not too into makeup which is why thinking of hrt

[Why?]

2 hours ago, Winnie said:

true, but the desire to crossdress in public is so high without looking like a male in female clothing, and not too into makeup which is why thinking of hrt

Even after you transition,  I don't think you can get rid of the male facial features completely.  Are there other interests that could divert such cravings to crossdress?  

If all you want is cheap fun, you could create a YouTube channel, do whatever you want with the crossdress theme, and even draw people with like-minded cravings.

[Winnie]

16 hours ago, Why? said:

Even after you transition,  I don't think you can get rid of the male facial features completely.  Are there other interests that could divert such cravings to crossdress?  

If all you want is cheap fun, you could create a YouTube channel, do whatever you want with the crossdress theme, and even draw people with like-minded cravings.

no, I not doing this to show myself to everyone, its more of the nice feeling of wearing those outfits especially in public, but want to be passable so that will not attract unnecessary trouble for crossdressing in public.

[poiupoiu]

On 8/21/2025 at 2:35 PM, Winnie said:

true, but the desire to crossdress in public is so high without looking like a male in female clothing, and not too into makeup which is why thinking of hrt

HRT is not a substitute for learning makeup.
 

It can shape soft tissue such as giving you facial fats and also curves, depending on your age when starting.

However, to be realistic, most people don't pass on hormones alone.

Hair, voice, makeup and clothing weigh a lot more on whether you pass in public to strangers.

 

[Winnie]

27 minutes ago, poiupoiu said:

HRT is not a substitute for learning makeup.
 

It can shape soft tissue such as giving you facial fats and also curves, depending on your age when starting.

However, to be realistic, most people don't pass on hormones alone.

Hair, voice, makeup and clothing weigh a lot more on whether you pass in public to strangers.

 

can't exactly wear makeup to swim

[Why?]

18 hours ago, Winnie said:

can't exactly wear makeup to swim

 

On 8/22/2025 at 10:36 AM, Winnie said:

its more of the nice feeling of wearing those outfits especially in public, 

You so like to wear dress and skirt in public, as your priority concerns, why are you worry about having to swim (with no outfit needed)?   If you worry so much, go for full surgical transformations and deal with it permanently.  Then, you can wear female swim costume, with two big sexy boobs and call yourself loud and proud. 

[btmslut]

the reality is a lot of people won't understand and judging from the earlier comments, it feels like gays, even though being discriminated, will also discriminate if there is a "lower" social class and so I gave up responding here. 

 

i'm actually quite happy with the almost zero sex drive and on the rare occasions i masturbate, it takes very very long to even get hard (and to stay hard) and with one drop emission or nothing at all. nipples are puffy and hurts when i lie down.

 

i'm making a conscious choice to be able to pass off as a man in day to day, espcially to family, and i will never look good as a cis female.

 

but seeing the shrinking testicles and penis and feeling the pain of the puffy nipples when i am home alone makes me happy mentally. i know it means a lot of sacrifice, i won't be able to go swimming, it'll be much much harder to find a partner, and a whole host of issues. but to remain status quo as before was driving me insane and you wouldnt know how many times i attempted to hang myself.

[cutejack]

2 hours ago, btmslut said:

the reality is a lot of people won't understand and judging from the earlier comments, it feels like gays, even though being discriminated, will also discriminate if there is a "lower" social class and so I gave up responding here. 

 

i'm actually quite happy with the almost zero sex drive and on the rare occasions i masturbate, it takes very very long to even get hard (and to stay hard) and with one drop emission or nothing at all. nipples are puffy and hurts when i lie down.

 

i'm making a conscious choice to be able to pass off as a man in day to day, espcially to family, and i will never look good as a cis female.

 

but seeing the shrinking testicles and penis and feeling the pain of the puffy nipples when i am home alone makes me happy mentally. i know it means a lot of sacrifice, i won't be able to go swimming, it'll be much much harder to find a partner, and a whole host of issues. but to remain status quo as before was driving me insane and you wouldnt know how many times i attempted to hang myself.

U got what u wanted then y u want to hang yrself? 

 

[Why?]

On 8/27/2025 at 7:24 PM, btmslut said:

the reality is a lot of people won't understand and judging from the earlier comments, it feels like gays, even though being discriminated, will also discriminate if there is a "lower" social class and so I gave up responding here. 

 

It has nothing to do with "lower social class" among gay.  We are just not used to "sweet talk" to make someone happy.  You do know that there is a price for every action you choose and we are just reminding you of some possible consequences.  That's all.

Edited August 28, 2025 by Why?

[btmslut]

Thank you for the reminder. very much appreciate it. i'm glad to have a group of people constantly reminding me. 

 

i hope you never have to live life where someone is constantly reminding you of your shortcomings, like you so obviously enjoy doing to others.

 

as a non straight person i have experienced and observed discrimination in the family, society and career. i'm sure you have as well. and you probably wished to be treated equally, with dignity and respect. but when it comes to someone even more different than just a regular gay person, you choose to "remind me" when i never asked for your reminder. but thank you for that. 

 

this is exactly why i stopped relying and honestly if not for the supportive and helpful DMs i've received here i would quit this whole BW thing entirely.

 

 

16 hours ago, Why? said:

It has nothing to do with "lower social class" among gay.  We are just not used to "sweet talk" to make someone happy.  You do know that there is a price for every action you choose and we are just reminding you of some possible consequences.  That's all.

 

Edited August 29, 2025 by btmslut