How does anyone determine their role in bed ? - Are You Top, Btm Or Flexi? Which Role Should I Be? (Compiled)

[citiguy]

"Moreover, i have went thru Arte posts and i saw none of it is generalising."

Are you sure??

Sorry deviate abit.

I guess Asura said he went through Arte's recent comments and he felt that Arte wasn't making generalised comments. He did not say that he read through ALL his posts. So, please read carefully and don't assume. You are actually arguing on a different ground. If like what u have mentioned "people can be more relaxed and easy going", i don't see the reason for digging out old posts so as to prove your point.

Being an informal channel means, u can post anything other than just serious issues such as current affairs. However, this doesn't mean you make some silly comments and hope to get away with it. Rather, i see this as a forum for mature discussion i.e. we need to be responsible for the statements that we make here. Do you know why members have to lash out at some guests? These guests are trying to be funny and turning this forum into a kiddy playground.

Precisely, it is free for all and sundry, we need to be careful about making irresponsible and generalised statement.

To Spinning Top... maybe you should stop spinning and really take a gd look at what Arte said. He already said he cut and paste that phrase from someone's posting.

[Guest Serious guest]

"Moreover, i have went thru Arte posts and i saw none of it is generalising."

Are you sure??

Sorry deviate abit.

I guess Asura said he went through Arte's recent comments and he felt that Arte wasn't making generalised comments. He did not say that he read through ALL his posts. So, please read carefully and don't assume. You are actually arguing on a different ground. If like what u have mentioned "people can be more relaxed and easy going", i don't see the reason for digging out old posts so as to prove your point.

Being an informal channel means, u can post anything other than just serious issues such as current affairs. However, this doesn't mean you make some silly comments and hope to get away with it. Rather, i see this as a forum for mature discussion i.e. we need to be responsible for the statements that we make here. Do you know why members have to lash out at some guests? These guests are trying to be funny and turning this forum into a kiddy playground.

Precisely, it is free for all and sundry, we need to be careful about making irresponsible and generalised statement.

To Spinning Top... maybe you should stop spinning and really take a gd look at what Arte said. He already said he cut and paste that phrase from someone's posting.

Read carefully again.

Asura replied to my quote that says I have read through all the over 300 posts that Artemov had made. I said to Artemov, he had generalised a bit himself, in some of his posts.

Asura then said, he had read Artemov's posts and that NONE of it is generalising. I think it is fair assumption, since he is quoting my reading of all Artemov's posts, that Asura himself had read all the 300 over posts.

Now you step in and explain for Asura that he had probably read only some of Artemov's recent posts.

What is factual here. I had read all of Artemov's posts. I found that he had generalised a bit himself occasionally. Absolutely nothing wrong with that I might say.

Did Asura read ALL of Artemov's postings before he made that comment that NONE of it is generalising?

I dug out a comment Artemov made some time back that showed he might had made the same comment (regarding percentages of tops) containing unsubstantiated statistics that were not challenged.

I am just providing facts thats all.

And what is this thing about guests trying to be funny...etc. Am I trying to be funny by pointing out FACTS? Are guests not welcome here? This is not the member's lounge if I am not mistaken. Maybe the mods would like to comment?

[Guest Serious guest]

"Moreover, i have went thru Arte posts and i saw none of it is generalising."

Are you sure?

Even Mr Artemov himself, smart fellow as he is, dared not make that remark. Apparently some time back, he himself had made the same remark that true tops are hard to find. If you had READ ALL HIS POSTS, I am sure you would not had missed that.

If someone want to be picky, one can always asked what is the basis for that comment? Was a survey done for him to justify his remark?

This is a forum where people gather to share information, gossip, make friends, share opinions or comment on anything gay related or not.

An opinion is just some one's personal view. An educated man knows that. He can challenge and rebut that man's view, but he can't challenge him if he had conducted a survey, or have a scientific basis for his views. So what if he did not? The comment was just a personal opinion.

For example, if I had said "I think 9 out of 10 people in an Asian sauna are bottoms," that is my personal opinion. An educated way to challenge that opinion is to give your own opinion why you disagree.

However if I said, "Studies have shown 9 out of 10 people in Asian saunas are bottom," someone then can then justifiably asked what study am I quoting from? Did I do a survey myself?

There are many ways to discuss issues. In an informal setting like BW, I think people can be more relaxed and easy going.

There are just my personal views so for those surveys hunters, please take it with a pinch of salt. LELAX lah.

How am I trying to be funny when I made this post?

I thought I was in fact trying to explain logically how discussions and rebuttals should be conducted in the context of a gay forum.

If everyone were to ask everyone else for proof of the remarks they made here, this place would be pretty dull. All personal commentary, opinions and perceptions would be curtailed for fear of someone asking for proof.

[sblue]

The phrase of the day is "anecdotal evidence".

Basically, when Person A says something like "I find that 9 out of 10 in Asia are btms", what he is saying is what he has seen or experienced. It's not necessarily wrong because he has experienced it but it

Great, now I sound like I can't even complete a thought or write a full post, the cut off mid-sentence is just perfect.

Edited June 17, 2009 by sblue

[LupCheong]

*clap* *clap* :clap: :clap:

You will always be my EC the 2nd

[Asura]

Read carefully again.

Asura replied to my quote that says I have read through all the over 300 posts that Artemov had made. I said to Artemov, he had generalised a bit himself, in some of his posts.

Sorry to say, I did make a mistake that I give you the idea of "I have read thru Arte 300 over post".

I have a job and a life basically and I am not given the pleasures of reading 300 post within minutes or hours after you post.

But have you done it? Or is it a collective experience that when you read the forum, you notice arte post is generalising?

Hmm.... what I am to say is, I am not against someone making his opinion about the 9 out of 10 questions. Like what sblue says, one opinion maybe part and parcel of his own experiences and some may or may not feel it that way. But the topic starter "wonder" had make such comments:

Just to qualify, i m pure top. But not sure if u guys noticed or am i wrong...in Asia (generally speaking...) there are a lot more bottoms than tops. In Europe and the US, there seems to be more tops than bottoms. Always wondered why this is the case. I have no problems getting bottoms in Asia, but it Europe and US, its rarer commodity...

He used the term "generally speaking", it seems to give me the impression that he has collectively consolidate information. Than "notop" make comments that:

True. I can testify that becasue in the local saunas, 9 out of 10 are bottoms or prefer to be bottoms even they are flex.

Where he mentioned that "I can testify" but the place of his context is "in the local suana". Simply by making this factual, he is trying to represent his case that he is able to "testify that in the local suana, most are bottom", instead of "I find that from my experience in the local suana, I see more btm than top"

Gachi and Arte had make their views on how can one testify and generally speaks in terms of context when there could be more than one entity present to make his owning feeling?

I am not typing this post out of anger or enthusiatism on attacking someone, but rather, true to some would say that this is a forum where any one can put his own feelings and opinions as he likes, but I also remember that there are many people who is reading this and if they take it to be factual, would that stir anything? I am not even talking about possible spys and information collectors who may or may not be out to harm people.

Of cause, we are a group of people who cherish freedom and we would like to practise freedom of speech, but if the freedom given to us lead us to be giving information which may not be true, It could hurt people in ways which you are not able to imagine, thats what I feel. For a start, if suana all btm, less top, maybe suana bosses in trouble

Cheers

ASSura

[sblue]

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All that's left of my previous post is that? Just the above "It"?

Edited June 17, 2009 by sblue

[bigis4me]

I am not sure whether anybody brought up this topic or not but it sure confuses me many times.

Is there really a look of how a top or btm should have or not have. I have many times come

across guys who look so manly and supposing top but when we have fun, its them asking whether

i like to top them and to me that great too as i am vers and love to top a manly guy anytime.Its just

there are times you just want to be a btm oral a guy and have him top u.

The reason why i brought up this topic is that during one of my gay.com chats I was told that i look

so top and couldnt be a vers btm as i what i like to be. So i ask him what he meant and he said that

most btms would be build better or have a more softer look and would take care of themselves more

as in loks wise. That was quite a irritating statement as it meant that i didnt take care of myself or

wasnt up to hsi standard or build. Then i ask what a top should look like and he said that they normally

just look manly and presentable looking and dont really have ncie butts.

I do feel that guy was shallow to think that way so i just stop the chat after that and chatted with other

people. So what i am asking now is , is there really a look to distinguise bewtween a top or btm?

[Guest GUESST]

It normal that even str8 have stereotyped ideas about gays which actually also match how gays expect how other gays look.

Let's face it, btms are expected to be young and sissy. Tops are manly and executive types.

Read the xxx stories here and you see the stereotypes also.

So what happens if I am manly, matured and also a btm? Let me tell you then I have to hide in another deeper closet inside the gay closet. That means if other gays ask me I will always tell them I am top if I am not horny or versatile if I am horny. Some gays will say I am a time-waster and playing games because I just look and tease but will not do it after they spend so much chatting me up. But frankly I knew we are both bottoms or at least he is not my type if he versatile.I acted cocky like a top do.

Let's face the truth of why bottoms like me want to hide in the btm closet even though most of us gays hate to admit it. It is because during sex the bottom is the getting screwed, getting fxxked, legs up, being humped, being doggied, being pounded silly, being used like a woman etc I know and I accepted that as being a bottom.

But no matter how, somehow during sex or after sex I was wondering, "how did I allow myself to be so cheap?" Sometimes I looked into the mirror while being fxxked doggie, I couldn't believe my own eyes that a younger chap is using me like a bitch...really I felt like a female animal because of the way I look on all fours and the way he grab my neck or my head the same way a male dog catch hold of a bitch to mate.

[grumpybaker]

I think this is a non-topic hee hee.

[Guest dadslover]

Actually the topic is more of whether is there a certain look for a top or btm. Looks can always be deceiving

so maybe thought somebody came up with the differences

[Guest sighed]

I also don't know how others see in me. I am actually a top but everytime I have sex with someone, he will always want to top me and I will have to stop him.

I have a feeling that my looks tend to attract tops only

[cubken]

May be we should start a culture where top will wear the key band on the left and bottom wear it on the right Then everyone knows who to go after

[newguy2l]

May be we should start a culture where top will wear the key band on the left and bottom wear it on the right Then everyone knows who to go after

and we versatile guys wear them around our penis?

[Guest dadsover]

Well guys you may have a idea and trend hahahha. Top wear their key tags on their right and btm wear on their left and vers wear them in their leg.

But its still very funny that the way we look tells one person one thing and another a different thing. So maybe with this i wont get wrong. Why not

give some other ideas guys?

[Guest ABC1234]

I got a friend who loves to drag. Once she met this heavily tattooed gangster Ah beng and they went to a hotel for sex.

After foreplay, the gangster begged my friend to top him. And surprising, he did...cos he may drag but he;s still versatile....

And yah...the gangster...according to my friend...moaned like some gu niang during intercourse.

[fred1367]

I think it is more of a manner than a look. Tops tend to be more active and forceful. This does sometimes affect how they look.

I am a bottom and I can nearly always spot a top, even if it is only a chat room conversation. With experience, you can learn to do this.

Like sighed, I have had a mis-match. A bottom recently came on to me, after we met through a website. Although I was once able to penetrate him, it didn't really work. The experience confirmed for me that I am really a bottom.

[Guest Guest]

hope this question doesn't sound stupid. i have never done anal before so i dunno whether im a top or bottom.

so how do you guys know? is it from the first anal session? or must do a few times then see which one you prefer?

and some people said that if you are more manly, you are a top. more feminine, you are a bottom. but that is just generic right? i mean, there are sure tops who can be feminine and more manly bottoms.

another thing i heard is that, some are tops cos their dicks are longer and their assholes are too tight. but im sure there are also tops whose dicks might just be normal or even less than average-sized right?

thing is, how to know which type you are? if you like both, then you are versatile?

pls enlighten.

[Guest -flex-]

It's just a personal preference of individuals based on mentality, a normal healthy person be both top or bottom or both (like me). It has nothing to do with endowment or mannerism.

[cock brand]

It's just a personal preference of individuals based on mentality, a normal healthy person be both top or bottom or both (like me). It has nothing to do with endowment or mannerism.

True.

Follow your heart and decide.

Its really got nothing to do with ones physical appereance and mannerism.

Most ended up as btms were because of their certain "physical constraint" - so its more likely by default.

They shd instead overcome those constraints and reconsider their preference.

[Guest Guest]

Simply, if you like people to fxxk you then you are a bottom. If you like to fxxk someone, you are a top. If you like to fxxk and be fxxked, then you are versatile. Forget about pure top, pure bottom or whatever shit. These are terms used by people to boost their ego.

[GachiMuchi]

hope this question doesn't sound stupid. i have never done anal before so i dunno whether im a top or bottom.

so how do you guys know? is it from the first anal session? or must do a few times then see which one you prefer?

and some people said that if you are more manly, you are a top. more feminine, you are a bottom. but that is just generic right? i mean, there are sure tops who can be feminine and more manly bottoms.

another thing i heard is that, some are tops cos their dicks are longer and their assholes are too tight. but im sure there are also tops whose dicks might just be normal or even less than average-sized right?

thing is, how to know which type you are? if you like both, then you are versatile?

pls enlighten.

Some gays know instinctively what they are, while others goes through a ride-of-passage to be who they are. As what CB (CoxkBrand) has mentioned, just follow your heart.

[beef4beef]

Some gays know instinctively what they are, while others goes through a ride-of-passage to be who they are. As what CB (CoxkBrand) has mentioned, just follow your heart.

Hehe ... 'ride-of-passage' ... I like the pun you have there

I go by one Simple Rule: Call it what you like, just ENJOY it! That way its a win win situation every time. Don't need to compromise. You're missing some when you compromise. Take it 100% all the way without the hang-ups.

Edited February 4, 2009 by beef4beef

[raymond]

If you bottomed for a guy, that doesn't mean you are inferior to him. Likewise, if you topped a guy, it doesn't mean u r superior to him. I don't believe there is such thing as Strictly top - i hve to agree it is ego problem....etc The key thing is to enjoy yourself... have some variation in life.. if you have found a good partner then there more you should give and take...

[Guest -GuestWriterSG-]

I can be a Dominating Bottom Master to a Passive Top, haha.

What does that make me ? new category ?

I should write about one of my episode =)

[ixmog]

I can be a Dominating Bottom Master to a Passive Top, haha.

What does that make me ? new category ?

I should write about one of my episode =)

What's a passive top ?

[townguy]

What's a passive top ?

I would like to think it as a top who likes the btm to lead at best... worst case scenario... a lazy top, one who lies on the bed and expects the btm to do EVERYTHING...

[reflection]

What's a passive top ?

Let uncle guess ....... Is it the bottom sitting on the top where the top is like a dead fish ?

[happy.99]

passive would means someone who does not take the initiative.

[harylok]

Let uncle guess ....... Is it the bottom sitting on the top where the top is like a dead fish ?

The position you mentioned occur to the fun I had with a AUTO-CUM bottom just few days ago ...

btw. We took turn for the coordinated momentum , so, I was pretty alive & not dead

Give me a virgin of my liking, I will RIM the hell out of him into a Bottom ....

Hary :twisted:

[reflection]

The position you mentioned occur to the fun I had with a AUTO-CUM bottom just few days ago ...

btw. We took turn for the coordinated momentum , so, I was pretty alive & not dead

Give me a virgin of my liking, I will RIM the hell out of him into a Bottom ....

Hary :twisted:

You want to try me ..gegege

[Utopaen]

Been reading all the threads on tops and bottoms...personally, I don't feel that there is a no need to pigeon-hole people into categories like top/btm/power/lousy/active/passive. I agree with some of the posters above about doing what you enjoy and not feeling pressured to perform in a certain manner.

Just do what you enjoy and find someone who enjoys it with you. and you will find your way as u go on.

btw, dominating power btms are quite a turn on..LOL

[Guest ChiChaKong]

If you bottomed for a guy, that doesn't mean you are inferior to him. Likewise, if you topped a guy, it doesn't mean u r superior to him. I don't believe there is such thing as Strictly top - i hve to agree it is ego problem....etc The key thing is to enjoy yourself... have some variation in life.. if you have found a good partner then there more you should give and take...

That is all political correctness bullshit. If you believe that then try bottoming in public like at Shogun. Better yet, if you are uncle, get a younger cub to be the top. Then listen to the not so flattering comments like aiyoooo so no big no small...small eat big...

Or listen to the comments here like

"No offense, but you sounded very sour in your tone. Too long never get plug isit?"

Never "too long never fxxk a bottom is it?"

No offense, this is true of most tops and they say it without realizing it.

I rest my case.

[Utopaen]

That is all political correctness bullshit. If you believe that then try bottoming in public like at Shogun. Better yet, if you are uncle, get a younger cub to be the top. Then listen to the not so flattering comments like aiyoooo so no big no small...small eat big...

Or listen to the comments here like

"No offense, but you sounded very sour in your tone. Too long never get plug isit?"

Never "too long never fxxk a bottom is it?"

No offense, this is true of most tops and they say it without realizing it.

I rest my case.

political correctness or not, it's up to the individual to decide the time/place/occasion he wants to have sex. Doing it in a public place may invite comments, writing ur thoughts in a public forums is the same. U can choose to let words affect you or u can choose to ignore them and be true to urself and enjoy yourself.

just have to come to terms that ppl are always going to comment on you and ur activites, accept it with a grin and a smile.. and continue on ur own path..

[GachiMuchi]

That is all political correctness bullshit. If you believe that then try bottoming in public like at Shogun. Better yet, if you are uncle, get a younger cub to be the top. Then listen to the not so flattering comments like aiyoooo so no big no small...small eat big...

Or listen to the comments here like

"No offense, but you sounded very sour in your tone. Too long never get plug isit?"

Never "too long never fxxk a bottom is it?"

No offense, this is true of most tops and they say it without realizing it.

I rest my case.

There is only two words to describe such a person, 嘴賤 (bitchy mouth).

Raymond is trying to be neutral in his stand with regards to the title also get bitch by you. No wonder you call yourself ChiChaKong (吱喳公). 名符其實 - 死剩一把口 <- (Cantonese).

CCK, you are as guilty as those who makes such unflattering remarks when you bitch about other people in your coffee shop talk and in the forum here.

No offense, it is also true of most bottoms and they also say it without realising it.

I too, rest my case.

CCK, please stick to the topic and not divert from it.

[maturemedium]

Aiyoh.. If you are top, then Top lor...If you are bottom then Botom lor... Just enjoy the sex lah. Does it really matter?

I got a friend who swear then he will only be top cos he luvs to fxxk.. ..Few years down the line, he is bottom now. Now he swears he will only be bottom looking for good top! He said he really enjoy the feeling of G spot being tickle ..!!

So. my point is.. it doesnt matter!! Just be it and ejoy!! "Si mi ego bo ego la.." Buay Tahan you all...

[townguy]

I am not sure if i will be slapped for posting this poll?

[Guest B2B]

I am not sure if i will be slapped for posting this poll?

Yeah, this is so personal and sensitive like u don't ask a woman her age.

When I was converted to a bottom by a fxxk buddy he promised to keep it our secret. Somehow the truth leaked out months later even though he swore that he didn't tell anyone. I threatened him before that if he fxxk and tell then I'll have the right to tell his wife about us and he promised that he deserved it if he did.

I was mad because now I always get offers and dirty remarks from others. I wanted revenge so I dropped a pic of him naked in his letterbox and his wife wanted to divorce him. Luckily the one who spread the rumors came out to tell us how he knew. He saw us entering the hotel in Geylang and he booked the room next door to listen to him talking dirty to me and me submitting to him. Aiyah u know lah the walls so thin.

Luckily he was able to convince his wife that it was only a prank because no woman in pic. Of course I don't show myself in the pic. But he was mad as hell at me. I tried to apologise and bought him expensive liquor to appease him. But that night he got me drunk and 3 of them gang raped me. I woke up in a mess of dried cum in my hair and remembering it all and shy to say I was enjoying it all.

Well everybody said I deserved it because we all swore to never involve family. What's the big deal if u r a 0? Anyway I still broke off from the group because of that and always getting invited to bed.

[townguy]

Yeah, this is so personal and sensitive like u don't ask a woman her age.

Yes it is personal... but isn't this one of the most asked questions in chatrooms, frens making sites etc etc?

[Guest Decent gay]

I was mad because now I always get offers and dirty remarks from others. I wanted revenge so I dropped a pic of him naked in his letterbox and his wife wanted to divorce him. Luckily the one who spread the rumors came out to tell us how he knew. He saw us entering the hotel in Geylang and he booked the room next door to listen to him talking dirty to me and me submitting to him. Aiyah u know lah the walls so thin.

Luckily he was able to convince his wife that it was only a prank because no woman in pic. Of course I don't show myself in the pic. But he was mad as hell at me. I tried to apologise and bought him expensive liquor to appease him. But that night he got me drunk and 3 of them gang raped me. I woke up in a mess of dried cum in my hair and remembering it all and shy to say I was enjoying it all.

So drama and not very healthy leh. Why disturb other people family. Sinful.

[Guest jayy]

Versatile. I'm only interested in men who give as much as they take.

[harylok]

....... I wanted revenge so I dropped a pic of him naked in his letterbox and his wife wanted to divorce him. Luckily the one who spread the rumors came out to tell us how he knew. He saw us entering the hotel in Geylang and he booked the room next door to listen to him talking dirty to me and me submitting to him. Aiyah u know lah the walls so thin........................ What's the big deal if u r a 0?

"1" or "0" or "1+0" is just personal preference, & the role do change for some people ..

However, it's indeed a Big Deal if one behaves like an Ass-Hole in this case... :hat:

[castaway]

I threatened him before that if he fxxk and tell then I'll have the right to tell his wife about us and he promised that he deserved it if he did.

Actually, they already committed before ...

IF it is true that the married guy did, then it can be understandable and sympathy

BUT you are so rush and hot temper ... which almost detroy a family ...

may be it is a lesson for you and everybody here ... need to think carefully before "revenge" anything seriously ...

anyway, B2B was happy to be raped and punished :whistle: so I guess he got 3 x punishments ...

God bless him to be a big BOTTOM now :whistle:

[thaiboyz]

Therefore nothing wrong to be in top or bottom role as long as one enjoyed to be one. I rather tat person to be frank instead of trying to tell me otherwise and only revealed to me in bed. "0" will attract the "1" and vice versa., Ver can play dual roles, nice too. When come to fun, the main thing is satisfaction, no point pretending. :twisted:

[Guest Guest]

i am bi, and flex (best of all world!) and lately i realize that i subconsciously mimick the girls i fu.cked when i am getting serviced as a slutty bottom. there's this girl who liked to lift her legs high like a V and point her feet right at the ceiling, and after doing her, i kept doing that myself : )

and then i find myself moaning like my ex gf a lot, instead of pleasurable sounds (ah ah ah), she makes quick whimpering sounds of pain (ergh, ergh, ergh) with a strong nasal tone and i found myself kept doing that too!

also i like to do different positions, and do what these girls should be doing (but are not). like doggy, i wld arch my lower back and push out my ass, so that the ass is really round and protruded, with the hole gaping and inviting. girls would arch their back the other way so that it is less painful. disappointing.

and when doing the cowboy(girl) i would lift till the penis is almost out, before plunging it in again. many girls like gyrate and bounce meaninglessly on you : )

[townguy]

i am bi, and flex (best of all world!) and lately i realize that i subconsciously mimick the girls i fu.cked when i am getting serviced as a slutty bottom. there's this girl who liked to lift her legs high like a V and point her feet right at the ceiling, and after doing her, i kept doing that myself : )

and then i find myself moaning like my ex gf a lot, instead of pleasurable sounds (ah ah ah), she makes quick whimpering sounds of pain (ergh, ergh, ergh) with a strong nasal tone and i found myself kept doing that too!

also i like to do different positions, and do what these girls should be doing (but are not). like doggy, i wld arch my lower back and push out my ass, so that the ass is really round and protruded, with the hole gaping and inviting. girls would arch their back the other way so that it is less painful. disappointing.

and when doing the cowboy(girl) i would lift till the penis is almost out, before plunging it in again. many girls like gyrate and bounce meaninglessly on you : )

So are your tops more turned on or off? upon hearing your moaning?

[Guest B2B]

i am bi, and flex (best of all world!) and lately i realize that i subconsciously mimick the girls i fu.cked when i am getting serviced as a slutty bottom. there's this girl who liked to lift her legs high like a V and point her feet right at the ceiling, and after doing her, i kept doing that myself : )

and then i find myself moaning like my ex gf a lot, instead of pleasurable sounds (ah ah ah), she makes quick whimpering sounds of pain (ergh, ergh, ergh) with a strong nasal tone and i found myself kept doing that too!

also i like to do different positions, and do what these girls should be doing (but are not). like doggy, i wld arch my lower back and push out my ass, so that the ass is really round and protruded, with the hole gaping and inviting. girls would arch their back the other way so that it is less painful. disappointing.

and when doing the cowboy(girl) i would lift till the penis is almost out, before plunging it in again. many girls like gyrate and bounce meaninglessly on you : )

Last time without internet, we guys only have str8 AV videos from Japan to watch. We call those men in there "kao kang" - the male dogs because they were so ugly but when they fxxk, the girl's whole body shaked like jelly. Whoever got new video will invite people to watch and beer party. Then one day my army friend invited me to watch after reservists. But then the group there talked very strange when they keep asking some of them song boh like that. At first I thought they asking about like the kao kang song. But the funny way they all laughed and then one of them always rub other men backside, I never see happened before.

Then they always invited me join them lim kopi and go Genting share hotel free. One night there then one of them tell me to join their group. I blur blur say I already joined what. He said don't bluff lah you don't know what he meaning. I said got what meaning? lim kopi go Genting. Then he told me about men fxxking men sex then my face red red. I siad where got but actually I see these pictures and stories before but never know really got men here dare do this.

Then he want suck my cock but I quickly run out to gamble. After that they never call me again. Few months later, my friend called me quite excited say got special videos I want to see or not. Special of course I interested. I still remember the video called Bronco where this beefy guy got raped in some building site. Waaa my eyes pop out and my cock stand like mad. Then he touched my cock I feel so song, I let him suck then 2 of them start fxxking for all to watch. My eyes lagi popped out. This time they showed the AV video and they followed all the styles inside. Even the way he moaned so loud but not whimpering lah quite manly type. Even the carry and fxxk also can do. Same thing the kao kang can fxxk until the kao bu whole body shaked like jelly.

Then the most exciting part when he shoot inside him then we see the cock juice all leaking out. Later then I found they were couple so the kao kang not allow other men touch his kao bu.

I joined the group but we all only shoot gun or kum lan but never fxxk. I thought fxxking only if they couple do, we all so scared get fxxked.

[Guest Guest]

So are your tops more turned on or off? upon hearing your moaning?

not too sure, i usually don't give out feedback forms at the end of it :whistle: (heheh, sorry for the "miaow" moment)

actually, most people are nice and will indulge you so long as they are having fun too, i guess. i am also pretty nice and obliging to my tops. apart from weird noises, i lick, suck, swallow (in big gulps), u name it.

when top, I find most of my bottoms like a bit (and in some cases, a lot) of humiliation and like to be almost suffocating with cock and ass (actually i am like that too : )). mouth fxxking, face squatting, butt slapping, multiple fingers in a-hole seems to turn my bottoms very on. i have one who liked to curl up in a sitting fetal position in the bath for a golden shower aimed at the mouth and face :thumb: as a top, i find such "dirty?" (for want of a better word) bottoms best and will dish out as good as i get. if the bottom just want a normal fu.ck, i would honestly prefer to fu.ck girls.

yeah, being a "dirty" bottom is the best sexual role : 0

[chapapa]

Has anyone tried getting 2 versatile... one fxxks the other then halfway change roles? Sounds kinda kinky! That way both equally get the same amount of pleasure... (Thats of course they enjoy both roles equally!)

But I think if one has cummed, then its going to be tough...

[Guest Guest]

Has anyone tried getting 2 versatile... one fxxks the other then halfway change roles? Sounds kinda kinky! That way both equally get the same amount of pleasure... (Thats of course they enjoy both roles equally!)

But I think if one has cummed, then its going to be tough...

usu. i would take one role all the way to the end. very hard to mentally change from stud to slut and slut to stud. my experience also is that there's a lot of interruption. for the bottom to top role (at least for me) i get quite flaccid, if half way need to get hard again, need some work there : ) and also for the top to botom, need to work on his lovehole, lubbing and stretching etc. At the end of the day, if i am bottom, and has reached that stage where my whole ass is one melted zone of pleasure, i wldn't want to do anything but be fu.ked harder and harder. and if i am top, i get to a stage where i just want to punish the bottom and pump and pump and unload.

actually, what is more pleasurable is gangbang. either the only bottom, or part of the gang. :thumb: