Discussion On Planes & Aviation

[Enelym1978]

Mhhhh from what I know Concorde was only operated by Air France and British Airways

[mijsdlog]

Mhhhh from what I know Concorde was only operated by Air France and British Airways

For some time in the late 1970s, BA co-operated with SQ on the LHR-BAH-SIN route. The Concorde that was used for this route was painted in SQ colors on one side. But, strictly speaking, yes the aircraft was registered to and operated by BA.

If I remember correctly, Braniff (defunct U.S. airline) also leased the Concorde for a period of time.

[MeowPrince]

oops that makes me ancient. OMG!

Yes unker....  heheheh!

 

 

 

The SQ/BA Concord.

[Phil]

Nice pics, MeowPrince!

It was really a beautiful aircraft.

[Phil]

For some time in the late 1970s, BA co-operated with SQ on the LHR-BAH-SIN route. The Concorde that was used for this route was painted in SQ colors on one side. But, strictly speaking, yes the aircraft was registered to and operated by BA.

If I remember correctly, Braniff (defunct U.S. airline) also leased the Concorde for a period of time.

You are right, mijsdlog.

This was long ago...

[Marineboy]

You are right, mijsdlog.

This was long ago...

 

BTW I am sure you guys already know they flight crew are from BA and they use the cabinCrew from SQ...

Its a really beautiful plane even for today.

I also heard when BA was decommissioning the concorde...Richard Branson offered to buy the last few concords to keep them in the skies. But at just 1 british pound each hahaha

[Guest Thomaas]

it looks good from outside but the A34X series are getting a bit old and worn out in the inside... Airlines usually will not refurb them because it's known to be a non fuel efficient aircraft...

 

The new wide bodies which are better with fuel are the A380, B787 and even the B777. Airbus is coming now with the A350 

 

 

I still think the good old B747 looks gracious and imposing.

 

 

The newer planes like the Airbus A350 , Boeing 787 Dream (then nightmare ) liner both have a body that consist of more than 50% composite material like Carbon Fibre reinforced plastic and  some critical body parts have used extensively light weight but strong materials like carbon composites.

 

The airbus A380 have lesser in percentage in the body to be consisting of composites , some have put the figure around 22% of body weight is composites for the A380 ( correct me if i got it wrong).

 

Now , there are a lot of engineering studies put on the internet , that argues that this new material is something new, and we only just begin to understand its structural properties only recently recently through a lot in lab test to see if the material can withstand the stresses of repeated landings and pressure and temperature changes.

 

These material have high strength. light weight and rigidity. But under some conditions the carbon fibers that are layered criss crossed and glued together using special glues and laminates , and then baked in a large vacuum oven to cure, can fail without warning and unpredictably , and in some spectacular cases may cause structural failure.

 

 

The arguments given,  is primarily, the carbon fiber structures , no matter how tightly wrapped and woven and layered will always have gaps between the structures and layers, within the lattices, so in the long term when water molecules, which is ever present in our atmosphere, gets into the gaps during landing and ascending , the water molecules changes physically from gas to liquid to solid when it forms ice at the high altitude during low temperature , the ice will expand in size, therefore exert a force on the carbon fiber layers , and repeated landings and ascend will repeat this process, such that the layers will slowly delaminate and come apart, how soon and how much it will come apart , remains an unknown . this is what i understand from reading those articles published by claimed structural engineers. It sounds logical to me. For aviation enthusiast, this may be interesting for you to read more.

 

 

Could this be one of the reasons that our national carrier, decided not to include an on board shower in the F Class section , unlike the Middle east carrier providing two shower rooms in their A380 ?  Can you imagine , how much water vapor is released into the plane cabin when all the passengers in first class takes their assigned 5 minutes hot water shower at 30,000 feet in the sky . LOL

 

 

Secondly, it was also proposed that carbon fiber composite body panel have different behaviour when you want to repair and patch a part of the plane that needs to be repaired. the research and findings show that unlike aluminium panels and metal parts, composite cannot be normally drilled drill hole and riveted together. when the composites are drilled . it tends to fray the fibers around the hole area, and lead to compromised strength, and when there is a hole or small crack in the composite, it is also hard to predict how the hole will spread and get wider.

 

So in conclusion these new materials , maybe new ( is it good to be new ?) structurally rigid, strong, but can be compromised in a still not understood way.

 

 

For example, in the cargo and luggage hold area, there is a lot of stepping on by hard shoes, dragging of luggage pallets, cargo pallets, and whatever that is in the cargo hold , gets knocked on the walls , doors, and floor by whatever is on top of them.

 

It is possible that small dents and knocks may cause a hole in the composite areas, you can't expect workers to be light handed when nowdays planes need to be turned around in the shortest time.

 

 

Aluminium airplane fuselage materials have a more understood structural fatigue pattern so the planes have a planned repair and inspectio n schedule.

 

an article from canada, one of the leading countries producing composite airplane parts.

 

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Composite-Materials-Makes-Flight-Dangerous-71762.shtml

 

Composite carbon fiber materials are traditionally used to manufacture strong, lightweight components, which can be used at aircraft fabrication. But the tests which are made to detect the so-called material fatigue might not be so conclusive as previously thought. Studies regarding the 'tap test', which should reveal any imperfections in the material, suggest that this technique cannot detect small flaws that could pose serious security issues for the airplane industry.

The tests used to detect material fatigue have been imposed as routine checks that must be made at certain time intervals to ensure that the components are in perfect condition and do not pose any danger to the aircrafts. The basic test involves gently taping the surface of a component, such as a tailplane or a rudder and listen for any change in the pitch of the reflected sound. It is supposed to reveal any gaps in the layers of the composite material, which might come apart, but according to the Canadian air-safety investigation board, TSB,

 

the small gaps which could later grow, remain mostly undetected.

The study comes as a result of an investigation of an aircraft incident which took place almost two years ago, when an Airbus A310 lost in middle of the flight its rudder made out of a carbon composite material, during a routine flight from Cuba to Canada. Eventually the aircraft landed safely, due to the pilot's skill, who was able to stabilize the airplane and fly it using the remaining functional controls.

The simulation of the incident showed that the airplane executed a so-called Dutch roll, due to the fact that the 8.2 meter rudder started vibrating uncontrollably, as a result of a serious damage. However, because the weather conditions were ideal, the investigators studying the incident started to suspect that the tail composite component might have presented certain flaws that hadn't been detected during the last service checks.

Experiments of already damaged A310 rudders and other components, which were placed in airless chambers revealed that the minor damages that were already present, almost doubled their surface area, while experiencing violent pressure changes. The experiment replicated the changes in pressure, similar to those an airplane would be exposed to while flying at certain altitudes.

The test conducted by the tap method concluded that the component is completely safe, however after repeated cycles of pressure changes, the rudders eventually blew up, losing most of their strength and stiffness, fluttering and breaking up.

The results of this research come as a shock for the aircraft companies which have invested large amounts of money in the development of aircrafts, with fuselages made completely out of composite materials.

Both major passenger aircraft manufacturers, Boeing and Airbus, plan to launch composite aircrafts such as the Boeing designed 787 Dreamliner which is expected to be operational by 2008 and Airbus' A350 in 2012. None of them uses other tests, aside from the tap test, to verify the composite-made components.

 

 

don't flame me, okay you guys.

[mijsdlog]

BTW I am sure you guys already know they flight crew are from BA and they use the cabinCrew from SQ...

Its a really beautiful plane even for today.

I didn't really know about this at that time. I only read about the venture years after it had concluded; it didn't last more than a couple of years, right? It's logical that the flight crew were BA staff. Was the flight SQ-coded all the way? Or was it BA-coded LHR-BAH and then SQ-coded BAH-SIN(QPG)? Or did codesharing already exist in those days?

[schmuckisms]

time will tell when we get to the C-checks for the 787. but so far things seem good, no issues like the Comet yet (alloys!!! lol)

 

and the A380 shower thing is probably not because of vapor; it would be relatively easy to cool down with bleed air/internal air conditioning and then disposed of. 

 

 

Also, I think airlines can fly A340- just that they can't do them on the ultra longhaul routes that the 340 has an exclusive niche on. MNL-LAX still runs on a 340 as far as I know, so does PVG- US western seaboard.

Edited May 19, 2013 by schmuckisms

[MeowPrince]

Carbonfibre Reinforced Polymers - not something new.  Been in used in other forms of construction, including buildings and ships.  IIRC, it was tested in underground bunkers in a US base, and was one of the options for building underground storage caverns including those our dear Sg is looking at. 

 

As for on-board showers, well, Emirates did choose to go the fancy way.  And the problems they faced was not attributed to hot vapour.  Wasn't it reported somewhere that the issue was their wiring been "watered" by the shower or something like that? 

 

And if anyone remembers - when the first metal planes were build, they were subject to derision as well, since the initial planes were wooden!  So give technology a chance.  "Researchers" always have things to say - positive and negative.  Its learning to look at both with a bit of cynicism and common sense that makes us better as a human.

[Guest Traveller]

RE Emirates Showers

Probably the cost of having to carry all that additional water for 1st class passengers to have a shower (water is heavy, increases fuel consumption, fuel now very expensive) is the main though unspoken reason why Emirates is stopping with the showers. Citing technical reasons is a good excuse that most people will happily believe, but the fact is that many private jets have on-board showers and don't have the same problems. Can't believe that they couldn't solve a technical problem

[Guest Fan]

I came across these 2 videos.

Documentary : Air Crash Investigations on SQ006 and SilkAir 185.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtrpDkFGShI

 

 

Hope you guys like it.

 

[Guest mousta]

Emirates airlines is still providing two shower spas for first class passengers who flies the A380 on Emirates.

 

http://www.emirates.com/au/english/flying/cabin_features/first_class/first_class.aspx

 

Take a shower and have a spacious spa to relax and breathe the aromatherapy oils provided but every passenger is given 5 minutes to shower.

 

[Guest naotsuki]

So fun. FINNAIR. Ground crew gives passenger to Delhi , a grand sendoff doing a Bollywood dance number.

 

What can Singapore Airlines do to out dance the Finns.

 

 

 

Maybe our local standup comedian Kumar can choreograph one for SIA.

[MeowPrince]

I also heard when BA was decommissioning the concorde...Richard Branson offered to buy the last few concords to keep them in the skies. But at just 1 british pound each hahaha

Haha.  Then spend the rest of the money maintaining the plane? 

Still, the concordes are pretty.  Delta wing designs makes me think French Mirages.  Of course the Israelis and Swedes also have/had deltas....

[Marineboy]

Haha.  Then spend the rest of the money maintaining the plane? 

Still, the concordes are pretty.  Delta wing designs makes me think French Mirages.  Of course the Israelis and Swedes also have/had deltas....

 

More like Mr Branson likes to tease BA as much as Mr Fenandes likes to do likewise on SQ.....

[Phil]

Haha.  Then spend the rest of the money maintaining the plane? 

Still, the concordes are pretty.  Delta wing designs makes me think French Mirages.  Of course the Israelis and Swedes also have/had deltas....

Right... The economic problem was the cost of maintenance and maintaining airworthiness.

About delta wings, this aircraft was designed like a combat aircraft (and the olympus engines were derived from a British bomber). I was beautiful...

[MeowPrince]

Right... The economic problem was the cost of maintenance and maintaining airworthiness.

About delta wings, this aircraft was designed like a combat aircraft (and the olympus engines were derived from a British bomber). I was beautiful...

Yes, the deltas are such pretty pretties....  Mirage5, Mirage2000, and there's the Draken, Viggen, Kfir.... *drools*... and of course the flying delta B2.... hehehe.

[Phil]

Yes, the deltas are such pretty pretties....  Mirage5, Mirage2000, and there's the Draken, Viggen, Kfir.... *drools*... and of course the flying delta B2.... hehehe.

And the new French "Rafale", not much exported yet...

[MeowPrince]

And the new French "Rafale", not much exported yet...

Ahhh yes, Dassault Rafale.  That's the prettiest IMO.  Not as bulky-looking as the Eurofighter Typhoon. 

[Phil]

Ahhh yes, Dassault Rafale.  That's the prettiest IMO.  Not as bulky-looking as the Eurofighter Typhoon. 

You are right, but the Rafale has the best-looking design and shapes (sorry, I'm French... ).

[sgbotl]

The newer planes like the Airbus A350 , Boeing 787 Dream (then nightmare ) liner both have a body that consist of more than 50% composite material like Carbon Fibre reinforced plastic and  some critical body parts have used extensively light weight but strong materials like carbon composites.

 

The airbus A380 have lesser in percentage in the body to be consisting of composites , some have put the figure around 22% of body weight is composites for the A380 ( correct me if i got it wrong).

 

Now , there are a lot of engineering studies put on the internet , that argues that this new material is something new, and we only just begin to understand its structural properties only recently recently through a lot in lab test to see if the material can withstand the stresses of repeated landings and pressure and temperature changes.

 

These material have high strength. light weight and rigidity. But under some conditions the carbon fibers that are layered criss crossed and glued together using special glues and laminates , and then baked in a large vacuum oven to cure, can fail without warning and unpredictably , and in some spectacular cases may cause structural failure.

 

 

The arguments given,  is primarily, the carbon fiber structures , no matter how tightly wrapped and woven and layered will always have gaps between the structures and layers, within the lattices, so in the long term when water molecules, which is ever present in our atmosphere, gets into the gaps during landing and ascending , the water molecules changes physically from gas to liquid to solid when it forms ice at the high altitude during low temperature , the ice will expand in size, therefore exert a force on the carbon fiber layers , and repeated landings and ascend will repeat this process, such that the layers will slowly delaminate and come apart, how soon and how much it will come apart , remains an unknown . this is what i understand from reading those articles published by claimed structural engineers. It sounds logical to me. For aviation enthusiast, this may be interesting for you to read more.

 

 

Could this be one of the reasons that our national carrier, decided not to include an on board shower in the F Class section , unlike the Middle east carrier providing two shower rooms in their A380 ?  Can you imagine , how much water vapor is released into the plane cabin when all the passengers in first class takes their assigned 5 minutes hot water shower at 30,000 feet in the sky . LOL

 

 

Secondly, it was also proposed that carbon fiber composite body panel have different behaviour when you want to repair and patch a part of the plane that needs to be repaired. the research and findings show that unlike aluminium panels and metal parts, composite cannot be normally drilled drill hole and riveted together. when the composites are drilled . it tends to fray the fibers around the hole area, and lead to compromised strength, and when there is a hole or small crack in the composite, it is also hard to predict how the hole will spread and get wider.

 

So in conclusion these new materials , maybe new ( is it good to be new ?) structurally rigid, strong, but can be compromised in a still not understood way.

 

 

For example, in the cargo and luggage hold area, there is a lot of stepping on by hard shoes, dragging of luggage pallets, cargo pallets, and whatever that is in the cargo hold , gets knocked on the walls , doors, and floor by whatever is on top of them.

 

It is possible that small dents and knocks may cause a hole in the composite areas, you can't expect workers to be light handed when nowdays planes need to be turned around in the shortest time.

 

 

Aluminium airplane fuselage materials have a more understood structural fatigue pattern so the planes have a planned repair and inspectio n schedule.

 

an article from canada, one of the leading countries producing composite airplane parts.

 

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Composite-Materials-Makes-Flight-Dangerous-71762.shtml

 

Composite carbon fiber materials are traditionally used to manufacture strong, lightweight components, which can be used at aircraft fabrication. But the tests which are made to detect the so-called material fatigue might not be so conclusive as previously thought. Studies regarding the 'tap test', which should reveal any imperfections in the material, suggest that this technique cannot detect small flaws that could pose serious security issues for the airplane industry.

The tests used to detect material fatigue have been imposed as routine checks that must be made at certain time intervals to ensure that the components are in perfect condition and do not pose any danger to the aircrafts. The basic test involves gently taping the surface of a component, such as a tailplane or a rudder and listen for any change in the pitch of the reflected sound. It is supposed to reveal any gaps in the layers of the composite material, which might come apart, but according to the Canadian air-safety investigation board, TSB,

 

the small gaps which could later grow, remain mostly undetected.

The study comes as a result of an investigation of an aircraft incident which took place almost two years ago, when an Airbus A310 lost in middle of the flight its rudder made out of a carbon composite material, during a routine flight from Cuba to Canada. Eventually the aircraft landed safely, due to the pilot's skill, who was able to stabilize the airplane and fly it using the remaining functional controls.

The simulation of the incident showed that the airplane executed a so-called Dutch roll, due to the fact that the 8.2 meter rudder started vibrating uncontrollably, as a result of a serious damage. However, because the weather conditions were ideal, the investigators studying the incident started to suspect that the tail composite component might have presented certain flaws that hadn't been detected during the last service checks.

Experiments of already damaged A310 rudders and other components, which were placed in airless chambers revealed that the minor damages that were already present, almost doubled their surface area, while experiencing violent pressure changes. The experiment replicated the changes in pressure, similar to those an airplane would be exposed to while flying at certain altitudes.

The test conducted by the tap method concluded that the component is completely safe, however after repeated cycles of pressure changes, the rudders eventually blew up, losing most of their strength and stiffness, fluttering and breaking up.

The results of this research come as a shock for the aircraft companies which have invested large amounts of money in the development of aircrafts, with fuselages made completely out of composite materials.

Both major passenger aircraft manufacturers, Boeing and Airbus, plan to launch composite aircrafts such as the Boeing designed 787 Dreamliner which is expected to be operational by 2008 and Airbus' A350 in 2012. None of them uses other tests, aside from the tap test, to verify the composite-made components.

 

 

don't flame me, okay you guys.

 

 

I'm sure Boeing (and Airbus) have done due diligence on the use of composites. Remember reading that most of 787's the cost savings comes from reduce increased maintenance intervals rather than weight savings which means the fuselage is probably over-engineered? It's just a guess though. As for Airbus, they chose to go with composite panels but it remains to be seen who's approach is better.

 

A350-900 first flight at Paris Air Show! 

[Guest Guest]

Hi guys,

 

Never knew that such a thread exists and I'm amazed that there are quite a number of aviation enthusiasts!

 

(Commercial) Aviation has been a favorite pastime and hobby of mine since young, and so is models collecting. I'm collecting mostly 500 scales and recently acquiring the 400 scales, largely based on the actual aircrafts that I fly with. Most of them are in their boxes and I don't have pictures, but a list of my collection is listed at http://www.wings900.com/modeldatabase/mycollection/collection-469.html

 

I reckon a few of you plane spot, and I do that with Flightradar24 and LiveATC turned on. Kinda difficult at this time of the year since traffic comes in alternating between 02 and 20. Probably Changi Beach would be a good place tomorrow late afternoon. Anyone keen to spot?

[mijsdlog]

A350-900 first flight at Paris Air Show! 

It took place at the Airbus facility in Toulouse.

Nice aircraft. Can't wait to see what new features they propose for the interior.

[Enelym1978]

Yeah they said they might not be ready for the Bourget Air Show this year.

It's a nice looking plane. Love the wing tips. The wing shape is very similar to the Dreamliner. Makes the plane look more elegant.

Airbus' video of their interior doesn't look too impressive or fancy. I don't even think they have larger windows like on the 787.

[mijsdlog]

Yeah they said they might not be ready for the Bourget Air Show this year.

It's a nice looking plane. Love the wing tips. The wing shape is very similar to the Dreamliner. Makes the plane look more elegant.

Airbus' video of their interior doesn't look too impressive or fancy. I don't even think they have larger windows like on the 787.

I just checked out the site. I agree, the wow factor isn't there; and why did they even show a front cabin without any overhead bins. The 787 impresses with the large and self-darkening windows.

[vox_xxxtreme]

Hi guys,

Never knew that such a thread exists and I'm amazed that there are quite a number of aviation enthusiasts!

(Commercial) Aviation has been a favorite pastime and hobby of mine since young, and so is models collecting. I'm collecting mostly 500 scales and recently acquiring the 400 scales, largely based on the actual aircrafts that I fly with. Most of them are in their boxes and I don't have pictures, but a list of my collection is listed at http://www.wings900.com/modeldatabase/mycollection/collection-469.html

I reckon a few of you plane spot, and I do that with Flightradar24 and LiveATC turned on. Kinda difficult at this time of the year since traffic comes in alternating between 02 and 20. Probably Changi Beach would be a good place tomorrow late afternoon. Anyone keen to spot?

I do plane spotting at changi village. Let's spot some time!

[WeiKang DunSayOut]

Me I love plane a lot!

[MeowPrince]

Haiz.  Repost up what was lost with the server throwback. 

 

 

 

 

[MeowPrince]

And some of the warbirds I had promised Phil....

 

 

[Phil]

Thanks, MeowPrince.

Wonderful pics.

I was not very good at identifying them ... I was expecting some help from Marineboy!

[MeowPrince]

Thanks, MeowPrince.

Wonderful pics.

I was not very good at identifying them ... I was expecting some help from Marineboy!

LOL!  I believe he'll be too occupied with lunch with me!

From top downwards, but not including the Hellcat which you had gotten right the last time....

 - Luftwaffe Eurofighter Typhoon

 - Russian Su35

 - Mig 35

 

 - Tupolev Tu160 Blackjack

[Phil]

LOL!  I believe he'll be too occupied with lunch with me!

From top downwards, but not including the Hellcat which you had gotten right the last time....

 - Luftwaffe Eurofighter Typhoon

 - Russian Su35

 - Mig 35

 

 - Tupolev Tu160 Blackjack

Thanks a lot, I made many mistakes.

How was (or "will be") the lunch?

[MeowPrince]

How was (or "will be") the lunch?

 

Ahhh... one topic at lunch today....

 

The other....

(ok, this was texted over after, but still....)

 

Hahahaha.

 

And just for you Phil, Gripens, courtesy of the SAAF

[Phil]

Thanks for the SAABs , MeowPrince, and the A380 too...

I hope that watching and shooting all that left you enough time for enjoying your lunch!

[Phil]

Airlines from the Gulf / emirates are buying lots of football clubs in Europe...

[MeowPrince]

Some less commonly seen birds

 

 

[xoxo77]

Airlines from the Gulf / emirates are buying lots of football clubs in Europe...

Emirates:  AC Milan, Arsenal, Hamburger SV, New York Cosmos, Paris Saint-Germain,Real Madrid and Benfica

Etihad: Manchester City F.C.

Qatar Airways:  FC Barcelona, Αnorthosis Famagusta FC

[xoxo77]

Some less commonly seen birds

 

 

The V Australia B777-3ZGER is being repainted into new livery of Virgin Australia.

[MeowPrince]

Another couple more for the lovin'.... hehe

 

[jeffrysky]

Another couple more for the lovin'.... hehe

 

 

Amazing ! How did you get those views of the apron ?

Singapore Changi is getting really dismal for spotting .. The airports at Hong Kong and Amsterdam are the gold-standards for spotters = unobstructed 360 degree view of the tarmac , apron and runway action  

[Guest Jason]

Herpa lovers,

Followings are all the Herpa diecast (scale 1:500) am offering. All of them come with original box.

01. American Airlines Boeing 777-200

02. American Airlines Boeing 737-800

03. Air Canada Boeing 747-400

04. Air Niugini Airbus 300B4

05. Air Niugini Airbus 300B4

06. Asiana Boeing 747-400

07. Alitalia "Baci" Boeing 747-200

08. British Airways "Hong Kong" Boeing 777-200

09. British Airways "Japan" Boeing 767-300

10. British Concord

11. China Airlines MD-11

12. China Airlines Airbus 340-300

13. China Airlines Boeing 737-800

14. China Airlines Boeing 747-400

15. Continental Airlines Boeing 727-200

16. Crossair "McPlane" MD-83

17. Emirates Airbus 310-300

18. EVA Air MD-11

19. EVA Air Boeing 767-300ER

20. EVA Air Boeing 747-400

21. FedEx Airbus 300-600

22. Hamburg Airlines Dash8-300

23. Lufthansa "Russelsheim" Airbus 319-100

24. Lufthansa "Star Alliance" Airbus 340-200

25. Mandarin Airlines MD-11

26. Mandarin Airlines Boeing 747-400

27. Qantas Boeing 747-SP

28. Thai Airways Boeing 747-700

29. Western Pacific Airlines "The Simpsons" Boeing 737-300

30. TNT Boeing 727-200F

As you can see, some of these planes are limited edition pieces. Am asking for SGD1200 for all, average of SGD40 for each plane. Kindly consider my offer and revert.

Thank you.

Jason

[Channing]

why suddenly it is so quiet here?

[MeowPrince]

Sigh.  Just returned after more than a month crisscrossing Europe.  And flying short haul on their carriers made me realise how shitting Air France and Aitalia are as carriers.  In-flight service is almost nil for 2hr flights.  Whereas a similar 1h45m flight on Lufthansa was such a stark difference.  The latter actually had flight attendants who give a damn about service!  I actually got served food and a choice of drinks!  Phail.

[Guest Guest]

My greatest fear on board flights is the plane suddenly disintegrate or come apart in midair. Anybody with the same fear or is it just me alone? How realistic is this fear? Seems not very likely based on what I read on the internet but the fear remains.

[Marineboy]

The good thing you wont suffer long...its most unlikely you can survive this.

Besides if it happens on high altitudes  just within seconds you will knocked out due hypoxia.

I think its more scary to be floating in the vast ocean waiting for a shark or its likes to have you for a meal :oops:

 

Sorry to sound crude here

[Phil]

The good thing you wont suffer long...its most unlikely you can survive this.

Besides if it happens on high altitudes  just within seconds you will knocked out due hypoxia.

I think its more scary to be floating in the vast ocean waiting for a shark or its likes to have you for a meal :oops:

 

Sorry to sound crude here

Quite right!

And the probability of sudden disintegration lower than dying in a car crash going to the airport, but with the car, you might not die immediately...

In addition, the airline responsibility insurance will be much more interesting for your heirs.

[Marineboy]

Remember SQ6? Taipei crash?

Each death was compensated to the tune of US$400,000

High flyers get out of court settlement

Its the highest ever in the history of airline compensation.

 

Still people are always greedy..one wanted to double claim for pregnant case. I would support if they paid for 2 tickets :yuk:

 

Then someone wrote an article...A great way to Die

He mentioned that if he were to die in an aircrash...he would choose.............I think you can figure that out :smokin:

[MeowPrince]

Hmmm... a very cute little plane in Star Alliance livery behind the larger Swiss A320/319...

 

Edited December 2, 2013 by MeowPrince

[Guest Guest]

Remember SQ6? Taipei crash?

Each death was compensated to the tune of US$400,000

High flyers get out of court settlement

Its the highest ever in the history of airline compensation.

 

Still people are always greedy..one wanted to double claim for pregnant case. I would support if they paid for 2 tickets :yuk:

 

Then someone wrote an article...A great way to Die

He mentioned that if he were to die in an aircrash...he would choose.............I think you can figure that out :smokin:

 

whenever i'm waiting to board, i've always this uneasy thot that something might happen ... there's this sense of vulnerability being so high up in the air in a flying metal cylinder ... am i weird or what? Does the thot ever cross ur minds too?