Singapore's LGBTQ News & Section 377A Discussion (compiled)

[Guest mai luan luan lai kum]

On 9/16/2018 at 9:18 PM, Steve5380 said:

 

Yes, You Are An Idiot,   you are indeed an idiot.  You didn't take the care to investigate the situation in countries that have legalized same-sex marriage.  None of your alarmist warnings has become reality.  Look at The Netherlands after nearly 20 years of legal same-sex marriage:  heteros live in peace while homos live in peace,  none taking anything away from the other.   

 

And one explanation is simple:  we LGBTs are a small minority in the population.  How can equal rights passed on to a, say, 5% minority affect the social stability and economy of a progressive country?   You have let yourself be brain-washed with the false arguments of the religious conservatives!

 

you speak as though you are the one running the country i mentioned. 

 

anyone can see who the big idiot is. 

 

You dont live here and you dont have a stake in the f uture of singapore.

 

When Singapore is under threat will you take up arms to defend Singapore and lay down your life to save a fellow Singaporean. 

 

 

So DON'T TALK LIKE YOU KNOW Singapore, and that you know what is best for Singapore. 

You dont . you are just a tourist like any other, coming in for cheap sucks and cheap fucks.

 

Worse of all, you want to bring in leftist, Politically correct but oh so toothless ideas and always talking about being equal and treating equal. 

 

there are important priorities and nationally important issues.

 

same sex marriage is not a national priority.

[Guest Hard truths]

2 hours ago, Guest Yes said:

Good! Or china where it is even more politically and socially repressive. The Xi government is now cracking down on christians rightly accusing them of eroding chinese traditions and security threats. They can then rightfully kpkb they kena targeted this time.

 

Peace will then be restored and Singaporeans can breathe easier with “western influenced” troublemakers gone.

 

No, surely we don't want them to be persecuted, knowing how it feels like to be at the receiving end? Life is short and we do want them to have all the happiness in life even if they try so hard to deprive others of their own happiness. China does not criminalise gay sex anyway so they will be happier in a country whose laws align more with their own values and life philosophies.

 

Then again, who knows, maybe they are working so hard to retain 377A precisely so that they don't have to move to one of these 73 countries given that the options are looking less and less attractive. 

[Guest PAN JIN LIAN]

3 hours ago, Nightingale said:

We are not jumping into same sex marriage yet. 

 

 

Yep, Nightingale, you said it yourself,  the yet part identifies it self 

 

LOUD AND CLEAR,   there is an agenda to have same sex marriage , once equality is legislated.

 

Thank you for blowing the submarine hiding underwater into the surface.

 

Thank you , thank you , thank you, now I see , the yet was there all along.

[Guest dinky]

4 hours ago, Nightingale said:

 

Why so much bitterness?  Or is it jealousy?  You mean one has to live in Malaysia in order to comment on 1MDB issues or Malaysian politics?  Must one have a stake in the future in USA in order to criticise Trump’s policies?  And should commentators, journalists and observers be obliged to take up arms to defend citizens in Malaysia or USA if they wish to speak on their affairs?

 

 

So you do know what is best for Singapore?  Why do you assume Steve does not know about Singapore and is just an average tourist coming in for cheap sucks and fucks?  Why can’t we have an intellectual discussion on something that concerns us?

 

 

We are not jumping into same sex marriage yet.  All we ask is equality through abolishing 377A first.  Whether homos want to get married or not, it’s their private business.  377A not a national priority?  Here’s an analogy – Your thumb is swollen with a nasty infection.  The pain is so great that you can’t sleep well and can’t concentrate in doing work.  You are finally admitted into a hospital.  You wait for 4 days but have been only receiving painkillers.  You ask the doctor why no operation.  The doctor says there are patients with life-threatening situations and have to be treated first.  Your case is not a priority.  Another 4 days pass.  You ask the doctor again.  He gives the same answer – there are newly admitted patients with urgent cases.  You are not a priority.  Meanwhile, your thumb festers and is turning black.  And you still are being charged hospitalization fees.  How would you feel?  Do you want to wait for another week?

 

Bad counter argument leh, firstly you can always get a second or third opinion from doctor B or doctor C if being neglected by doctor A, 

 

secondly, one can always go see a private hospital if one can afford it if public hospital is not up your alley when it comes to attentiveness.

 

thirdly , you are comparing a life and death situation of a medical emergency ( swollen thumb with nasty infection) with some intangible as in the right to decide a personal choice, which is acting on an urge,

 

the fact that you Nightingale can type a reply means you have survived all these years and might I say , flourished , and managed to live confortably and save a nest egg for your retirement from your job in the teaching profession despite there being S377A  around, it did not impede your life style, it did not make you live shorter, despite what you say.

 

So stop being also a monkey see , monkey do , 

 

since when did you also become a  

 

 for that old Steve

[Steve5380]

35 minutes ago, Guest dinky said:

 

 

 

Guest Dinky,  you look so cute in that picture of yours!

 

Nightingale has the right attitude, while some of you are so pitiful rationalizing the bad treatment by society and claiming that...   well... in spite of that you can still stay alive!

It reminds me the attitude of some fanatic female followers of one of the Abrahamic religions who don't mind living as slaves of their men and covered from hair to toe in some horrible black garbs, thinking that it is their god-given DUTY to do all that.

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Edited September 20, 2018 by Steve5380

[Steve5380]

1 hour ago, Guest PAN JIN LIAN said:

 

LOUD AND CLEAR,   there is an agenda to have same sex marriage , once equality is legislated.

 

 

If same-sex marriage is part of an equality, which it surely is,

why is pushing for it an AGENDA?

 

When you work 40 hours a week for some employer, is it an AGENDA to try to get paid?

[fab]

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/230855

 

[Guest Be reasonable]

13 minutes ago, Guest dinky said:

 

Bad counter argument leh, firstly you can always get a second or third opinion from doctor B or doctor C if being neglected by doctor A, 

 

secondly, one can always go see a private hospital if one can afford it if public hospital is not up your alley when it comes to attentiveness.

 

thirdly , you are comparing a life and death situation of a medical emergency ( swollen thumb with nasty infection) with some intangible as in the right to decide a personal choice, which is acting on an urge,

 

the fact that you Nightingale can type a reply means you have survived all these years and might I say , flourished , and managed to live confortably and save a nest egg for your retirement from your job in the teaching profession despite there being S377A  around, it did not impede your life style, it did not make you live shorter, despite what you say.

 

So stop being also a monkey see , monkey do , 

 

since when did you also become a  

 

 for that old Steve

 

There is no need to attack the person. Just let people judge your arguments. Otherwise you undermine your own credibility.

 

First, there is only one government. What second opinion are you talking about?

 

Second, as you imply, not everyone can afford private hospital, right?

 

Third, must someone die before equal rights are given? Why is someone's right to personal choice not worth fighting for even if it does't lead to life and death situation?

 

Just because someone manage to do well despite the presence of a discriminatory law against the person does not justify why the discriminatory law should be retained, right?

 

Just trying to be reasonable here.

[Guest dinky]

31 minutes ago, Steve5380 said:

 

Guest Dinky,  you look so cute in that picture of yours!

 

Nightingale has the right attitude, while some of you are so pitiful rationalizing the bad treatment by society and claiming that...   well... in spite of that you can still stay alive!

It reminds me the attitude of some fanatic female followers of one of the Abrahamic religions who don't mind living as slaves of their men and covered from hair to toe in some horrible black garbs, thinking that it is their god-given DUTY to do all that.

.

 

 

 

 

what business it is to you if some women are " who don't mind living as slaves of their men and covered from hair to toe in some horrible black garbs, thinking that it is their god-given DUTY to do all that."It is their religious right to believe what they want to believe right, even if it irritates you , they have their rights,  to choose what they wear, see you are contradicting yourself now,

 

you want your freedom to do what you want, but then you want to  restrict what women who want to follow their hearts , wear in public for their faith.

 

So now you want to become a fashion  Nazi, 

 

thank you Steve for exposing yourself as a hypocrite,

 

which some people already exposed you for what you are.

 

As an ang Moh , you all like to spread this system where the populace gang up and screw the government, to hell with the country , so long as Steve gets what he wants,

[Guest Open mind]

1 hour ago, Guest PAN JIN LIAN said:

 

Yep, Nightingale, you said it yourself,  the yet part identifies it self 

 

LOUD AND CLEAR,   there is an agenda to have same sex marriage , once equality is legislated.

 

Thank you for blowing the submarine hiding underwater into the surface.

 

Thank you , thank you , thank you, now I see , the yet was there all along.

 

But what is wrong with allowing same sex marriage? I attended so many straight couples' wedding and it's always a happy occasion. Why can't gay couples be given the same opportunity to pursue their own happiness too, if they so wish to commit to each other? Afterall, research shows that married people live happier and longer lives. Isn't that good for society? If one agrees that gays should not be discriminated against in work, housing, education and even sex, then what are the grounds really for insisting that they should not be given the right to marry, something that is so beautiful involving two persons in love? Unless one starts with the premise that gays should be discriminated against in the first place?

 

[Guest 脏子姨]

50 minutes ago, Nightingale said:

 

Is this how you portray yourself as being reasonable?

The ancient Incas, Aztecs, Mayas and many other primitive tribes believe in human sacrifice to appease their deities.  So if you were chosen as a sacrifice, would you willingly die a horrible death?  If an outsider were to save you, would you say, “What business has this got to do with you?  This is my religious right to die.”?

 

Another analogy – and I’m sure you’ve heard of the feudal Chinese custom of footbinding for females.  Would you feel that it is right for a culture to encourage deformed feet to please men despite the fact that many women were submissive or willing enough to do that?  

 

One more analogy – if there were husbands who come home drunk and beat up their wives and children violently, would you say it is not your business to help stop family violence?  Even if their wives feel it is their duty, according to custom, to remain loyal to their husbands and endure all their abuses and not to complain to the authorities, do you think this is right?  Would you close both your eyes to injustice?

YES to all

 

[Guest 椰子妹]

27 minutes ago, Guest 脏子姨 said:

YES to all

 

你是哑荡的下挖，衣服死。

烂人的泪骨。

虚构 的疯贱传奇人物。

幸会！幸会！

[Steve5380]

1 hour ago, Nightingale said:

 

Is this how you portray yourself as being reasonable?

 

 

Well... doesn't each one have the right to portray himself as reasonable?  Donald Trump does it, so why not "Guest dinky"?

 

Your three examples,  the ancient Incas, Aztecs, Mayas,  the feudal Chinese,  and the abusive husbands are all perfect fits to the issue.

Even I feel like having another word with Guest dinky...

[Steve5380]

1 hour ago, Guest dinky said:

what business it is to you if some women are " who don't mind living as slaves of their men and covered from hair to toe in some horrible black garbs, thinking that it is their god-given DUTY to do all that."It is their religious right to believe what they want to believe right, even if it irritates you , they have their rights,  to choose what they wear, see you are contradicting yourself now,

 

you want your freedom to do what you want, but then you want to  restrict what women who want to follow their hearts , wear in public for their faith.

 

So now you want to become a fashion  Nazi, 

 

thank you Steve for exposing yourself as a hypocrite,

 

which some people already exposed you for what you are.

 

As an ang Moh , you all like to spread this system where the populace gang up and screw the government, to hell with the country , so long as Steve gets what he wants,

 

dinky,  YOU like to see women living as slaves of their men and covered from hair to toe in some horrible black garbs ??

Well, maybe.  After all you like to bash gays who fight for their rights.

Me, I feel sorry for the brain washed women, who cannot restrict themselves from basking in the fantasies of shameful cults.

What is a "fashion Nazi"?

I don't have hypocrisy to expose, but I like to expose hypocrites.

And thanks for your RACIST comment, the one where I gang up and screw the government, and to hell with the country!

[heliumduck]

https://www.facebook.com/Shroffee/videos/2222103417830974/

[Guest Malaysia-answer]

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/malaysia-cannot-accept-same-sex-marriage-says-mahathir

[Guest speaking out loud]

On 9/20/2018 at 4:28 PM, Guest mai luan luan lai kum said:

 

you speak as though you are the one running the country i mentioned. 

 

anyone can see who the big idiot is. 

 

You dont live here and you dont have a stake in the f uture of singapore.

 

When Singapore is under threat will you take up arms to defend Singapore and lay down your life to save a fellow Singaporean. 

 

 

So DON'T TALK LIKE YOU KNOW Singapore, and that you know what is best for Singapore. 

You dont . you are just a tourist like any other, coming in for cheap sucks and cheap fucks.

 

Worse of all, you want to bring in leftist, Politically correct but oh so toothless ideas and always talking about being equal and treating equal. 

 

there are important priorities and nationally important issues.

 

same sex marriage is not a national priority.

 

On 9/20/2018 at 7:00 PM, Nightingale said:

 

Why so much bitterness?  Or is it jealousy?  You mean one has to live in Malaysia in order to comment on 1MDB issues or Malaysian politics?  Must one have a stake in the future in USA in order to criticise Trump’s policies?  And should commentators, journalists and observers be obliged to take up arms to defend citizens in Malaysia or USA if they wish to speak on their affairs?

 

 

So you do know what is best for Singapore?  Why do you assume Steve does not know about Singapore and is just an average tourist coming in for cheap sucks and fucks?  Why can’t we have an intellectual discussion on something that concerns us?

 

 

We are not jumping into same sex marriage yet.  All we ask is equality through abolishing 377A first.  Whether homos want to get married or not, it’s their private business.  377A not a national priority?  Here’s an analogy – Your thumb is swollen with a nasty infection.  The pain is so great that you can’t sleep well and can’t concentrate in doing work.  You are finally admitted into a hospital.  You wait for 4 days but have been only receiving painkillers.  You ask the doctor why no operation.  The doctor says there are patients with life-threatening situations and have to be treated first.  Your case is not a priority.  Another 4 days pass.  You ask the doctor again.  He gives the same answer – there are newly admitted patients with urgent cases.  You are not a priority.  Meanwhile, your thumb festers and is turning black.  And you still are being charged hospitalization fees.  How would you feel?  Do you want to wait for another week?

 

 

Nightingale: Thanks for the response. I find it always amazing that Singaporeans dare to talk and discuss overseas politics and always have an opinion on everything what happens abroad but then Singaporeans start getting agitated when foreigners discuss on Singaporean politics. If you think that foreigner should not discuss on Singaporean politics (even those living and staying here and some are here for a long time already without being Permanent Residents), then you please kindly shut up on overseas politics from other countries outside Singapore.

[mlyfunp]

19 hours ago, Guest dinky said:

 

 

 

 

what business it is to you if some women are " who don't mind living as slaves of their men and covered from hair to toe in some horrible black garbs, thinking that it is their god-given DUTY to do all that."It is their religious right to believe what they want to believe right, even if it irritates you , they have their rights,  to choose what they wear, see you are contradicting yourself now,

 

you want your freedom to do what you want, but then you want to  restrict what women who want to follow their hearts , wear in public for their faith.

 

So now you want to become a fashion  Nazi, 

 

thank you Steve for exposing yourself as a hypocrite,

 

which some people already exposed you for what you are.

 

As an ang Moh , you all like to spread this system where the populace gang up and screw the government, to hell with the country , so long as Steve gets what he wants,

 

You are the same guy who is disguising on these Guest Profiles and always attacking other people. In particular you like to attack and insult Ang Mohs.

I m not sure what lead you to that hatred, you must have such an unlucky life that you only left in insulting others and bashing other people with your nonsense. You have no manners and you don;t know what a discussion is, nor a debate.  it is so obvious that you are the same person as your line of writing is always in the same pattern.

As a moderator I would have for long time back already blocked your IP address from posting anything here at blowing wind.

I just wonder why the Moderators of Blowing Wind tolerate the repeated insulting posts from one single guy who only posts as a guest for all the time but under different guest names.

It should be an easy task for the Moderators to identify this IP address  and just block it from posting anything further.

Other apps can do that.
Or do the Moderators  of Blowing wind tolerate repeated and offensive people bashing???

Edited September 21, 2018 by mlyfunp
typo

[mlyfunp]

42 minutes ago, Guest Malaysia-answer said:

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/malaysia-cannot-accept-same-sex-marriage-says-mahathir

 

 

 

The Royal Family of Saudi Arabia has probably the same opinion and Putin for sure too.

Are the signs for early retirement for Dr. M coming up?

[Guest Ho Ho Ho]

[Steve5380]

2 hours ago, Guest Malaysia-answer said:

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/malaysia-cannot-accept-same-sex-marriage-says-mahathir

 

 

Thanks for the link,  I learned something new about Malaysia.  Quoting the article:

 

KUALA LUMPUR (REUTERS) - Malaysia cannot accept same-sex marriage or lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) rights, Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad said on Friday (Sept 21), amid growing instances of persecution of the LGBT community in the Muslim-majority country.

"In Malaysia, there are some things we cannot accept, even though it is seen as human rights in Western countries," Tun Mahathir, 93, told reporters.

"We cannot accept LGBT, marriage between men and men, women and women."

....

Two women were caned this month for "attempting lesbian sex" in Terengganu, a conservative state in the east.

Dr Mahathir denounced the punishment, saying it "did not reflect the justice or compassion of Islam".

Two women were caned this month for "attempting lesbian sex" in Terengganu, a conservative state in the east.

Dr Mahathir denounced the punishment, saying it "did not reflect the justice or compassion of Islam".

The minister in charge of Islamic affairs has also came under fire, from activists and other ruling party lawmakers, after he ordered the removal of portraits of two LGBT activists from an art exhibition.

Malaysia describes oral and anal sex as against the order of nature. Civil law stipulates jail for up to 20 years, caning and fines for offenders, although enforcement of the law is rare.

 

Too bad that Islam usually does not reflect "the justice or compassion of Islam".  Maybe this is because Islam does not have mirrors?  Otherwise, who knows what it would reflect...

What is "the order of nature",  which he claims oral and anal sex is against ???  Unless one is religious and believes in the Supernatural,  EVERYTHING is within the order of nature, we cannot escape it we want or not, since we are part of it,  both the good and the bad.

Jesus Christ allegedly WALKED ON WATER.  Anything more "against the order of nature"?  Yet, he was not canned for that.

.

 

Edited September 21, 2018 by Steve5380

[Guest Observer]

4 hours ago, Nightingale said:

Anwar:  Anti-sodomy  Laws  Archaic,  Completely  Unjust

https://sg.yahoo.com/news/anwar-anti-sodomy-laws-archaic-045612073.html

 

I always wondered whether Anwar will speak up against anti-sodomy laws after the ordeal he went through. I just got the answer.

[Guest 下体冰冰]

21 hours ago, Guest 椰子妹 said:

你是哑荡的下挖，衣服死。

烂人的泪骨。

虚构 的疯贱传奇人物。

幸会！幸会！

 

是"性会"啦!

[heliumduck]

https://www.facebook.com/toastcomics/photos/a.370155896749183/563578914073546/?type=3&theater

[Steve5380]

2 hours ago, heliumduck said:

https://www.facebook.com/toastcomics/photos/a.370155896749183/563578914073546/?type=3&theater

 

That's a great cartoon!  Divorce and Adultery are "natural" sins.  But to allow gays to be happy is totally unnatural.

Incredibly, the happiness of gays is considered by some as a sin like no others.  Here is an example:

 

https://www.desiringgod.org/articles/why-homosexuality-is-not-like-other-sins

[Guest Guest Law]

A simple solution is to force a decision. Gays in Singapore should just go file police report for committing a crime under 377A. Those who support 377A should just file police report of anyone they know who have commit the crime under 377A.

[Guest incredible india]

 

 

Alleged rape happened to a catholic nun, the offender is a religious person. How Ironic.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/indian-bishop-arrested-charges-raping-nun-n912026

 

 

KOCHI, India — A Roman Catholic bishop was arrested in the south Indian state of Kerala on Friday on charges of raping a nun, police said, a day after the Vatican accepted the bishop's request to be temporarily relieved of his duties.

There was no immediate comment from Bishop Franco Mulakkal or his lawyers — though he has denied the charges in interviews in the past.

 

 

Mulakkal, who heads the diocese of Jalandhar, wrote to the Vatican on Sunday asking to step down temporarily as protests and calls for his arrest grew. The Vatican accepted his request on Thursday.

 

"He is charged with rape," said Kochi's inspector general of police, Vijay Sakhare.

Indian bishop arrested on charges of raping nun

Bishop Franco Mulakkal, who heads the diocese of Jalandhar, wrote to the Vatican on Sunday asking to step down temporarily as protests and calls for his arrest grew.

by Reuters / Sep.22.2018 / 5:48 AM GMT+8

[Guest Idea]

13 minutes ago, Guest Guest Law said:

A simple solution is to force a decision. Gays in Singapore should just go file police report for committing a crime under 377A. Those who support 377A should just file police report of anyone they know who have commit the crime under 377A.

Good idea! If all the high ranking gays go surrender themselves or file report against each other, imagine how society is going to function if all of them goes to jail.

 

Government will be pushed to repeal 377a because the economy is going to be affected as too many elites are going to jail.

 

That was how England got theirs repealed under natural circumstances as too many aristocratic gays were caught for that “crime”.

[Steve5380]

34 minutes ago, Guest Idea said:

Good idea! If all the high ranking gays go surrender themselves or file report against each other, imagine how society is going to function if all of them goes to jail.

 

Government will be pushed to repeal 377a because the economy is going to be affected as too many elites are going to jail.

 

That was how England got theirs repealed under natural circumstances as too many aristocratic gays were caught for that “crime”.

 

Good idea!  Imagine if all the gays in the country with 377A get out of their closets and declare themselves to be gay,  then go to the police to turn themselves in for violating 377A!  This would be an immediately blow to the unjust law, which would have to be repealed....  The surprised families of the closeted gays would immediately demand equality for their gay members. There could be even a backlash for the religious organizations who demonized gays.

 

Of course this is a sweet dream!   Minorities seldom act so decisively. 

[Guest aberc]

51 minutes ago, Guest Idea said:

Good idea! If all the high ranking gays go surrender themselves or file report against each other, imagine how society is going to function if all of them goes to jail.

 

Government will be pushed to repeal 377a because the economy is going to be affected as too many elites are going to jail.

 

That was how England got theirs repealed under natural circumstances as too many aristocratic gays were caught for that “crime”.

 

10 minutes ago, Steve5380 said:

 

Good idea!  Imagine if all the gays in the country with 377A get out of their closets and declare themselves to be gay,  then go to the police to turn themselves in for violating 377A!  This would be an immediately blow to the unjust law, which would have to be repealed....  The surprised families of the closeted gays would immediately demand equality for their gay members. There could be even a backlash for the religious organizations who demonized gays.

 

Of course this is a sweet dream!   Minorities seldom act so decisively. 

 

 

One advocating staying in Singapore, the older one is staying overseas with an American passport, both promoting civil disobedience, guess who will kena hiong hiong when the courts come down hard on those poor gong gong people kena tricked into doing those things,

[Steve5380]

13 minutes ago, Guest aberc said:

 

One advocating staying in Singapore, the older one is staying overseas with an American passport, both promoting civil disobedience, guess who will kena hiong hiong when the courts come down hard on those poor gong gong people kena tricked into doing those things,

 

Civil disobedience ???

Are you a friend or a foe of gays in Singapore?

[Guest Manufactured consent]

25 minutes ago, Steve5380 said:

 

Good idea!  Imagine if all the gays in the country with 377A get out of their closets and declare themselves to be gay,  then go to the police to turn themselves in for violating 377A!  This would be an immediately blow to the unjust law, which would have to be repealed....  The surprised families of the closeted gays would immediately demand equality for their gay members. There could be even a backlash for the religious organizations who demonized gays.

 

Of course this is a sweet dream!   Minorities seldom act so decisively. 

Yeah fat chance. Unlikely scenario especially for their family members. Singapore government has “manufactured mass consents” of their citizens for all their self-interested decisions - million dollar salaried ministers - through media propaganda.

[Guest Some considerations]

If all the pinkdot participants go file a police report for violating S377A,  Singapore changi will not have enough room...hahaha.  The court will be busy looking at each case and the world will be watching how Singapore govt would react.

 

Besides, Ho Jin posting snapshot photos here and there (without putting any sensible words) doesn't mean she is supportive nor against.  Do not read her post too seriously,  she is just trying to help LHL regain some lost ground from the LGBT community. 

[Guest Pragmatism]

To think of it, actually singapore government not enforcing 377A is not out of compassion but rather practical reasons. Imagine the prison system overflowing with gays, uncontrolled mass orgys in the cells nightly will be counterproductive for the rehabilitative efforts for their crimes.

 

So in their bloody eyes gays are just uncharged criminals.

 

[Guest Politician]

4 minutes ago, Guest Pragmatism said:

To think of it, actually singapore government not enforcing 377A is not out of compassion but rather practical reasons. Imagine the prison system overflowing with gays, uncontrolled mass orgys in the cells nightly will be counterproductive for the rehabilitative efforts for their crimes.

 

So in their bloody eyes gays are just uncharged criminals.

 

That was what Lee Hsien Loong meant by the “untidiness” of the system he is prepared to live with, not because of the conservative populace but logistical nightmare in the court and prison systems dealing with all the hard-to-prove petty crimes of butt sex.

 

He is thoroughly disingenuous and sneaky and sly and dishonest in blaming singaporeans for his expediency.

[Guest So Simple]

10 hours ago, Guest Guest Law said:

A simple solution is to force a decision. Gays in Singapore should just go file police report for committing a crime under 377A. Those who support 377A should just file police report of anyone they know who have commit the crime under 377A.

 

They already said not enforcing 377A, so made report also no action taken.

[Guest Yah but]

1 hour ago, Guest So Simple said:

 

They already said not enforcing 377A, so made report also no action taken.

But many people making reports will form the impression of the police not doing their jobs..... just saying ;p

[Guest Hard truths]

The idea of having a law that is not enforced will itself make more and more educated people realize that such a position is untenable since it opens up questions of potential corruption and abuse of power by the government if one takes the position that no one is above the law, including the government.

[Guest Courty]

11 hours ago, Guest Yah but said:

But many people making reports will form the impression of the police not doing their jobs..... just saying ;p

The police didn't care, the prove is in the actual pudding (the lame dick of our Kangaroo).

[Guest Law sore]

37 minutes ago, Guest Hard truths said:

The idea of having a law that is not enforced will itself make more and more educated people realize that such a position is untenable since it opens up questions of potential corruption and abuse of power by the government if one takes the position that no one is above the law, including the government.

Lee Hsien Loong is appearing to be telling the courts what crime to and not to charge. Really can he then fault his nephew for his thoughts?

[Guest Hard truths]

2 hours ago, Guest Law sore said:

Lee Hsien Loong is appearing to be telling the courts what crime to and not to charge. Really can he then fault his nephew for his thoughts?

 

That is what dictators do, or so we  thought.

[LeanMature]

On 9/23/2018 at 8:58 AM, Guest Hard truths said:

The idea of having a law that is not enforced will itself make more and more educated people realize that such a position is untenable since it opens up questions of potential corruption and abuse of power by the government if one takes the position that no one is above the law, including the government.

 

I am more concerned about blackmail by homophobes than corruption by the government.  The Police not taking action on two consenting adults but if one party decided to lodge a report, then it is a different matter.

[mlyfunp]

On 9/17/2018 at 9:05 PM, Guest Brilliante said:

It started as an ecclesiastical law anyway, so let it be applicable to ONLY christians since they like to retain it so much.

 

Something like molesting laws can only apply to molesters. The buggery law which it originated from in England was mostly used against the clergy by the King anyway, as so many bishops and priests are such creepy homosexuals.

 

Just need to add in one word “christian” and make it 377B:

 

Any Christian male person who, in public or private, commits, or abets the commission of, or procures or attempts to procure the commission by any male person of, any act of gross indecency with another male person, shall be punished with imprisonment for a term which may extend to 2 years.

 

On 9/18/2018 at 12:09 PM, LeanMature said:

 

 

In all fairness, add in two words “christian priest" and make it 377C:

 

Any Christian priest male person who, in public or private, commits, or abets the commission of, or procures or attempts to procure the commission by any male person of, any act of gross indecency with another male person, shall be punished with imprisonment for a term which may extend to 10 years.

 

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this goes the same. Just some weeks ago we were able to read about abuse from Madrasahs in Malaysia. I m sure it goes with Buddhism, Hinduism and who knows what. Abuse and sexual exploitation is not just restricted to one religion.

 

On one hand you want the law to be repealed by mere secular reasons (in separating religion from the state laws, i.e. separating the justification for laws or abolishing laws from religious beliefs) but here you all argue with the religious backgrounds.

This is not very persuasive.

 

Please get back to searching for secular reasons to abolish 377A. that helps more...

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Just from the news today 24 Sep:

Supporting that it is not only the Christian religion that is hypocrite and abusing ...:

You can bash the Christians, but don't forget the others as the guest "history lessons" posted just last week... with 16 year old guys I wouldn't call him pedophile.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-sg/news/national/principal-of-kepong-tahfiz-nabbed-for-allegedly-sodomising-nine-students/ar-AAAv6Gr?li=BBr8Cnr

 

 

KUALA LUMPUR: The principal of a tahfiz centre in Kepong here was arrested by police yesterday on suspicion of sodomising nine of his students.  

The 30-year-old was nabbed one day after a teacher at the centre lodged a police report against him.

It is learnt that the alleged victims are aged between 11 and 16.

“The tahfiz students informed the complainant about (alleged sexual abuse) by the principal.

“The suspect is believed to have molested and sodomised all the victims, and the case is being investigated under Section 14 of the Sexual Offences Against Children Act 2017,” Kuala Lumpur deputy police chief Datuk Zainuddin Yaacop said.

 

 

 

[mlyfunp]

But it's good to see that the discussion of abolishing 377A even got into Malaysia. You can see what a tsunami effect the judgement in India had for South East Asia and other parts having inherited the English common law.

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/jamiyah-singapore-says-repealing-377a-will-do-more-harm-than-good-maruah-says-keeping-it

 

Jamiyah added that it acknowledges the "diverse and heterogeneous nature of our population" and is of the view that "we must accept and accord all individuals and groups - irrespective of sexual predispositions and orientations - human and civil rights".

 

"Forms of repression and discrimination against the LGBT community should cease and be replaced with some of the universalistic values that Islam preaches, such as kindness, acceptance of repentance and compassion."

 

But Jamiyah said 377A should not be repealed as doing so "will do more harm than good"because this has the potential to lead to "more demands", which it believes "may impair Singapore's admirable social cohesion, growth, and future progress as a nation".

 

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What I note is that the stance is getting softer. I just wonder, why decriminalising homosexual acts is always seen that Gays in Singapore will ask for Gay Marriage etc etc.

Can we concentrate on the topic.

Even the amount of gay couples adopting children is marginal in the Western world. The statistics in Europe point to the fact, that not many gays marry at all.

but nobody is asking for this here.

We just want injustice be corrected and hypocrisy (not going to be enforced argument) be removed.

 

Looks like this topic is going to govern the coming months with articles in the newspapers.

 

Easy way out: just repeal the act...

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[Guest AntiHypocrite]

Sometimes I wonder, how shameful it would be for churches in Singapore if the standards of crminialization they apply to homosexuals are applied to themselves.

 

All the LGBT community have to do is form a separate petition group called "Gays for Families" and petition to crminalize sex before marriage, adultery and divorce, which are the principal factors behind the destruction of families that they so conveniently push aside to blame homosexuals for. Homosexuals would be immune to this because marriage does not apply and it will give these hypocrites a taste of they own self-righteous medicine.

 

When the churches fail to rally to this petition, their hipocrisy, double standards and prejudice against homosexuals which they deny will be clearly exposed. Then it would be as Jesus said, take out the log from your own eye before can see how to take out the speck from your brother's eye.

 

Also for any homosexuals facing oppression from Christian groups claiming they are not harming you emotionally and mentally by enforcing your criminal status; ask them this:

 

What is the greatest Sin according to the Bible?

 

Whatever the answer they give, most likely it will be wrong. Tell them this:

 

The greatest sin in the bible is rejecting Jesus Christ. No other sin guarantees a place in hell. Can you tell me, why the church does not seek to criminalize this one sin that anybody can freely choose, but chooses to crminalize homosexuals for something they cannot choose?

 

I am a Christian and I believe practising homosexuality is wrong, but I don't believe Christians have the right to prosecute anyone for it while being free from the same standards of criminalization.

 

 

[Guest nothing different]

4 minutes ago, Guest AntiHypocrite said:

Sometimes I wonder, how shameful it would be for churches in Singapore if the standards of crminialization they apply to homosexuals are applied to themselves.

 

All the LGBT community have to do is form a separate petition group called "Gays for Families" and petition to crminalize sex before marriage, adultery and divorce, which are the principal factors behind the destruction of families that they so conveniently push aside to blame homosexuals for. Homosexuals would be immune to this because marriage does not apply and it will give these hypocrites a taste of they own self-righteous medicine.

 

When the churches fail to rally to this petition, their hipocrisy, double standards and prejudice against homosexuals which they deny will be clearly exposed. Then it would be as Jesus said, take out the log from your own eye before can see how to take out the speck from your brother's eye.

 

Also for any homosexuals facing oppression from Christian groups claiming they are not harming you emotionally and mentally by enforcing your criminal status; ask them this:

 

What is the greatest Sin according to the Bible?

 

Whatever the answer they give, most likely it will be wrong. Tell them this:

 

The greatest sin in the bible is rejecting Jesus Christ. No other sin guarantees a place in hell. Can you tell me, why the church does not seek to criminalize this one sin that anybody can freely choose, but chooses to crminalize homosexuals for something they cannot choose?

 

I am a Christian and I believe practising homosexuality is wrong, but I don't believe Christians have the right to prosecute anyone for it while being free from the same standards of criminalization.

 

 

 

it are not only the Christians who object to homosexuality. Let's get this right for once and all! please note that many lutheran West European churches speak out openly for gays.

We should leave religion out of this discussion....

[Guest AntiHypocrite]

18 minutes ago, Guest nothing different said:

 

it are not only the Christians who object to homosexuality. Let's get this right for once and all! please note that many lutheran West European churches speak out openly for gays.

We should leave religion out of this discussion....

No they're not the only ones but they are the most vocal and influential group there is. Don't forget the Laws of Singapore are founded on Judeo-Christian principles inherited from the British. If you want to play the game, you have to play it their way and beat them at it. That's why religion IS relevant in this discussion.

Only by exposing hypocrisy and double standards can you deny them the moral high ground by which they rain sugar coated venomous darts. 

[Steve5380]

4 hours ago, Guest AntiHypocrite said:

 

I am a Christian and I believe practising homosexuality is wrong, but I don't believe Christians have the right to prosecute anyone for it while being free from the same standards of criminalization.

 

 

If you are a Christian, you should value as the highest in your religion the worlds of Jesus quoted in the four gospels. Even if those four writers could have been somewhat subjective (but then if Christianity is truth the Holy Spirit would not have allowed any mistake or omission in the gospels.)

 

With the practice of homosexuality being such a big deal in the eyes of society and allegedly also in the eyes of god,  HOW YOU EXPLAIN that there is not a single word by Jesus giving judgment or guidance about it?  Would he not have condemned it himself if condemnation is warranted?

 

4 hours ago, Guest nothing different said:

 

We should leave religion out of this discussion....

 

 

This sounds awfully close to the false directive that religion should have a special status: It should deserve a privileged RESPECT and not be treated and discussed like hundreds of other topics that we have the freedom of expression to argue about.  How you explain this privilege if it is not a shield to protect religious dogmas from well deserved controversies?