Perplexed over the Malay/Chinese mix thing

[Guest Guest]

5 hours ago, Zackling said:

 

Yawnz .... this thread is not even about racism. You made it so yourself ... Next please!! 

[Steve5380]

6 hours ago, Zackling said:

 

i have a cousin who is a she married an arab guy..

 

i have causasian friends who married muslim ladies.. hey their daughters are goregously beautiful to speak & they don't look muslim to me too. 

 

 

We should not use race and religion interchangeably.  "Muslim" is a follower of the religion of Islam.  While "Arab" is a person of a particular race, of Semitic type.

 

We should not have any bias about races.  No one is responsible for belonging to a certain race.

But with religion it is different.  There are no religion genes.  An ADULT should be responsible for the religion he believes in,  although his belonging to may be the result of compulsion by a society. 

 

I have Arab and Persian acquaintances that are excellent people, of morality indistinguishable  from that of other races.  No issues with them.

But with Muslim believers it is different. I have basic disagreements with their religion, but I keep such disagreements private as long as they don't affect me.

.

 

Edited December 20, 2019 by Steve5380

[subarucap]

actually.

if young gay people don't rush into sex and relationships and just make friends without criteria for race as a preference for making friends, i think the gay community will be taken more seriously.

for example. even in harmless year end parties the "Othering" that i still experience as an adult just boggles my mind. last year was 2018. god forbid if it still happens in 2019 going into 2020.

 

harmless social gathering lei. no talk about sex. no talk about hooking up. and the whole point is to socialise but some people would prefer to limit their contact to what they view as "Safe" options / settings.

nobody likes to be "Othered" >> treated like an outsider. people just want to be part of the group.

so at the end of the day it's about social credit or social net worth... i dunno what's the correct term.

to appear higher value people try to package themselves in myriad of ways.

[subarucap]

also.

Malay is what white people choose to use to describe all people who kinda looks brown.

so i hate the term don't really like the terminology or connotation of "Malay". because of its ang moh and colonialistic roots.

if you go Philippines if not wrong they use the term Malay quite differently.

Malay as a tool by the government to make people kind forget their culture and actual roots.

There is NO MALAY culture. everything about what you see in geylang are borrowed from MANY DIFFERENT CULTURES... but the government want to make it easier for everyone by simply calling it Malay culture.

Edited December 21, 2019 by subarucap
cause saying "i hate" is unnecessarily dramatic because i don't really have a point, i'm just stating it as a matter of fact.

[fab]

racial preference is exclusive to gay community?  

 

Noted with Thanks.

[Guest mix mixed]

14 hours ago, Zackling said:

seriously..??

 

why don't you folks go read on this... the article was written by a local malay guy.. nothing sexual.. just for u folks to read & understand.

 

https://www.ricemedia.co/culture-life-malay-privileged/?fbclid=IwAR108mJx43dxr99Vj1kFBJ9lrpFw5NbS9SRToDjDpYy7V15wSdTejpVgCjc

 

just a reminder, we're all living in a multi-raical harmonical country for so long.. as for history, our forefathers went thru the racial riots issues.. so let's not go there again. 

 

i have a cousin who is a she married an arab guy.. so between my cuz & her husband, they got kids, a boy & a girl, so they're mixed.. so what?? 

my own youngest brother married an indian lady who doesn't look indian btw, she speak hell fluent chinese & 3 other languages (English, malay & 2 local dialects: mainly hokkien & cantonese).. she gave birth to 2 boys, both my nephews are chindians.. is that so surprising..??

 

i have causasian friends who married malay ladies.. hey their daughters are goregously beautiful to speak & they don't look muslim to me too. 

 

and? I don't get what you tried to say?

 

I have a personal feeling you did not understand what the topic was about....... Actually it was explained at many posts...

[Guest mix mixed]

8 hours ago, subarucap said:

also.

Malay is what white people choose to use to describe all people who kinda looks brown.

so i hate the term don't really like the terminology or connotation of "Malay". because of its ang moh and colonialistic roots.

if you go Philippines if not wrong they use the term Malay quite differently.

Malay as a tool by the government to make people kind forget their culture and actual roots.

There is NO MALAY culture. everything about what you see in geylang are borrowed from MANY DIFFERENT CULTURES... but the government want to make it easier for everyone by simply calling it Malay culture.

 

Hm. As to my knowledge the word Malay derives from the Malay word "melayu" and nothing else.

Only because the Portuguese and later the Dutch people took on the word from people who called themselves "melayu" , doesn't make it to a word created by "white people". This is totally wrong and has no support from the historical origin of the word Malay. The word "Malay" does not have any colonial roots at all.

There is no reference to see "white" people using the word "Malay" to describe people who are naturally tanned.

I m not sure, where you took this from?

 

I m surprised no Malay guy has objected to this earlier.

 

Even in Sumatera and Java the pribumi are very well aware of the "melayu" people. It refers to a tribe of people from South Sumatra. Melayu or Malayu was the name of an ancient kingdom located at the mouth of the Batang Hari, a river in Jambi South Sumatra. The original Malay had Buddhist belief and only converted later.

There is a controversy whether "melayu" refers to the "Melayu" river in Sumatra, a name which Javanese people used to call or whether it refers to the Melayu kingdom near Batang Hari.

However, the main origin is referred to as South Sumatra.

 

The "original" Filipinos are a sort of Malay tribe, they are actually Indonesian people who once in history moved to the islands in the Philippines from Indonesia.

 

As a South East Asian I think you seriously need to do some history lessons.

 

I don't think the Malay people in the region would like to hear "that there is no Malay culture".

 

You might be right to say that the "Malay village" at Geylang was more or less set up by the Government to have a tourist spot or something to represent the Malay community and it was a sort of artificial and later taken down.

Nowadays, the Malays have this Malay Heritage Center.

 

You better watch out if you say such things in Malaysia...

 

I m not sure if you are a Malay yourself, but it seems scary to me how you deny your own origins and don't even know about the real origin of the Melayu people...

 

If you had been / or are a Singaporean of other origin, it would have been quite shameful to see what limited knowledge you have about the citizens of Singapore.

 

 

[subarucap]

actually it is kind of pointless to discuss or give rebuttals because of the kind of replies i will get from my comments.

 

anyway...

 

I've done this topic to bits in sociology classes back then. so i can't really be bothered since this is obviously the worst platform for critical thinking do what you will with whatever i said above. take it out of context since that's way more easier.

also:

it is as if we're just talking about "the malay gay boys and their predisposition to identify themselves as Chn/Mly mix or Mly/Chn mix" as if the phenomenon only manifest all by itself without any other external factor.

 

and apparently nobody so far has pointed out THIS particular contributing factor.

 

i guess the bigger issue is not about colour blindness to each other's skin colour or the lack of this colour blindness.

anyway social patterns don't appear in isolation.

[Guest mix mixed]

8 minutes ago, subarucap said:

also:

it is as if we're just talking about "the malay gay boys and their predisposition to identify themselves as Chn/Mly mix or Mly/Chn mix" as if the phenomenon only manifest all by itself without any other external factor.

 

and apparently nobody so far has pointed out THIS particular contributing factor.

 

i guess the bigger issue is not about colour blindness to each other's skin colour or the lack of this colour blindness.

anyway social patterns don't appear in isolation.

 

You can't associate the word "Malay" to Caucasian colonialists, because any such statement has no justification in history or ethnic science. My intention was to correct this.

 

 

Actually, you are a very good example yourself of what the TS was talking about.

 

It would have been appreciated if you had given examples or explanations to the "contributing factors". This would have helped to understand the issues better eventually.

 

 

 

Anyhow you can always make the Forum to a better one and tease the readers with "critical thinking" or challenge our "critical thinking".

 

We are not all these non intellectual dick searching guys and some like to discuss matters of general interest.

[subarucap]

24 minutes ago, subarucap said:

it is as if we're just talking about "the malay gay boys and their predisposition to identify themselves as Chn/Mly mix or Mly/Chn mix" as if the phenomenon only manifest all by itself without any other external factor.
...
anyway social patterns don't appear in isolation.

 

no la.

i already indicated the next branch for anyone interested to think about.

[FattChoy]

30 minutes ago, subarucap said:

 

no la.

i already indicated the next branch for anyone interested to think about.

 

It could also be internal factors.  They look around their community, their uncles, their peers and want something more.   And that can apply to any community.  Nevertheless, I think more than half the people following this thread don't agree with the TS's loaded question and conclusion.  

 

*A bit off tangent but I notice a lot of posters like to start their thread with a loaded question.  For example, rather than saying, "Is the new moderator performing well?", they'd like to shoot a loaded question, like "Do you think the new moderator is a super bitch with a propensity to silence the conservative posters?"  (Just and example, not real)

[Guest Reason]

It's simple.

 

They claim to be mixed as they believe it improves their chances with chinese people.

 

A Malay profile will be skipped, without consideration. Never mind if the guy is cute, educated or has a great personality.

 

But if he puts 'mixed', he might be considered, even if its for 2 more seconds.

 

Indian gays also do this. They claim to be 'anglo-indian' or 'eurasian'.

 

 

 

[greg01greg]

@Zackling I'm not sure where you're going with this but I do appreciate your thoughts about this and that infamous article about the local Malay chap... if you want my opinion... 

just one word respond - MEH!

[Guest Azalea Iggy]

    

 

 

 

Just like Kueh Lapis steamed,  

 

 

When we have diiferent color groups joined to gether , we become a harmonious combination of different flavors and textures,

 

 

A single kueh thin layer is weak, but mixed to gether , they are in total stronger.

 

Mixxed is good, if can give equal importance to each group.

 

 

mixed race beauties,..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[fab]

5 hours ago, Guest Azalea Iggy said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Who's the taller guy?

[repressednerd]

I dated a few Malay dudes in my lifetime but a common trend in SG is that there are seemingly few Malay-Malay gay couples. One told me that he couldn't trust having a Malay partner because the person might 'go the other way' due to family pressure i.e. get married. Another told me that he couldn't visualise himself with any Malays, and was touching on xenophobic lines when he said he would never date Malays from Malaysia. So besides the discrimination taking place on the apps between races, there is also the internalised discrimination happening.

[greg01greg]

And another mixed guy  

[fab]

Y not ask

 

R u cut or uncut?

[greg01greg]

6 minutes ago, fab said:

Y not ask

 

R u cut or uncut?

ok. let me explain this to you without offending others - be it race or religion.

 

To my understanding - the Malays in general (in Singapore) perhaps are muslims I'm not going to assume all Malays are muslims.

I'm highlighting this because guys here tend to take statements out of context. So let me play the safe card here.

 

Therefore if any Malay chaps are mixed with whatever, they're cut - because of religion (which I believe so)

These days there are cut Chinese guys too .

 

So this whole thing is not about how one's penis look like 

 

 

[fab]

6 minutes ago, greg01greg said:

ok. let me explain this to you without offending others - be it race or religion.

 

To my understanding - the Malays in general (in Singapore) perhaps are muslims I'm not going to assume all Malays are muslims.

I'm highlighting this because guys here tend to take statements out of context. So let me play the safe card here.

 

Therefore if any Malay chaps are mixed with whatever, they're cut - because of religion (which I believe so)

These days there are cut Chinese guys too .

 

So this whole thing is not about how one's penis look like 

 

 

 

You can't control how others label themselves. 

 

But you do have a choice in filtering people whom you don't wish to meet.

 

[Renewables]

On 12/22/2019 at 1:49 PM, repressednerd said:

I dated a few Malay dudes in my lifetime but a common trend in SG is that there are seemingly few Malay-Malay gay couples. One told me that he couldn't trust having a Malay partner because the person might 'go the other way' due to family pressure i.e. get married. Another told me that he couldn't visualise himself with any Malays, and was touching on xenophobic lines when he said he would never date Malays from Malaysia. So besides the discrimination taking place on the apps between races, there is also the internalised discrimination happening.

Perhaps, it’s similar to asian gays partnered with angmo if living in the west - it’s demand and supply equilibrium ~ I think .

[greg01greg]

6 minutes ago, fab said:

 

You can't control how others label themselves. 

 

But you do have a choice in filtering people whom you don't wish to meet.

 

again - out of context 

this is not about control as well 

 

ok mate - I will leave that for you to ponder...

[greg01greg]

4 minutes ago, Renewables said:

Perhaps, it’s similar to asian gays partnered with angmo if living in the west - it’s demand and supply equilibrium ~ I think .

you might be right there.. 

 

so here's the thing.. I lived in Australia for a decade, I'm Asian Singaporean and I have a strong Aussie accent now - (that's what my peers claim) 

So should call myself now a mixed singaporean Australian?

[Guest Guest]

3 hours ago, fab said:

Y not ask

 

R u cut or uncut?

 

3 hours ago, greg01greg said:

ok. let me explain this to you without offending others - be it race or religion.

 

To my understanding - the Malays in general (in Singapore) perhaps are muslims I'm not going to assume all Malays are muslims.

I'm highlighting this because guys here tend to take statements out of context. So let me play the safe card here.

 

Therefore if any Malay chaps are mixed with whatever, they're cut - because of religion (which I believe so)

These days there are cut Chinese guys too .

 

So this whole thing is not about how one's penis look like 

 

 

 

 

 @greg01greg , I think you are reading too much into the various comments, of which many were just meant to pass as a stupid joke. I almost felt like you are trying to wrap your head around some kind of a PhD thesis titled "Social Study on Self-Declaration of Malay/Chinese Mix ", when this forum is just for us to talk cock, sing song, play piano, and troll around. Take it easy, will you? 

 

I think people just wants to label themselves as "mixed blooded" because children of mixed parentage tends to turn out pretty goodlooking, and such an impression can be used to easily mislead unknowing people into a one-time meet up. I suspect you may not share this impression of yourself, even though I think you really should (*wink wink* LOL). So, to these pseudo-mixed blood, it is just a "wager" of sorts, to get to meet people face-to-face at least once. If the one-time meet up turned out fine, then it's a dream come true. And if not, no DNA test was done to prove anything otherwise. It's just like some commercial false marketing, where people tell lies to get you to go to their shops just for a one-time deal, and the shops will see what else can transpire from there. 

[Guest Laissez-faire]

5 hours ago, greg01greg said:

And another mixed guy  

I do not see anything wrong with this intro. We can always cast doubt about what people may choose to lie about if they even do, about their age. their height, weight, the girth and length etc etc. If that bothers you, you have an option to ignore the profile. If we take these intro seriously, we would feel sorry for the chubs , sissy, feminine and all the scruffy guys. We are a diverse community and have to live and let live, That’s what the Singapore flags he shows symbolise. No point overanalysing this.  Would you prefer these people identify themselves as Chinese mixed Malay. Honestly how would you feel about that? Would we have a similar conversation about Chinese pretending to be mixed with Malay? Cos eventually they are as Chinese as they are Malays at least genetically. How are we to verify their claim or do we even need to.

[fab]

The Malays claiming to be Chinese mixed

 

Vs

 

TS claiming to be a Singaporean Asian

 

What's the difference?

[greg01greg]

1 hour ago, Guest Guest said:

 

 @greg01greg , I think you are reading too much into the various comments, of which many were just meant to pass as a stupid joke. I almost felt like you are trying to wrap your head around some kind of a PhD thesis titled "Social Study on Self-Declaration of Malay/Chinese Mix ", when this forum is just for us to talk cock, sing song, play piano, and troll around. Take it easy, will you? 

 

I think people just wants to label themselves as "mixed blooded" because children of mixed parentage tends to turn out pretty goodlooking, and such an impression can be used to easily mislead unknowing people into a one-time meet up. I suspect you may not share this impression of yourself, even though I think you really should (*wink wink* LOL). So, to these pseudo-mixed blood, it is just a "wager" of sorts, to get to meet people face-to-face at least once. If the one-time meet up turned out fine, then it's a dream come true. And if not, no DNA test was done to prove anything otherwise. It's just like some commercial false marketing, where people tell lies to get you to go to their shops just for a one-time deal, and the shops will see what else can transpire from there. 

In short. It’s ego boosting. I’ve established that. 
yes. This forum is just for “talk cock” 

I simply present my experiences. 
no thesis needed 

and you too don’t read much into this Mr GUEST GUEST. 

[greg01greg]

20 minutes ago, fab said:

The Malays claiming to be Chinese mixed

 

Vs

 

TS claiming to be a Singaporean Asian

 

What's the difference?

@fab I appreciate your input but you’re trying to stir the pot here. 
keep stirring and if that makes you happy - good for you. 
 

 

[Guest Laissez faire]

Do you mean ego boosting for you? Mr Guest Guest has much a right to post his analysis as you to initiate this condescending post.

[fab]

4 minutes ago, greg01greg said:

@fab I appreciate your input but you’re trying to stir the pot here. 
keep stirring and if that makes you happy - good for you. 
 

 

 

You can start a thread.

 

I can't state an opinion?

[Guest Guest]

39 minutes ago, greg01greg said:

In short. It’s ego boosting. I’ve established that. 
yes. This forum is just for “talk cock” 

I simply present my experiences. 
no thesis needed 

and you too don’t read much into this Mr GUEST GUEST. 

 

Err... no ... not "ego boosting", but just simple "marketing". "Ego boosting" may need a basis for boosting. In this case, there may be no basis at all, so it might just be "(false) marketing". 

 

I guess it is OK to present your experiences, but I think it got pretty condescending to keep bringing it up over and over again. It's almost like you are trying to bash everyone who identify themselves as "mixed", regardless their reasons. I guess you have must have been frustrated by several failed meet ups, and this thread might have been started off as a vent channel. But still .... it seems to have gotten the best of you already. Take it easy, OK? It takes all kind to make this world. So we just have to live and let live.

 

Merry Christmas. 

 

[greg01greg]

1 hour ago, fab said:

 

You can start a thread.

 

I can't state an opinion?

You can but yet again you’ve taken my opinion out of context. 
anyway I leave you to what you do best 

good night 

[greg01greg]

50 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

 

Err... no ... not "ego boosting", but just simple "marketing". "Ego boosting" may need a basis for boosting. In this case, there may be no basis at all, so it might just be "(false) marketing". 

 

I guess it is OK to present your experiences, but I think it got pretty condescending to keep bringing it up over and over again. It's almost like you are trying to bash everyone who identify themselves as "mixed", regardless their reasons. I guess you have must have been frustrated by several failed meet ups, and this thread might have been started off as a vent channel. But still .... it seems to have gotten the best of you already. Take it easy, OK? It takes all kind to make this world. So we just have to live and let live.

 

Merry Christmas. 

 

So how else you like me to respond to you? 
right. Point taken.  Thank you for your gracious insightful opinion. 
 

[greg01greg]

1 hour ago, Guest Laissez faire said:

Do you mean ego boosting for you? Mr Guest Guest has much a right to post his analysis as you to initiate this condescending post.

Right. Point taken. 
thanks.  

[FattChoy]

Oh you poor little girl. 

Got phobia of Internet mixed guys liow.

Lol....

[greg01greg]

50 minutes ago, FattChoy said:

Oh you poor little girl. 

Got phobia of Internet mixed guys liow.

Lol....

Right. Point taken.  

[Guest johnsonklt]

I hv no problem with malays,  in my work place there r a lot of mly guys.

some r mixed of mly/chn and they r quite gd looking & fair. 

some r dark or brown, yet they r still gd looking.

In fact I like mly & their food as well.

[Guest Noticing]

On 12/19/2019 at 11:26 PM, Guest 我就是我 said:

foreskin tells no lies.

 

Chinese man marries Malay wives, will need to remove foreskins. Boys born to either Malay mum or dad, will also need to remove foreskins too. 

 

Sometimes will encounter guys who look like Malay and they also confirm they have been mistaken as Malay. However, when you notice their foreskins, the truth is out. 

[Guest Noticing]

On 12/19/2019 at 11:26 PM, Guest 我就是我 said:

foreskin tells no lies.

 

Chinese man marries Malay wives, will need to remove foreskins. Boys born to either Malay mum or dad, will also need to remove foreskins too. 

 

Sometimes will encounter guys who look like Malay and they also confirm they have been mistaken as Malay. However, when you notice their foreskins, the truth is out. 

[Guest Noticing]

On 12/19/2019 at 11:26 PM, Guest 我就是我 said:

foreskin tells no lies.

 

Chinese man marries Malay wives, will need to remove foreskins. Boys born to either Malay mum or dad, will also need to remove foreskins too. 

 

Sometimes will encounter guys who look like Malay and they also confirm they have been mistaken as Malay. However, when you notice their foreskins, the truth is out. 

[Guest Noticing]

On 12/19/2019 at 11:26 PM, Guest 我就是我 said:

foreskin tells no lies.

 

Chinese man marries Malay wives, will need to remove foreskins. Boys born to either Malay mum or dad, will also need to remove foreskins too. 

 

Sometimes will encounter guys who look like Malay and they also confirm they have been mistaken as Malay. However, when you notice their foreskins, the truth is out. 

[feedersmiracle]

On 12/21/2019 at 12:31 PM, fab said:

racial preference is exclusive to gay community?  

 

Noted with Thanks.

Not prepared to see Gwen Stefani today but

Going back to topic

I think if someone wants to identify as Malay or Chinese, if they are not or partial or w/e. We can don't agree with it but we can help them identify as that since that's their identity and they decided that it is.

[Guest Guest]

i encountered few malays online. they alway say their mix, but i will tell oohh i like malay. then eventually they will admit that they are not mix hahahaha! i guess it is about them wanting to get a date outside malay circle or indo. maybe they thought they will get better market if they will say they are mix.

[Guest Observer]

4 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

i encountered few malays online. they alway say their mix, but i will tell oohh i like malay. then eventually they will admit that they are not mix hahahaha! i guess it is about them wanting to get a date outside malay circle or indo. maybe they thought they will get better market if they will say they are mix.

Some non-Malay looks like Malay and are mistaken for Malays. To confirm, can check if got foreskin or not. 

[fab]

4 minutes ago, Guest Observer said:

Some non-Malay looks like Malay and are mistaken for Malays. To confirm, can check if got foreskin or not. 

 

There are non Malay Muslims. 

 

Don't confuse race with religions.

 

 

[Behrhunter]

14 hours ago, Guest Observer said:

Some non-Malay looks like Malay and are mistaken for Malays. To confirm, can check if got foreskin or not. 

 

This should make such a good pickup line. "Can I see your foreskin?" 

 

And yes, please don't confuse race with religion. While there are regions that constitutionally enforce that Malays must be muslim but not all. So if a chinese is uncut does that automatically make him a muslim convert? 

 

I do have other thoughts in my mind to. 

 

- Does it really matter how others identify themselves? 

- How many of us are really "PURE BRED?"

- If you are dating someone, wouldn't you rather have someone who treats you well rather than be defined by his skin colour?

 

 

Edited March 26, 2020 by Behrhunter

[Guest Mixed]

My ic says im yeendian 

i did one if those dna tests and results say i have more mly and chn mixture than yeendian🙃

Outside people always ask me what mix i am, then when i tell them im yeendian they say how come im quitr fair and not dark... to keep it simple i just say im north indian 🙂

 

 

[Guest Juxtaposed Yourself]

On 3/25/2020 at 7:55 AM, Guest Observer said:

On 12/19/2019 at 11:26 AM, Guest 我就是我 said:

foreskin tells no lies.

Some non-Malay looks like Malay and are mistaken for Malays. To confirm, can check if got foreskin or not.

 

Anecdotal observation. I used to fool around with a guy who looks Malay for a few months, and I always assumed he was Malay from the moment we met at Taboo since his friends that night were all Malay, but the first time we had sex I discovered that he has foreskin. I was shocked and simply exclaimed "you're not cut," to which he only replied "no," and I decided not to further extend that conversation. To this day, I'm still not sure of his ethnicity, but it didn't really matter to me anyway because he was both cute and sexy.

[Guest guest]

 

On 3/27/2020 at 9:15 PM, Guest Juxtaposed Yourself said:

Anecdotal observation. I used to fool around with a guy who looks Malay for a few months, and I always assumed he was Malay from the moment we met at Taboo since his friends that night were all Malay, but the first time we had sex I discovered that he has foreskin. I was shocked and simply exclaimed "you're not cut," to which he only replied "no," and I decided not to further extend that conversation. To this day, I'm still not sure of his ethnicity, but it didn't really matter to me anyway because he was both cute and sexy.

 

He might be Chindian. A lot of people mentioned that Chindian people can usually pass off as Malay.

[upshot]

On 3/25/2020 at 7:00 PM, fab said:

 

There are non Malay Muslims. 

 

Don't confuse race with religions.

 

 

Correct.. I know of Chinese or other race who thinks all Malay are Muslim. Sure majority are but there are states like Sabah where there are Malay folks who are Christian or not religious.