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It was the third day of my solo trip in Taiwan, and three days of non-stop walking around was taking a toll on my body. I could feel the effects of all that exploring in every muscle, and I was in desperate need of a good massage. I’d always been intrigued by the idea of a massage where I could choose my preferred masseur, and Taiwan seemed like the perfect place to finally try it out. After a quick and refreshing shower, I leaned back on the hotel bed, reached for my phone by the bedside, and typed “gay massage in Taipei” into the browser. To my delight, there were quite a few services near my hotel in Ximen. Even better, many of them offered out-call services, so I wouldn’t even have to leave the comfort of my room if I didn’t want to. Many also offered a range of services, from hair removal and body scrubs to various types of massages. After a bit of browsing, I stumbled upon a site featuring sporty men offering pressure point, oil massage, and body-to-body services. The prices were reasonable too. One model’s portfolio caught my eye: he was younger than me, around my height at 1.72 metres, and weighed about 75 kilograms. His photos showed off a nicely muscled physique with fairly visible abs. Many comments raved about his gentle demeanour and his massage skills. What caught my attention and piqued my interest though, were comments about his, uh, impressive package. I chuckled to myself, thinking, "Well, I have to see if the reviews are true. Haha."

Shin Min Daily News 新明日报 Man molest man! A middle aged man was charged for hiding in a male's toilet and subsequently molesting a 29 year old man. The molested 29yo man was using the toilet at HDB Hub Toa Payoh when he met the molester. The molester not only watched him from the opposite cubicle, and also molested his legs by touching them through the gap below the partition. The 29 year old man was shocked and ran out of the toilet immediately. This molest case occurred in 19 Nov 2004, at around 6:30pm at Toa Payoh HDB Hub. The molester was a 44 year old man named Hong Ya Sai. He is a computer promoter. He was charged this morning in court. Hong Ya Sai was wearing a blue T-Shirt and was medium built. He faced a charge for molestation and another for peeping. He is out on bail of S$12,000. The case will be adjoured to 24 Oct 2005. According to the courts, the molestation happened at the 3rd level toilet of Toa Payoh HDB Hub.

Anyone mind sharing his juicy stories with mature guy? Can be Twink with mature or Mature with mature. Old thread is dead so thought of starting a new one.

Those who into malays do pm me here with your id will add u up. And for the malays do PM me personally in malay for malay official tele. For those malays, I be conducting jog run and after virus free bootcamp this to encourage malays to running or jog or fitness or swim or all....burn bodyfats and lose weights...hope it help pass your IPPT ah kong give free money take advantage of it. Join a few of us 4th Jog run this Friday. From heartlands to place of interest parks (canals/pavement/bridges/beach/parks/stadium) for now is 5km run normal pace objective non stopping. Let me know if you keen. You feel damn good. Fitness help give you stamina best sex best energy no need the temporary drugs or coffee or ch*ll or p*lls. If you don't fitness n take any temp stuff u cum fast haha unless you jelqing or edging.

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For those with submissive tendencies or into related kinks, what are some of the humiliating things you have done when you were horny? Once, in a moment of horny madness, I shaved off my pubic hair and used a marker to write the word "cocklet" along the length of dick. No one would see it of course, but I had to see it everytime I went to the urinal over the next two days or so until the ink faded. I remembered feeling humiliated then - humiliation at seeing the appearance of my crotch, and also a reminder that I had done this to myself when I was horny. It took a longer while for the hair to grow back, and I became very self-concious at the changing rooms for a while. More recently, I had a long stretch when I did not have the energy or time to jack off due to work pressure. One Friday when things finally calmed down, I was overwhelmed with my horniness and when I got back to my room, I stripped off all my clothes and and pulled my briefs over my face so that I could sniff the precum that had accumulated. I knelt down on the floor, hands behind my head, and set a 7-minute timer on the clock behind myself. And then I stayed in that way until the alarm rang - those were perhaps the longest 7 minutes I ever endured. I was safe in my room, but not knowing the time and whether the ordeal would end soon made me very nervous. It did not help that as I started breathing more heavily, it further moistened the brief pouch and heightned the smells that I was forced to continue inhaling. The latter probably flooded my nose hairs, because I continued smelling traces of it for the rest of the day after I had removed the briefs from face.

Calling for all Cyberjaya citizen! Let's do some fun and hang out in our town! Please do share your "fun" stories in Cyberjaya, or else you could find someone clicked in here! Break a leg!

I am currently residing in one of the condos on Bayshore Road and recently had a chance encounter while using the sauna facilities. During my visit, I noticed an individual who appeared to be a visitor, carrying a backpack using the toilet.. If by chance you see this message, please know that I found you quite cute. I'm open minded. If you're interested in connecting further, feel free to reach out directly.

Hullo bros. Saw that quite a few of threads here on the topic appears outdated. Perhaps it would be helpful for members to share their recommendations here so we can share notes and have a better idea of what is currently available in Singapore.

Always was interested in public encounters but was too scared. Any1 want to share their experience in sg. Share ur favourite/ riskiest moments.

Do you have any stories to share on kinky piss drinking or golden shower? Is there anyone interested in drinking pee? Or being sprayed w pee?

Time Should I waste my time on you who i can't control Should i waste my time on things that is of my beyond Can't we see the time that went tick tock Is this the right time or is it not? They say time flows like a stream To a land where there are many dreams But you told me you did like to be a place full of surprises and supremes There are no other choices but this is the way its seems. I do not know what to say The world is so full of grey You say I am imperfect and this I know Yet I still think you are gold I may be kind and silly but it’s not fine. Your avoidant ways clearly shows through time Time will reveal who you are And you can really be a pain in the arse Letting you go should keep you afar As there is nothing left to be my fuss Finally I can get on my path. E.T. 13.01.2019

I have been thinking for quite some time now that we have Singapore's Gay Missed Connection. Why not we make a Malaysia Edition for Malaysian gays?

Since the previous thread under Traveller's Hut is deleted by the moderator. I think will be good to set up a new thread for member-only. Will start with my first experience at Sempurna Avenue, Cheras As a therapist, it might be surprising that I never been to the famous M2M massage place. I have tried many massage centres, masseurs from the apps, even visited bbboy, and some gay saunas in the past. I first heard about Manchai at Sempurna from my client who said his massage is strong. I decided to give him a try since he is my preferred type. I asked some of the fellow bw members about him. @hornychub kindly replied and gave me his direct whatsapp contact. However, all booking still need to go through the boss. Just happened that Healthland at Sg Chua is closed today. I went there this afternoon but no one around. I have to wait for Manchai to unlocked the main door upon arrival and go up the very dark stairs. No mysejahtera or temperature scan so not suitable for those concerns with COVID-19. Renovation of third floor (due to the recent DBKL raid) is finishing but the boss asked Manchai to use the 2nd floor where some (3) staff stay at that time. Manchai used the room next to the staff common room with workout equipment. The room was air-conditioned with a mattress on the floor. Overall still acceptable but I assume very different compared to third floor (never been). Manchai is friendly and speak Cantonese but I speak mandarin to him. He used to worked at D Spa and Water Spa when he was in Singapore. His brother runs a reflexology centre in Sg when he spent a short stint there too. His hometown from Pahang - origin of Musang King. He started the massage by doing some pressing on the back and proceed with massage of the upper body using lemongrass oil before moving to the legs with good strength using his strong hand, forearm, and elbow. He attempted the batin massage from the face down position. When turned around he massaged the legs and put them on top of his while pressing around my groin area when he asked whether I want extras but I turned down. Then he continues to massage my arms. Lastly, massage on sitting position. I was a bit shocked by the strength on my shoulder blade which was a bit painful but still bearable. Before the massage end, Manchai tried to give me a final body stretch standing up. I can feel his whole body behind and his bulge (could be semi hard) despite not so positive comments on the size, which was tempting to touch but I didn't. Throughout the session he is fully clothed. Overall, I enjoyed the 1h treatment of strong proper massage and he focused on my neck, shoulder, and back as requested. RM70 is definitely value for money. Will return to try again in the future when the third floor is properly re-opened. Skill: 6.5/10 Value: 7/10 Hope @hornychub can share his previous reviews of other masseurs from Sempurna and other places under this thread.

Anyone near Raffles Place/Telok Ayer/Shenton Way for a quick fun? Working professional here in Singapore. Am 27 years old mix and discreet. Prefer Indian or Caucasian working professional. Just safe fun, handjob or cum on face. Open to married men. Let me know as I am very new to this and willing to explore. I am scared so am approaching this in careful manner! Thanks

Hi all Somehow I could no longer find the old thread of the same topic. So I have created a new thread. Let’s contribute and make Katong pool great again. To start the ball rolling, here my 1st post to this thread. Date: 29 June Time: 1-gish pm. Saw someone in black thong but he was discreet when he walked around. He had a shorts on. Wave wave Mr Thong.

CHAPTER 1 – Joey And Hank Strolling towards his parked Audi TT RS in the car park, Hank hugs Joey excitedly before saying out loud “Finally! We have graduated from senior high school, now to next stage, university!” Standing at 178cm tall, Joey looks as if he is completely in Hank’s embrace with his 185cm height. Both Joey and Hank are of the same age however Joey looks younger than Hank because of his fine facial features. With 3 older sisters, Joey is the youngest and the only male in his family. His father passed away when he was still a toddler so he never really understands a fatherly figure but he grew up with lots of feminine love. Joey’s mum told him many times that Joey took after his deceased father’s sharp defined nose and strong obvious double eye-lids though his curly eye lashes are definitely from his mum. Joey has always been the beauty model for his 3 sisters when he was growing up, they would dress him up in their own creative mix and match and using him as a test subject when they were old enough to apply make-up and trying out beauty products. Thanks to his sisters’ unrelenting interest in beauty regime, Joey has flawless skin and immaculately trimmed eyebrows. That always makes him a head turner since his high school days. Joey was in an all-boys school, like many other over-achievers, he dabbled in a few sports and excelled in tennis while topping his academic subjects effortlessly. Even though he has such fine and delicate facial features, Joey has tanned skin due to playing tennis, a stark contrast to his beautiful looks. But of course, in the all boys school environment, Joey also had his fair share of being targeted for some crude jokes. And during those frustrating moments, while Joey was strong enough to stand up to those bullies, he almost always did not need to do anything as Hank would be the first to jump up and pick up a fight with those guys. Hank has been Joey’s best friend since their high school days, other than going to the same high school; they also went to the same senior high school. As opposed to the almost beautiful Joey, Hank oozes masculinity with a naughty boy look. Similar to Joey, he has shiny smooth tanned skin. Coupled with his piercing bright eyes, thick eyebrows and smart crew cut hair, Hank has always been the dream guy of many ladies and possibly dudes too with his extremely taut body built. Hank was a school representative for swimming competitions during his high school and senior high school days however he declined the opportunity of being a national swimmer when he was talented spotted at those competitions. Being an only child born to a rich family, Hank has since young hoped to have a younger brother to fuss about. When he first met Joey in high school, he glued to Joey like bees to honey and was never apart from him for more than a minute including going for toilet breaks together. Hank takes great care of Joey as a great big brother would, driving him everywhere and fends off all unwanted attention showered upon Joey by giving off impression that he is the man in Joey’s life. Hank always enjoys being Joey’s trusted bodyguard and never hesitates to challenge any strangers who dared to even come close to Joey for chats. “Damn, you are so sweaty. Don’t hug me like that in school!” Joey pushes Hank away with a disgusted look and proceeded to wipe off the wet sweat smeared over his face and arms. “We are the gorgeous dream couple since high school and would have continue to be the IT couple if not because we will not be in the same faculty when we enters university. Still you ain’t going anywhere without me!” Hank retorts with a wink in his big round eyes. Joey gives Hank a resigned look and says; “You seriously need to stop all these nonsense. All your ex girlfriends had been blaming me for your break-ups! And I really don’t need to be the butt of the jokes again when we go to varsity.” “Ok ok. With a greek god looking after you, you don’t even appreciate. Those girls didn’t even get to be chauffeured by me more than once. I pick you up from home, drives you everywhere and anywhere every day, you know?” Hank is not going to give up till he gets Joey’s recognition for all his efforts. Joey knows he is not getting anywhere with the topic, he lets out a sigh and pleads with his puppy eyes looking at Hank “Argh, you win. Can we please get in the car now? The scorching sun is killing me.” “Sure my King, your wish is my command.” Hank replies and follows up with a blowing kiss. Joey rolled his eyes. Once they get into the car, Hank’s mobile phone rings and he answers the call with the speaker on. “Honey, I miss you! Are you still in school? Come pick me up to go my place ok? I want to show you the lingerie I just bought.” a sultry female voice from the other end of the phone said. Hank gives off an impatient look, starts his car engine and says “I am driving, going to spend the rest of the day with Joey. Not meeting you. You go home yourself.” “Again? You are always with Joey and haven’t been spending time with me for months! Why does Joey need so much time and attention from you?” the female voice continued. Hank gives a nonchalant look at Joey then says, “Girl, we were no longer an item the day you threw temper at Joey. Remember?” “I have apologized a few times already. Anyway who is he to stop you from getting me that latest edition Chanel handbag? Please I want to see you, and I want to cuddle with you. And more” She said with a quivering voice. Hank cuts her off before she can continue, “Girl you know I don’t engage in intimacy if we are not in a relationship. And throwing temper at Joey is a big NO NO for me. You are well aware of that too, don’t you?” “Hmpf! You are not the only hunk around, there are many others clamoring after me, Hank! You are a jerk!” and she hung up the call. Joey gives Hank an uneasy look “Do you have to do that to a girl? Both of you were in a relationship after all. And once again, you used me as an excuse to get yourself out of the relationship when you gets bored.” Hank shows off his sweetest smile at Joey “I really meant what I told her. Nobody I repeat NOBODY can show any temper or disrespect to my boy. She has only herself to blame.” “Stop it already, I have said it for so many years I am not your boy. Quit your nonsense please.” Joey shoots Hank with an impatient look. Hank returns the look with a hearty laugh, reaches over for Joey’s hands and kisses the back of one of the hand. <Those Moments, Our Memories> is a coming of age boy love (BL) story that revolves around three same sex couples. This 30-part original story is purely fictional with fictional characters that depict relationship between same sex couples and dramatized events. Any resemblances however remotely possible are purely coincidental and are not representative of anyone or any situations that could or may be actual. Please do not proceed if you discriminate against same sex relationship. By choosing to read this fictional story, it is understood you agree you are of legal or consent age to read such contents in your country of birth or residence. I reserved all rights to this self-penned story. Love has no barriers and it is LOVE we celebrate. Happy reading! You can support by checking out the latest chapters on my Patreon and BuyMeACoffee pages.

Part 1 of X It was a quiet Sunday morning when I received a message, “You up for giving a show today? :p”. A jolt of curiosity ran through me as I pondered the proposition. Having time on hand, I replied that I was indeed up for it. The next message came, teasingly asking, “When do you look your best? Haha”. A playful smirk formed on my face as I contemplated the question. “Well,” I thought to myself, “I hope it’s always.” With a hint of confidence, I replied, assuring him that I always strive to look my best. As the conversation continued, the anticipation grew. “A shower show would be great, and probably more worth it. If it’s just you on the chair then maybe oil and flexing? Or would you be willing to meet?”. The possibilities raced through my mind as I considered the options. The idea of a shower show intrigued me, promising a tantalising experience. However, the mention of meeting added a new dimension of excitement to the proposition. Curiosity got the better of me as I replied, “Haha meet and?”. The response came swiftly, brimming with an air of seduction. “Just the same thing. Shower. Maybe touch a bit.” A blush spread across my cheeks as I absorbed the implications behind the words. The prospect of this encounter was becoming more enticing with each passing message. “Oh haha I see. I guess it’s fine. Just that you will need to travel.” The reality of logistics crept into the conversation, reminding us that this would require some effort. Yet, the thrill of the unknown overshadowed any reservations I may have had. “You’re fine with it?” he inquired, seeking reassurance. Determination welled up within me as I responded, “I will try to accommodate.” The prospect of this rendezvous was too alluring to pass up, even if it meant venturing into unfamiliar territory. “Ok, I don’t mind travelling. I have a place too if you want.” His eagerness mirrored my own, prompting a surge of anticipation within me. As the conversation came to a temporary halt, my mind raced with possibilities. What would this encounter bring? How would it unfold? The quiet Sunday morning had transformed into a stage for a clandestine performance, and was I ready to take my place in this tantalising dance of desire?

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For a compiled version, Click Here For Easy Read --------------------------- Sometimes, the weirdest thing happens when we least expect it. And so, here is the story of Philip and me. Philip is my close colleague and we have been working in the same company for 5 years. We have to travel at least once a year. It is in such an arrangement that makes us to become close. Our job requires us to make decision and it is important that we have common understanding between us. The good thing, it opens the door to the way each of us is thinking. Philip is straight and he has always suspected that I am not. After all these years, it does not bother him. Recently, after years of overseas assignments, all those wishes I had quietly hoped to happen turned in my favour. Back in the past, once he said "You can be whoever you want so long you are happy, dude" when he caught me looking down at his groin when we were naked after a swim in my club two years back. I had an instant hard on right infront of him that day. "What the hell gets you with that erection!", he commented. He just didn't realize how horny he made me and the whole thing of what I saw had captured and stored in my mind. I liked his big low hanging balls. It made his thick, even when it was flaccid, and long foreskin cock rested so nicely against the sac. Something about the whole package turned me on straight away. His wild, long and straight pubic hair made him even more sexier. I invited him more often to swim at my club after that. Every time I asked, he would not turn me down. Where there were days I did not arrange, he would initiate. It showed that he was getting very comfortable with me. Our friendship grew closer with this activity. He was always at ease taking off his clothes and walked naked in front of me in the changing room. Everytime without fail when he did that, I would have an erection. It became a common sight between us. Strangely, we never talked about gays. Philip shared a lot more things about himself, his sex with his girl friend and his family. Fast forward, our recent business trip changed the whole thing. Called it sheer luck, when we reached at the hotel lobby, the receptionist told us that there was only one bedroom apartment left. We arrived late this trip, thanked to our company that we had to attend an important meeting in SG that same afternoon. It was our first long term business stay and our company had arranged for a serviced apartment this time to save cost instead of putting us in our usual hotel. "It's fine, we take it." Philip told the receptionist. Guessed we were tired from a long day but I was pleasantly surprised at his reaction. Perhaps, my wild imagination took the best of me. We did not even check with the receptionist whether the room had two single beds or just one king-sized bed. When we got into our room, it didn't bother for him to check. I noticed there was only one bed and made no remarks. The concierge came and left our luggage in the living room. We called room service and had our late dinner in the room. After dinner, we took out our laptops and started to check our emails. It was probably half hour after that when Philip said that he would take the shower. "Go on," I said "I will go next." I was expecting him to comment about the bed when he took his luggage into the bedroom. Still, there was no remarks. Few minutes later when I brought in my luggage into the bedroom, Philip was taking off his clothes. "Haha, should I just go naked here than to change in the bathroom?" he said in jest. It didn't made him to stop the full monty even while saying it. "Ya, as though we have never seen each other naked before!" I replied. He was very comfortable going naked and I wondered if he would sleep nude too. Walking around nude to organize the things from his luggage made me to have a hard on. It was sexy just to see the big low hanging balls swaying around his groin. As much I had seen it before, it didn't occur to me how smooth his sac of balls was. I was not even noticing before that his balls were much bigger. I let him to finish his stuffs while sitting on the bed. It was a good sight to observe him nearer since the bedroom was not big. Philip was pretty endowed down there and I wondered if he really had a big erected tool. As it was, the flaccid thick cock must be about few mm smaller than the vitagen bottle and about 4 inches long. His wild, long and straight pubic hairs obviously had not been trimmed before. It was spiking all over. "Are you not going to change?" he blurted. Without replying, I stood up and started to take off. For the first time, I felt guarded not to take off everything. Perhaps, it was just my consciousness that we were not in the changing room but a hotel room. I hesitated to go full monty since I felt my cock was wet from watching him. "I shall shower first lah since you are still not done." I told him while trying not to be too obvious with my erection. Plus, this time my whole cock head was wet with the precum oozing out my foreskin. "Ok ok, go ahead" went his reply. The bathroom was attached to the bed room. It was a nice serviced apartment with a small kitchenette, a two seater sofa with coffee table and LCD TV in the living area and dinner table for 4 people. The bathroom itself was huge with a standing shower area and another area with bathtub. "Wah, have you seen the bathroom?" I was shouting to him as I got in. "It is damn super big!" As I turned around, Philip was behind me. "Wah! we can both shower at the same time then." "Which one are you going to take?" I asked to prolong his hue. "Anyone" he replied. "Or we can shower together in here" I said pointing to the standing shower area. "Siow!" He laughed when replying as he started to go over the bath tub. "Are you going to soak there?" I asked. "No lah, so late. Just going to shower tonight." It was deja vu showering together. Back in my club, we would do the same. The only difference then, we would shower at the same time but in a separate cubicle. It was hard not to wank when I was still horny and he was there right in front of me. His wet body and the wet pubic hair that was no longer spiky made his groin area yummier. By then, I had gotten over my consciousness and stood facing him. Philip went about his usual ways of showering. It was nice just to see it. First, he went on to shampoo his head and washed it off. Then we would soap his body, then the pubic hair and washed it off again. Then, not sure whether he was teasing me, he started to soap his cock, pulled back the foreskin and circled his cock head. He made a slow motion like he was jerking off with his foreskin up and down the shaft. The whole thing made me hornier. I started to wank myself. "Oi, don't do that in front of me lah" suddenly came his voice. I laughed it off and told him that I saw him doing just that too. "Hello, I am only cleaning my cock ok" so he said. "Ok Ok, I shall stop." I told him. I finished the shower, towelled myself dry and went on to brush my teeth in nude. Philip stood behind me and again when I kept looking at his groin, I had an erection. My precum somehow leaked uncontrollably. I knew it had to do with the one bed that we were going to share. It did occur to me why was he not bothered. Didn't he see that there was only one bed and that we had to share it? I was controlling myself not to talk about it and let nature to take its course. I left the bathroom and went into the living room, still naked. Minutes later, Philip appeared. I was glad that he was naked too. "Are you not going to sleep yet?" he asked. "Perhaps I should. It is getting late. Are we going to have breakfast in the cafe downstairs in the morning?" I replied. "Ya, might as well. Wake up at 7?" I stood up and walked into the bedroom. I was pleasantly surprised that Philip had comfortably chosen to take the right side of the bed near to the bathroom. My heart pumped faster as I walked over to take my side. Again, my cock erected. "You haven't been wanking, is it? Why the constant hardon?" he blurted. I was a little embarrassed when he said that yet I could not control my reply. "Ya, been keeping it for tonight for you lah." I tried to laugh it off as it sounded so lame. "fxxk you!" went his reply. "Now?" I replied. <To continue .. if got the time>

So...im a fan of the author who writes the series titled the same here. Without stuffing the original thread, thought it might be better to have a separate one on how the key characters might be like, or how we fantasize about them 😀. Came across some images online (disclaimer, these are images over the web). Starting off, would this be Jason or Kelvin, going by how they were described?

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Hi just curious, does anyone has experience sex in office or workplace? I had mine in the ex workplace address and currently at the new location as office shift location. To share abit, know my ex at the workplace. He was in HR and I was hired for the job. We became close and eventually few months later we are attached. During our period together, we always find excuses to visit the toilets in the office. We are in different levels. He was at level 10 and I was at level 15 and level 13 I think was a lounge and we know the toilet there is always quiet so we will visit there ard 3pm. He will msg me and I will find excuses to say I am hungry and will go down to buy food. Then we will meet at the toilet at level 13. We will kiss and we will bj each other till we cum. After that we will go back to our respective levels and I will wait for him to finish work before going home. But the sex was really shiok and kind of missed having fun there in the office. The excitement and anxiety of not being discovered. Anyway, here is just one of my story, do share urs here. Cheers.

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Hi im new and im not sure if this is where u post this but who else exhibiting in public toilets? I always hope that some one would come and take control of me and use and abuse me. sorry if I’m not suppose to post here , do direct/teach me where to post. :)))