Guest Guest Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 i recommend, low carbo diet follow by daily run of at least 5KM.....after run in the evening, dont eat any rice and noodle, just plain miso soup with beancurd or salad or protein shake w milk and sleep off. seriously, with the excess fats, how to tell ur body to use it? By some sort of being hungry but not starving mode...it will force ur body to use ur storage fats as fuel. meanwhile for the next few mths, u may feel light headed as ur body is adjusting itself. if u have the motivation and determination, few mths later and up to 1 yr, u see a new u. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 Can anyone help me or train together with me ? and since u need help or need someone to train together, it means u r not self motivated. u will fail at your attempt. no one owes u their time to train you to achieve ur goal..remember, its for urself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piingzaii Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 Thanks !! I will try it out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charvo87 Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 Can anyone help me or train together with me ?Have you been thru NS? If so, follow exactly the same thing on what you eat and physical activities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stylishvicky Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 Share food w your fren when you visit a restaurant next time. Save money and can help u lose weight. Quote Trevvy: http://www.trevvy.co...choliousnickson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piingzaii Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 Share food w your fren when you visit a restaurant next time. Save money and can help u lose weight.nice idea!! i tot of just ate their food instead so i dont need pay any money lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stylishvicky Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 nice idea!! i tot of just ate their food instead so i dont need pay any money lolu can also share the food at buffet ._. Quote Trevvy: http://www.trevvy.co...choliousnickson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikepro Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 I think something that helps a lot is cutting down on sugary food and drinks. Soft drinks are full of sugar, I think most people know this. But, read the labels on the groceries you buy, some may contain a lot of sugar. For example, some breakfast cereal may seem healthy (wholegrain), but some varieties have sugar listed as the SECOND ingredient, meaning by volume it is the 2nd most copious ingredient. Fruit juice drinks might contain added sugar.Lots of food in the supermarket actually contain lots of sugar, including my favourite Kettle Honey Djon chips! Also look out for ingredients like fructose, sucrose, molasses, corn syrup etc. All these are simply different forms of sugar.Read the nutrition information on groceries. Try to eat less white bread, beehoon, biscuits etc. as these refined starches get converted into simple sugars in your body. Eat wholemeal bread, brown/red rice. Go for dark chocolate instead of milk/white. I think the occasional treat is still okay. Myself, I managed to cut out soft drinks and only have it a couple of times a month when I'm having fast food outside. But I love cake too much to give it up (Oh man I LOVE the cakey!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gstc82 Posted November 24, 2013 Report Share Posted November 24, 2013 Just eat less.no supper. Seek18-26yoForLtrOrFun 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikepro Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 After running 700 km plus strict food regimen over 5 months, he cut down weight from 240 kg to 78 kg, BMI from 33.2 to 21.6http://xh.580k.com/x/201312/17/n20131217_421207.shtml I think you made a mistake, the article says he was 120 kg and dropped to 78 kg. The article says he saw a 240 "jin" self in the mirror, which means he was about 110 kg.240 kg would mean he is extremely obese to the point of disability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grimreaper Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 It's not some elusive secret guys.Drink water, eat more meals in smaller portions, swap out white rice/bread for low GI alternatives and go for the healthier option (e.g skinless chicken breast as opposed to chicken thigh)Allow yourself to indulge for about 10% of your meals (of course don't overdo it).Exercise regularly. Start slow then work your way up. Good balance of weights and cardio. The internet is your friend.Speaking from personal experience. Was almost 100kg in June this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jubjub Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 grim: what?!?! were u like the buff (but fat) boy to begin with? or just weak and fat? share share! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Requiemx Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 I realised I slacked alot after reading this thread lol... Quote - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 is it normal to feel a bit hungry all the time when u take smaller meals thruout the day? thats how i feel. like half-full feeling and later feel guilty like i keep wanting to eat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wahwahboi Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 I think something that helps a lot is cutting down on sugary food and drinks. Soft drinks are full of sugar, I think most people know this. But, read the labels on the groceries you buy, some may contain a lot of sugar. For example, some breakfast cereal may seem healthy (wholegrain), but some varieties have sugar listed as the SECOND ingredient, meaning by volume it is the 2nd most copious ingredient. Fruit juice drinks might contain added sugar.Lots of food in the supermarket actually contain lots of sugar, including my favourite Kettle Honey Djon chips! Also look out for ingredients like fructose, sucrose, molasses, corn syrup etc. All these are simply different forms of sugar.Read the nutrition information on groceries. Try to eat less white bread, beehoon, biscuits etc. as these refined starches get converted into simple sugars in your body. Eat wholemeal bread, brown/red rice. Go for dark chocolate instead of milk/white. I think the occasional treat is still okay. Myself, I managed to cut out soft drinks and only have it a couple of times a month when I'm having fast food outside. But I love cake too much to give it up (Oh man I LOVE the cakey!) I support the idea of cutting down sugar in our diet not only to slim down but also to stay healthy (reducing risk of getting diabetes and heart disease). However for most of us, what is considered as high in added sugar? Basically, the recommendation is that added sugar to make up less than 10% of our energy intake, which is effectively less than 50g of added sugar if a male eats normally (http://www.nrv.gov.au/disease/macronutrient.htm). Just some figures below to illustrate some of the added sugar contents in our groceries: Weetbix/Cornflakes = 1g to 2g per serveTypical cereals = 6g to 10g per serveFruit juice = 12g to 16g per serveSoft drink = 20g per serve I think one of the obstacles in cutting added sugar down is whether or not we know how to interpret the nutrition information panel on our groceries. Anyway, another point to make is that regardless of the sugar/carbohydrate ones eat (refined or unrefined), it will still be converted to glucose (the sugar used in our body for fuel) and contribute to energy intake. I speculate that the reason for why low GI food can aid in slimming down is it may contain more fibre, which can easily make one's stomach fuller, and thus result in one becoming satiated easier. Lastly, it is important to enjoy your food and eat foods in moderation. Don't hate or avoid any food that you previously liked because it is fattening! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boy20s Posted December 26, 2013 Report Share Posted December 26, 2013 (edited) I have been hitting the gym thrice a week and doing supersets for more than one year. I heard that superset is supposed to help burning fats. Muscles have been developing slowly but my belly fat hasn't decreased at all. I used to weighed 50 kg( I m 175cm) that time though I was slim I couldn't see six packs, but a layer of fat also. Now I increased to almost 70kg and waist size is 32.I am eating much less compare to others my weight and height ( I even eat less than girls/autie ) but still the fat is there. Any advices? Thanks in advance! Edited December 26, 2013 by boy20s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happymonster Posted December 26, 2013 Report Share Posted December 26, 2013 There are a few factors in contributing the accumulation of fats: Age - As you grow old, your metabolism decreases, and therefore it is more difficult to remove layer of fats. Nature of work - Most people have a sedentary lifestyle when it comes to work since we are living in Singapore, where most of our jobs are desk-bound.Eating lifestyle - From the sound of it, you have been either skipping meals or decreasing your meal intake. When you face hunger, your body counters this by decreasing your metabolism rate in order to "survive". It is in our gene that we have this mechanism to counteract against hunger, which was prevalent before the modern age. Your body won't understand this and therefore constantly activate this reaction.Exercise activities - From the sound of it you have been just concentrating on building muscles and nothing else. It is true that muscles will require more energy to maintain them, but I believe the other 3 factors have a bigger weight against just this one factor alone. Ideally you should also be accompanying your muscle- building session with cardio increases your heart rate, which is actually more beneficial during fat-loss regime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkflame Posted December 26, 2013 Report Share Posted December 26, 2013 Try doing some cardio? If you are unable to run, try swimming. Quote I'm always running after you. You are my ideal. You are me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azimuth Posted December 26, 2013 Report Share Posted December 26, 2013 Try incorporating a 30 minute cardio activity in the gym before you do weights. My reading suggests that intervals (periods of rest and burst) are better than a consistent cardio activity. I also agree with @happymonster. Count your calories and make sure you don't go hungry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluerunner Posted December 27, 2013 Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 Count your calories and make sure you don't go hungry.I never know how to count calories. How would I know my wholemeal bread is xcal while his white bread is ycal?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grimreaper Posted December 27, 2013 Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 I have been hitting the gym thrice a week and doing supersets for more than one year. I heard that superset is supposed to help burning fats. Muscles have been developing slowly but my belly fat hasn't decreased at all. I used to weighed 50 kg( I m 175cm) that time though I was slim I couldn't see six packs, but a layer of fat also. Now I increased to almost 70kg and waist size is 32.I am eating much less compare to others my weight and height ( I even eat less than girls/autie ) but still the fat is there. Any advices? Thanks in advance! Eating less is not necessarily bad for your metabolism as long as you space your meals out. You just need a constant supply of calories throughout the day. But yes skipping meals is not advisable. Try incorporating a 30 minute cardio activity in the gym before you do weights. My reading suggests that intervals (periods of rest and burst) are better than a consistent cardio activity. I also agree with @happymonster. Count your calories and make sure you don't go hungry. I've always been quite confused about this. I've been doing HIIT post-weights for the past 2 months and I've definitely seen results. But some people recommend it before, some people recommend doing a set before and a set after weights, etc. I never know how to count calories. How would I know my wholemeal bread is xcal while his white bread is ycal?! It's not that difficult. Just write them down in a book or document. I used to count my calories like mad, but I've kinda relaxed once I hit my target weight. Living off 1200 calories a day is enough to drive someone crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azimuth Posted December 27, 2013 Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 I never know how to count calories. How would I know my wholemeal bread is xcal while his white bread is ycal?! Actually I feel you don't have to be very mathematically specific in the count. Just do a general count. What is maybe more important is that the output is more than the input. There are some food that fill you up for a longer time so that you don't have to keep consuming food and hence increasing your calorie count. There are guides on calorie count for various food items online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azimuth Posted December 27, 2013 Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 Eating less is not necessarily bad for your metabolism as long as you space your meals out. You just need a constant supply of calories throughout the day. But yes skipping meals is not advisable. I've always been quite confused about this. I've been doing HIIT post-weights for the past 2 months and I've definitely seen results. But some people recommend it before, some people recommend doing a set before and a set after weights, etc. It's not that difficult. Just write them down in a book or document. I used to count my calories like mad, but I've kinda relaxed once I hit my target weight. Living off 1200 calories a day is enough to drive someone crazy. My personal take is that there seems to be no hard science to when to do HIT. I prefer doing it before weights though so that I can give in my all during the high intensity periods. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeannyShortcake Posted December 27, 2013 Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 My personal take is that there seems to be no hard science to when to do HIT. I prefer doing it before weights though so that I can give in my all during the high intensity periods. :-) Azi veh fit one wor. *takes down notes* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jekyll@hyde Posted December 27, 2013 Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 I never know how to count calories. How would I know my wholemeal bread is xcal while his white bread is ycal?!there is a web and,app myfitnesspal that can assist you and help count your calories. Big database of food that you use to monitor your calorie intake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azimuth Posted December 27, 2013 Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 Azi veh fit one wor. *takes down notes* Lol. Please don't tease me. Seanny boy is much hotter. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grimreaper Posted December 27, 2013 Report Share Posted December 27, 2013 Azi veh fit one wor. *takes down notes* Lol. Please don't tease me. Seanny boy is much hotter. :-) Teach teach masters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 a friend of mine have been fasting for a year every morning and his first meal is at 2pm in order to slim down.Wonder is this the correct method? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelix Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 I think he is using Intermittent Fasting (IF). You can read more about it here: http://www.nerdfitness.com/blog/2013/08/06/a-beginners-guide-to-intermittent-fasting/ Quote http://instagram.com/franciscwh90/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 u wake up w empty stomach in the morning. u need food but instead, u fast till 2pm , forcing ur body to burn storage fats as fuel. why not wake up w empty stomach, go out for a run and then eat a sensible breakfast. at least u wont be so miserable and running will build ur stamina gradually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navyblue Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 u wake up w empty stomach in the morning. u need food but instead, u fast till 2pm , forcing ur body to burn storage fats as fuel.why not wake up w empty stomach, go out for a run and then eat a sensible breakfast. at least u wont be so miserable and running will build ur stamina gradually.Ya, excercising is the best way to slim down. And instead of skipping breakdast, which is the most impt meal of the day, why not skip dinner?I read an online article before, it is better to have an unhealthy breakfast than to have no breakfast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justin1982 Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 Do more exercise, n don't skip breakfast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cutejack Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 eat tasty food bt with a limit.try more walking or jog.should b alrite.i did tat.good day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 I am usually not hungry during meal times but I still eat because some says must eat regularly else will get gastric. Because the stomach will secrete gastric acid at regular meal times that will burn our stomach if we don't have enough food for the acid to digest. Is that true? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowdyboy Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 Try to do cardio for at least 30minutes per day. Have smaller but more meals helps too. Dont drink soft drinks and eat fast food AT ALL!! Those food are very very unhealthy and taste awful Yucks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azimuth Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 Find an exercise buddy. It will really help a lot. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xydboy Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 a friend of mine have been fasting for a year every morning and his first meal is at 2pm in order to slim down.Wonder is this the correct method?Skipping breakfast just increases the chances of one getting obesity. Never ever skip the most important meal of the day. Quote Follow me at http://instagram.com/ytraymond =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicholasyada Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 I exercise (esp runnning) to lose weight and slim down. Also, I try to eat lesser though not very disciplined in that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Yashida Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 Law of relativity: only hang out with fat people and you will automatically look slim. No dieting, no exercising needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoyo74 Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 Hanging out with fat people will get even fatter cause fat people will always buy food in excess and give you some when they cant eat finish. Hanging out with thin people and you can guess makes you thin cause they eat lesser so you have lesser view of food thus lesser cravings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shyc Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 As a post script to my last posting about the guy who jogged 700 km, I would advise overly overweight people (110 kg & above but not tall) against frequent running. This is because of the immense body weight straining the knee caps, leading to faster wear & tear. Swimming is the best alternative as buoyancy in water will very much reduce knee stress... Hence, I would advise highly overweight guys to jog only after their weight has been significantly reduced. Swimming is still better.if jogging must be done, than a better option is to jog in stadium with padded tracks or on a treadmill in gym. If like me, stadium is inconvience and not a gym bunny than invest in a good jogging shoe that have good support. This advice was given to me by my therapist for injured knees. Used to jog on pavement around my estate and used the free army jogging shoes.Hanging out with fat people will get even fatter cause fat people will always buy food in excess and give you some when they cant eat finish. Hanging out with thin people and you can guess makes you thin cause they eat lesser so you have lesser view of food thus lesser cravings.i think it's a misconception. I used to be skinny but ate quite a fair bit of tidbits. Also had a few rather skinny friends who can eat buffet like they haven't eaten in a long while. Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undies87 Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 drink lots of water, green tea would be best. helps you wash off excess toxin. unilad91 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 Hanging out with fat people will get even fatter cause fat people will always buy food in excess and give you some when they cant eat finish. Hanging out with thin people and you can guess makes you thin cause they eat lesser so you have lesser view of food thus lesser cravings.I'm thinking the opposite: the fat friends will finished all the food with little left for you. Therefore, you'll soon become skim. On the other hands, thin friends cannot eat much and offer you to help finishing the food --> you become fat. Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cub Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 Hanging out with fat people will get even fatter cause fat people will always buy food in excess and give you some when they cant eat finish. Hanging out with thin people and you can guess makes you thin cause they eat lesser so you have lesser view of food thus lesser cravings.Agreed. Dated a chub. He will always order large quantity and then give me his leftover. Which i became fat tooDunno why. Is already his greedy habit to have many in his plate. Then he is not stupid to put in his belly, but insist give to u Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undies87 Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 hey guys, is there a way to get the body to use/burn the stored fat?? instead of carbs?? im quite active in terms of regular exercise and swim but there is still 'fat' stored in parts of the body.. especially the back! any idea how id go about burning these? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RatedG2 Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 hey guys, is there a way to get the body to use/burn the stored fat?? instead of carbs?? im quite active in terms of regular exercise and swim but there is still 'fat' stored in parts of the body.. especially the back! any idea how id go about burning these? From what i read, you should limit your daily carb intake so that when you exercise it burns fats instead of carbs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wall Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Any thoughts on kettlebells? thinking of investing in one. Quote "In fearful day, in raging night,With strong hearts full, our souls ignite,When all seems lost in the War of Light,Look to the stars-- For hope burns bright!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jekyll@hyde Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) From what i read, you should limit your daily carb intake so that when you exercise it burns fats instead of carbs.supplement what Ratedg82 has mentionedwhile you manipulate your macros and reduce your carb intake( while maintain intake of fruits and vege) increase your intake of healthy fats and protein. It is a bit like ketogenic diet,where u will get the body to burn fat as fuel instead of carb. If losing weight,is your goal, you,need to retain calorie diet deficit.the downside of this diet I have experienced is that you get annoyed and moody easily. body become heaty. Remedy - drinks lots of water, occasionally consume some fresh lemon juice. after a week of that diet, do carb cycling IE carb day meal to retain some sanity into your system.apart from diet , I would suggest you intensified your back exercise. some variety to shock and stimulate new muscle growth for your back. New muscle growth help burn the fat. Instead wide grip try do close grip. Body row , slamming hammer on to tyre, or dragging sandbag are some examples.different exercise as shown in fitness book/mag that you never try before is another suggestion.if you hv not include compound movement into your weight lifting regime, then do consider to include it into your regime.the reason is quite explanatory if you check out in the net. If your body is an endomorph, include cardio after your weight lifting session. If you are ecto or meso no need to as it over stress the body. Edited February 21, 2014 by Jekyll@hyde Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undies87 Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Oh yes ive been reading about the keto diet aswell.. Infact ive actually started with intensive work out, reduced carb and separating my meals in five portions a day.. but true that i get moody and tired easily, due to work aswell. anyways hope to achieve my goal.. soon.. thanks @RatedG2 & @Jekyll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GymStock Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 I will share based on my own experience for the past 2-3years and something that I learnt recently. I am a endomorph body type. Over the last 2-3years, I have learnt that it is important to know your body type and then apply what works for it. Such as HIIT as what many suggest and proposed that it is good for losing weights. It does. But somehow it does not work well for me or maybe not what I wanted. When I was doing crossfit for met-con and lots of HIIT, I lose a fair bit of weight... I was 81kg...but I noticed something. I was getting smaller in built. After monitoring sometime on my body analysis I realized I was losing fats and muscles but more on muscles. From an initial lean muscle 39kg I was down to 33kg and body fats from 23kg to 22kg only. I did some research and realized both met-con and HIIT training will get your heart rate into anabolic zone (80-90% of your max heart rate) but at that zone, you body will burn your muscle as fuel instead of fats.So I read up more and realized as endomorph, to lose fats we should concentrate more cardio on aerobic heart rate (50-70% of your max heart rate) and diet is very important. So I tried with this principle incorporate HIIT in my cardio workout (always keeping my heart rate @ aerobic heart rate zone and keeping my calories count, I lost 2kg of fats in over 1.5weeks while maintaining my lean muscle mass. 2-3yrs ago I was 105kg with a waistline of 39. Now 87kg with a waistline of 33 (and if I want to I can squeeze into a 32inch jeans or pants) with a body fats % of 21%. The 87kg is made up of 39.9kg of lean muscle mass, 18.5kg of fats and remaining are water, minerals and etc. If to aim for healthy bf% of 15%, I just need to lose another 6.5kg of fats. So even losing that 6.5kg of fats, I will still be about 80kg. Seems heavy for someone with 173cm. But I know I would be in my best shape ever as a 43yo guy with a possible 32inch waistline. As what my PT says, I am like a body builder, who needs to go into cutting phase to see all the muscles that I already have.So don't just look at how heavy you weigh. It does not says everything about what you are made of. Find out more and find the right action plans for your body. What works for others may not necessarily works for you.So read up more, research more and best of all try them out. It is a lot of trial and error but if u are serious enough to be in the best shape or be fit or to lose weight (fats to be exact), you will find THE way that works for you and your body.Hope my little sharing helps and inspired some of you. passby, garuda and weeean 3 Quote Am here for sincere friends... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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