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I haven't watched this movie so no comments yet ... because I was disappointed about the "The King and The Clown" so not much interested in Korean Gay movies :( ... but after reading all post here, I will look for the movie :D ...

@ Imchaser,

Do you know that there are many many (almost) big muscle men are BOTTOM ??? And quite many sissy/feminine is a real TOP ?

In my opinion, some slim sissy/feminine guys have big dick and real TOP, they pok pok pok very hard and caring ;) ...

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Again, completely disagree. If u see how both of them sleep, HL sleeps like a girl and King sleeps like a, King. And what kind of top would wear lace ribbon pyjamas?

haha, thats the king's decoy.

He needs to fool the royal servants collecting the laundry that the queen was here sleeping.

Regarding the king asking HL to fcuk the queen, well he is the King, he can ask anyone to do anything. No questions should be ask if not he will have his head.

But most important thing is he wanted to have a child for them both and looking "as beautiful as" Honglin.

And he believe Honglin can do it cos that what hes been getting it from Honglin for 10 years.

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yes, i agree with cock brand. the lines are carefully crafted to show a king that is very connect with his feminine side.

So u r saying, the whole point i made earlier regarding the reason why the King have HL castrated wasnt making any sense at all? Haha.

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So u r saying, the whole point i made earlier regarding the reason why the King have HL castrated wasnt making any sense at all? Haha.

The king hit the top big time when he saw them fxxking in the library.

In a fit of anger, he ordered the castration -no more fxxking for you guys, period!!!

In one scene, see how Honglin persuade the sick king to take a bite from his spoon?

The king demurely took a mouthful obligingly.

What this gesture suggest?

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But most important thing is he wanted to have a child for them both and looking "as beautiful as" Honglin.

And he believe Honglin can do it cos that what hes been getting it from Honglin for 10 years.

Hmmm, this has become very chalenging, cos some of u got really strong points. Haha.

I believe u misunderstood the meaning when the king said he wants the child to be as fair as HL, thats why he put HL to the task because HL can fcuk.

He said that just to tease HL indirectly, i believe he have no other choice, if he wants to treat her queens child as his own, theres no other person more perfect than that of HL's which he loves deeply. So its happy results, the Queen bears HL's child, and the King treat HL's child as his own. So it has to be HL's even if he never fcuk before.

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So u r saying, the whole point i made earlier regarding the reason why the King have HL castrated wasnt making any sense at all? Haha.

Hi iamchaser, you said "And thats the whole point the king have HL castrated, isnt it? If HL a top, what would it do the King any good? If HL a bottom, that only means he wont be able to satisfy the queen no more, but the king can still penetrate him." well, my take is that while the king castrated out of anger, it wasn't without some thinking thru. the whole rationale here is this - you have made the commitment to be with me and not see the queen. but here you are again, fcuking the queen. and thus, the whole issue centers ard the fact that you are able to do it. to prevent this from happening again, i need to remove the `enabler/ tool', in this case, i need to castrate you. for if i do not castrate you, you can and will still fcuk ard with the queen. and of cos in doing so, even tho you cannot fcuk me, i will at least be able to have you with me in person.

this way of thinking reflects the deeper emotional needs of the king. his decision, altho a very harsh one, is fouunded on a more fundamental emotional needs of his. it further reinforce the portrayer that the king is a very feminine person.

well, that is my take. you may not agree with me. :-)

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The king hit the top big time when he saw them fxxking in the library.

In a fit of anger, he ordered the castration -no more fxxking for you guys, period!!!

In one scene, see how Honglin persuade the sick king to take a bite from his spoon?

The king demurely took a mouthful obligely.

What the gesture suggest?

U mean the king said - no more fcking for u guys, and at the same time no more fcking for myself as well? haha...how can that be?

The king demurely took a mouthful of spoon but prior to that, HL persuaded the king to took it in a very feminine way i was a bit eekkk by it. Btw, that was a very romantic scene.

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Hi iamchaser, you said "And thats the whole point the king have HL castrated, isnt it? If HL a top, what would it do the King any good? If HL a bottom, that only means he wont be able to satisfy the queen no more, but the king can still penetrate him." well, my take is that while the king castrated out of anger, it wasn't without some thinking thru. the whole rationale here is this - you have made the commitment to be with me and not see the queen. but here you are again, fcuking the queen. and thus, the whole issue centers ard the fact that you are able to do it. to prevent this from happening again, i need to remove the `enabler/ tool', in this case, i need to castrate you. for if i do not castrate you, you can and will still fcuk ard with the queen. and of cos in doing so, even tho you cannot fcuk me, i will at least be able to have you with me in person.

this way of thinking reflects the deeper emotional needs of the king. his decision, altho a very harsh one, is fouunded on a more fundamental emotional needs of his. it further reinforce the portrayer that the king is a very feminine person.

well, that is my take. you may not agree with me. :-)

well, this can go on, but i think we can agree that there are scenes that suggest the king is top and there are scenes that suggest the king is btm. but i think we need to understand the impetus for the protrayal of the top/btm and i think it can be founded in pressures from the asian/ korean culture or the individual's (king's) character itself. and if we were to balance them out, i am convinced the king is btm.

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well, that is my take. you may not agree with me. :-)

Alright, here is my final and yet a powerful proof that the King is a top. I didnt wanna reveal it cos it might be sensitive, but here goes. See how can u guys fight this point. Hehe. Ready? here goes...

Assuming the bodyguard is 21 or 22 years old, and its mildly established in the movie that he has been serving the king for abt ten years on his royal bed.... emmm, how could HL be a top then?

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Alright, here is my final and yet a powerful proof that the King is a top. I didnt wanna reveal it cos it might be sensitive, but here goes. See how can u guys fight this point. Hehe. Ready? here goes...

Assuming the bodyguard is 21 or 22 years old, and its mildly established in the movie that he has been serving the king for abt ten years on his royal bed.... emmm, how could he be a top then?

Oh my god im such a genius! someone please give me a prize! haha.

the following refers:

(1) well, your first word itself is the loophole. we cannot really assume that HL is 21 or 22 years old.

(2) we cannot equate serve to fcuk

(3) the show did not ascertain exactly when the relationship became sexual, altho it showed the emotional parts started when they were small boys (the king still in his teens and HL was probably 12 or 13... this was reflected in the final scene)

(4) the final scene indicated very strongly that they had a very strong emotional attachment since childhood. and since then, the king had very strong urge to want to keep HL for himself and that he was very please to note, when HL, as a small boy, said, he wish to be able to live in the palace and be with the king.

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the following refers:

(1) well, your first word itself is the loophole. we cannot really assume that HL is 21 or 22 years old.

(2) we cannot equate serve to fcuk

(3) the show did not ascertain exactly when the relationship became sexual, altho it showed the emotional parts started when they were small boys (the king still in his teens and HL was probably 12 or 13... this was reflected in the final scene)

(4) the final scene indicated very strongly that they had a very strong emotional attachment since childhood. and since then, the king had very strong urge to want to keep HL for himself and that he was very please to note, when HL, as a small boy, said, he wish to be able to live in the palace and be with the king.

my pt 4 was made in reference to the fact that the king is a more emotional person - a more feminine trait.

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Why all the obession with who's top or who's bottom?

Straight, gay or bisexual? These are all labels!

It's a beautiful well-crafted film with great acting... a story about beautiful love and lust!

A tragic love triangle!

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Alright, here is my final and yet a powerful proof that the King is a top. I didnt wanna reveal it cos it might be sensitive, but here goes. See how can u guys fight this point. Hehe. Ready? here goes...

Assuming the bodyguard is 21 or 22 years old, and its mildly established in the movie that he has been serving the king for abt ten years on his royal bed.... emmm, how could HL be a top then?

OK la, basing on your analysis, the king could be a top and he deflowered HL when he was still a teenager. When HL later developed into a fine young man, the king already late 30 liao so its HL's turn to serve the king.

Or can we settle that they are both flexis?

BTW, do you think that Ju Jin-Mo, the one who played the king, has a slight resemblence of Andy Lau at certain angle?

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OK la, basing on your analysis, the king could be a top and he deflowered HL when he was still a teenager. When HL later developed into a fine young man, the king already late 30 liao so its HL's turn to serve the king.

Or can we settle that they are both flexis?

BTW, do you think that Ju Jin-Mo, the one who played the king, has a slight resemblence of Andy Lau at certain angle?

As u know, i only watched it on theater, so the gay sex scene already being shortened. Is there anything that i missed out in the sex scene that i dont know? Like HL fcuking the King? so if there isnt, please stick to the theory that the King is a top then. Haha. So r u annoyed now that im so kiasu. I heard u got the dvd, no?

At some point, i thought the king kinda look like Jackie Chan!

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Thanks to all of your write ups, i decided that i had to catch the show today and i did. Here's a little of what i gathered from the movie. Hong Lim in my opinion is definitely straight as a fiddle. I believe what he had between the King and himself was more towards loyalty and a duty he has been tasked with from day one. The King was charismatic and impressionable, which fueled to his confusion further. He never had a normal childhood and he was structured to think that the King is the only person he has to show affection, loyalty and responsibility to. Until he was given an OPTION. Enter the queen.

For the queen, her role was more like a key which was required to unlock the "chains" that had HL tied up and clouded for the longest time. Pity the King though as his decision was the start of the downfall and demise of both guys. The king had certainly loved HL as it was so obvious from the way he favours HL. That made the queen hate HL but of course there's absolutely nothing she or anyone can do about it.

I think the King is bottom rather than top. There is this part on the painting where HL asked if he could be painted taking aim with the bow and arrow just like the Kings image. The King mentioned "Yes, that would be more appropriate for you won't it". The King mentioned to the queen that he cannot fulfill his role to her, i think its also because he is not into screwing but prefers taking it from the ass. His decision to castrate HL is the biggest tell tale sign...why? Easy...jealousy...someone you love goes off screwing another even after asking for forgiveness by kneeling at the yard for almost 2 days...such treachery, you would want to cut off his jewels too. Haven't we got that many modern day women doing this to their cheating husbands already?

Well haha i guess that's it for my deduction. Cheers!!

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Well done u guys! i was expecting some silly remarks like "this movie sucks" and etc, but some of u give really good points.

I still think the King was a top. Its quite impossible that the manly king is a bottom while the more feminine HL a top. Remember shortly after HL fcuk the queen for royal heir purpose the king ask him how does it feels like for finally being a man... And if u watched it the second time, pay attention to HL's pyjamas in the royal bedroom. Its quite similar to the one the Queen wears, with lace on the collars and ribbons. While the King wore a manly robe. So its quite obvious HL play a female role on the royal bed with the King.

And thats the whole point the king have HL castrated, isnt it? If HL a top, what would it do the King any good? If HL a bottom, that only means he wont be able to satisfy the queen no more, but the king can still penetrate him.

And no, the king was not castrated since young, no castrated person can ever be king cos they need to produce the royal heir!

I was hooked on the other bodyguard, the sepet eyes bodyguard who kinda looks like edison, omg, isnt he pretty? The one who was HLs buddy that help him but got tortured and beheaded at the end. What a waste!

my favourite scene....all the guards butt naked in the lake....LOL

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ChunkyMunky, obviously u havent been reading all my theories havent u? even Cock Brand at the end agree that the King was a top based on my strong points. Your points are not strong enough, so read.

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ChunkyMunky, obviously u havent been reading all my theories havent u? even Cock Brand at the end agree that the King was a top based on my strong points. Your points are not strong enough, so read.

Hey chill man, its cool...your theories hits the spot...great!! *Hands you the trophy* Keke, just a movie, just stating what i thought, no biggy =)

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ChunkyMunky, obviously u havent been reading all my theories havent u? even Cock Brand at the end agree that the King was a top based on my strong points. Your points are not strong enough, so read.

Heh heh, my dear Imchaser,

I had only agreed with you that the king is probably a top while he was a teenager and Honglin was still very much a kid. Later when Honglin became a man, the king took the btm role.

You see, the king's most important mission is to have an heir to the throne to save himself. But on that night when the queen suggest to sleep over, the king confessed to her that he cannot do a woman. But he told the queen that to have an heir, its not impossible, theres a solution.

The king is still in his prime and to impregnate a woman is not that difficult. He don't have to make love to her,

just close his eyes and do a quickie thats it. All he need is an offspring.

But he just cant do it.

Why?

Cos this thingy is a softie and unfortunately, Viagra is only invented 500 years later!

That is a plain and direct suggestion that the king is definately a btm, he can't even fxxk to save his life literally!

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Heh heh, my dear Imchaser,

I had only agreed with you that the king is probably a top while he was a teenager and Honglin was still very much a kid. Later when Honglin became a man, the king took the btm role.

The king is still in his prime and to impregnate a woman is not that difficult. He don't have to make love to her,

just close his eyes and do a quickie thats it. All he need is an offspring.

But he just cant do it.

Why?

Was that really that complicated, my dear? was it?

Why he cant do it? Why? Cos he is gay, hello? Can u do a quickie with a woman? U cant even get it hard, right?

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Was that really that complicated, my dear? was it?

Why he cant do it? Why? Cos he is gay, hello? Can u do a quickie with a woman? U cant even get it hard, right?

Tsk Tsk Tsk.

I know you just want to annoy me.

You know I have the DVD.

Perhaps you are hoping that I'll say :

"How about coming over to my place and we watch the movie again together on my laptop and we can review it one more time, OK?.

Try harder baby, I might. ;)

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Tsk Tsk Tsk.

I know you just want to annoy me.

You know I have the DVD.

Perhaps you are hoping that I'll say :

"How about coming over to my place and we watch the movie again together on my laptop and we can review it one more time, OK?.

Try harder baby, I might. ;)

pspspspspspspspsp...i'd like to know the truth! *whispers*

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Tsk Tsk Tsk.

I know you just want to annoy me.

You know I have the DVD.

Perhaps you are hoping that I'll say :

"How about coming over to my place and we watch the movie again together on my laptop and we can review it one more time, OK?.

Try harder baby, I might. ;)

Ill rather admit that im wrong all these while and u guys r right, the King is the bottom and i sorry i was thinking with my butt, than to accept your offer to watch it with u on your laptop.

But i know u been eyeing me for sometime already, just be direct next time if u wanna meet, no need to do all the reverse psychology u doing now.

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Was that really that complicated, my dear? was it?

Why he cant do it? Why? Cos he is gay, hello? Can u do a quickie with a woman? U cant even get it hard, right?

The king is a btm lah. If he is top he wont be so stick to honglin and SOOOOOO jealous. If he is top then he will find honglim hole loose after so many years and will want to taste virgin holes.

This is what we all argue to in kopitiam. The tops all say king is btm because from experiences. Even we btms not sure also agree because behave of king is not hamsup to honglim like that hamsup king in chinese movie. All the tops we know very hamsup got chance only they want to pok pok you happy. See us only sure ask tonight book you gok gok then pok pok thing happy want or not.

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The king is a btm lah. If he is top he wont be so stick to honglin and SOOOOOO jealous. If he is top then he will find honglim hole loose after so many years and will want to taste virgin holes.

This is what we all argue to in kopitiam. The tops all say king is btm because from experiences. Even we btms not sure also agree because behave of king is not hamsup to honglim like that hamsup king in chinese movie. All the tops we know very hamsup got chance only they want to pok pok you happy. See us only sure ask tonight book you gok gok then pok pok thing happy want or not.

You are SOOOOOOOOOO cock/top-dependant lah ... why do you need to depend/care so much on a dick/top ?

Not all bottoms are just looking for a dick or a top ... dont look down on yourself ...

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wah! this is still going on huh?

seemed like most of us concluded the king is btm other than iamchaser. and if imchaser insist the king is top, so be it la... for all we know, the king may be flexi btm. top also can, btm also can, only that he is more btm. anyway, no end rite?... tsk tsk tsk... anyway, we all have our own views. things can get a little tiring debating something that probably has no clear answer.

but well, top/flexi/bottom and everything in between, i think the most impt thing is that we enjoy the movie rite?

:-)

ps: i think we can all agree that most of us, regardless of top or btm, if we meet someone we are really crazy over, we can chose to assume the opposite role for him rite?... (operative word here is - most of us. i know some will not agree)

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You are SOOOOOOOOOO cock/top-dependant lah ... why do you need to depend/care so much on a dick/top ?

Not all bottoms are just looking for a dick or a top ... dont look down on yourself ...

Haha I meet so many people all tell me different thing ones.

I tell people I bottom let men play my backside some will say you happy can already fxxk care people say what. Some say aiyah..... why you make so cheap wait people look down on you. Then some say bottom so what dont look down on yourself.

I find the most look down on bottoms are the tops. That is why here we still care so much if king is top or bottom very impotant if king is bottom or versatile then you sure hear people say aiyah......

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something that i came across and thought is very nice and meaningful. made me tear a little when i watch them.

prayers for bobby part 1

prayers for bobby part 2

prayers for bobby part 3

prayers for bobby part 4

prayers for bobby part 5

prayers for bobby part 6

prayers for bobby part 7

prayers for bobby part 8

prayers for bobby part 9

but do be warned that it is a very heart wrenching true story of Bobby Griffith, a gay teenager whose life ends in tragedy when his family cannot accept his sexuality. superb acting by sigourney weaver. be prepared with lotsa tissue paper if you are those who cries easily.

it certainly brought back a lot of memories for me.

enjoy the show.

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something that i came across and thought is very nice and meaningful. made me tear a little when i watch them.

prayers for bobby part 1

prayers for bobby part 2

prayers for bobby part 3

prayers for bobby part 4

prayers for bobby part 5

prayers for bobby part 6

prayers for bobby part 7

prayers for bobby part 8

prayers for bobby part 9

but do be warned that it is a very heart wrenching true story of Bobby Griffith, a gay teenager whose life ends in tragedy when his family cannot accept his sexuality. superb acting by sigourney weaver. be prepared with lotsa tissue paper if you are those who cries easily.

it certainly brought back a lot of memories for me.

enjoy the show.

Thanks for sharing this nice.

But i hope this moment can come to asia countries like malaysia, etc...

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yup...have to agree with dance66

it bring alot of sad memories when i started to feel the real me.How my family reacted to me especially both my parent.

My dad avoided me for awhile,ignoring me that i cried.along the journey when i am done with my NS and started to work,My life become more harder

to stay with my familly due to my race and my religion.My whole family still dream on and hoping that i am not gay and hope that i will settle down with a wife and start my own family,children.My sister trying to match-make or blind date with her frenzs....

Still within i play along but i knew myself and my deeper inside who i am...

Eventually,i settle and decide to stay alone by renting out with ajs when i am 24yrs old,far from family voices.

To whom who knew i am a gay but others like my close chinese guy frenz from institution,i hide my real self.

One day,when he came for coffee with me and we started to talk abt gay,he openly says that gay is a freak...

My heart and inner self shattered into thousands of pieces...i told myslef i cant lose a close frenz like that by telling him who i am..

sighh...till when i still want to hide myself infront of my frenzs.

I hope and pray that our youngster wont have to suffered when they just trying to knew their ownself.

I am sure we all are not asked to be born to earth this way..We stil human beings like others too.

thanks dance66 to share the video with all of us.... ;)

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something that i came across and thought is very nice and meaningful. made me tear a little when i watch them.

it certainly brought back a lot of memories for me.

enjoy the show.

Thank you Dancer66 for sharing such a moving true story with me...it brought back alot of memories esp when i was born during that era and had no guidance at all with regards to my sexuality. I cried buckets cos of the emotions involved in the show and hope that this will be shown here (unlikely) as the message is so strong for families to accept their gay sons/daughers...

After watching it, i pondered at how lucky i am with my life and having someone to share it with for the past 34 years....

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I know that Ryan Kelley guy who acted as Bobby in that show, we met in an online game (he was really popular in the forums& yes he is not fake.) and I was a fan of him after I saw him in 'Mean Creek'. He did say that Scott Bailey(the guy Bobby was in a relationship with) was a good kisser, haha. Unfortunately Ryan isn't gay (his ex-girlfriend was always on the set with him back then) He now stars in the upcoming Ben 10 Alien swarm!

wah, really offtopic.

anyway i watched that movie and it touched me soo much. Ryan is such a good actor.

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Where can I get a copy of this movie? I would love to watch it :)

i bought the original dvd at beach road for sgd34.00 last nite.

though expensive, it saves me the trouble of getting it online.

according to the shop owner, 8 mins of scene was censor shown on cinema...

all my gay theme dvds were bought from them including the love of siam, city without baseball.

the dvd 'permenent residence' is not out yet according to them so i will wait....

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where in bugis can i get it? location pls

i bought the original dvd at beach road for sgd34.00 last nite.

though expensive, it saves me the trouble of getting it online.

according to the shop owner, 8 mins of scene was censor shown on cinema...

all my gay theme dvds were bought from them including the love of siam, city without baseball.

the dvd 'permenent residence' is not out yet according to them so i will wait....

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i bought the original dvd at beach road for sgd34.00 last nite.

though expensive, it saves me the trouble of getting it online.

according to the shop owner, 8 mins of scene was censor shown on cinema...

all my gay theme dvds were bought from them including the love of siam, city without baseball.

the dvd 'permenent residence' is not out yet according to them so i will wait....

Where in Bugis did you get it? How about you invite us to your place to watch?

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I really don't see wat the fuss this movie is abt. It is obviously a movie made to cash in on the spending power of us gays. And for a predominantly gay movie, why r there so many freakin' hetero sex scenes between the guard & the queen but only 1 miserable scene between the 2 male leads? I felt so cheated after watching it. Yep, i'm shallow, i like watching men getting it on on the big screen. Haha.... Be warned beforehand, u'd be sorely disappointed if u're not a fan of boobs. :P I'm also not a fan of tragic gay stories, there are too many around already. Who says we gays have to end our lives tragically?

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anyone remember there is a movie was make about red light district ard Bugis. There is nude frontal of the male actor......

Whoa, that movie is about 15 years old, directed by Yong Fan who also directed the more famous "Bishonen".

Its called "Bugis Street", about a group of transvestites (some of them in the movie are real trans) living and working in a small prewar hotel in Bugis Street.

If you have not seen the movie its fine, you are not missing anything - lousy script, poor acting.

There were a couple of frontal nude scenes of the male actor, one showing him being stripped and blow by his sex hungry trans lover - hes got nice bod too :twisted:

Remember theres also one scene showing a naked trans - man's didi with woman's boobs, having sex with client.

And theres also a very young Benedict Goh - that severely cockeyed TCS actor - playing a student.

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this show is very artistic and the story line is very good. it is not only very well flimed, all the actors are doing a very good job...y care only for the gay sex scene!!!

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