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Now China will want to call it AmericaVirus 🤪

 

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/new-postmortem-covid-19-began-us-january-mistaken-flu-12668646 

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12 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

To be honest, I don't get any feeling that the PAP government knows what it is doing, and what it is supposed to do at all. All they are doing now is to mimic what other countries had done, and also follow what the ancient textbooks had taught them about contact tracing. They have no plans, no clues, and no vision as to how we should be moving forward at all. 

 

There are so many questionable actions and decisions made right now....

Is not a feeling,  is a fact now everyone can see clearly though some still refuse to accept the fact because it hurts oouch.... 

Very slow response from the beginning and now can only do fire fighting....plans? Yes they have extended the CB for one more month.

 

1 hour ago, leo yok loo said:

You pay peanuts you get monkeys, fair enough. You pay millions doesnt mean you will get good people. 

You pay them millions every year only makes them talk like millionaire. 

Precisely,  if u dare to draw CEO pay,  the make sure u produce CEO quality, cannot be drawing CEO pay and having intern's quality and responsibility, like that everyone also want. 

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1 hour ago, Nightingale said:

In this case, it's monkeys earning millions.

For the past many years, they treated the foreign construction workers like toilet paper..now toilet paper storeroom on fire, monkeys try to put it out.

After this crisis, do you think politicians and bosses will treat them like A4 paper? Everything is profit oriented.

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24 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

 

Yeah, just like the way you spit poisonous baseless accusations from atop of your moral high horse. Funny you should bring this up about forum members. 

You must be one of these kinds. Now trying so hard to defend yourself huh ~ 

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1 minute ago, Kimochi said:

You must be one of these kinds. Now trying so hard to defend yourself huh ~ 

 

No need for anyone to defend themselves, when you are doing such a fine job attacking yourself. Carry on.... 加油!

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2 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

 

No need for anyone to defend themselves, when you are doing such a fine job attacking yourself. Carry on.... 加油!

See, you just revealed your ugly side again. 

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7 minutes ago, Kimochi said:

See, you just revealed your ugly side again. 

 

Encouraging you by telling you to carry on and 加油 is revealing my ugly side? You very very hard to please. 

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7 minutes ago, FattChoy said:

This thread has degenerated into trolling and Trump hating and flaming.  The moderator should move this whole thread to the Flaming Room.

 

Trump? Where? 

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2 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

 

Encouraging you by telling you to carry on and 加油 is revealing my ugly side? You very very hard to please. 

Then don't ~

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1 hour ago, Kimochi said:

Of course. Because you suck at it. 


 I don't need to be good at it, when you are doing such a good job showing all of us how well you can be in attacking yourself.. LOL! 

 

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2 minutes ago, Guest Try and see said:

 

How come undergraduates nowadays even got time to start business and cook for people? I don't even have time to eat during my undergraduate days... 

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If a Singaporean who breached his SHN can be jailed for 6 weeks, I want to see what is the sentence to be meted out to the American who breached his SHN to go CHINATOWN POINT to do shopping

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/courts-crime/man-who-breached-stay-home-notice-to-eat-bak-kut-teh-sentenced-to-6-weeks

 

Singaporean who breached coronavirus stay-home notice to eat bak kut teh sentenced to 6 weeks' jail

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9 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

1,037 new coronavirus cases, bringing Singapore's total to 11,178

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/1037-new-coronavirus-cases-bringing-singapores-total-to-11178

 

Total number surpassed South Korea now... 

Another day or two, and we will be ahead of Japan. 🤦‍♂️

And we haven't even done the mass community testing in the Singapore population yet. 

And our total cases per million population is almost 6x more than the world's average... 

 

Country,
Other
Total
Cases
New
Cases
Total
Deaths
New
Deaths
Total
Recovered
Active
Cases
Serious,
Critical
Tot Cases/
1M pop
Deaths/
1M pop
Total
Tests
Tests/
1M pop
World 2,640,929 +5,213 184,283 +217 722,717 1,733,929 58,248 339 23.6    
China 82,798 +10 4,632   77,207 959 63 58 3    
India 21,797 +427 681   4,376 16,740   16 0.5 500,542 363
Japan 11,950   299   1,424 10,227 241 94 2 130,587 1,033
Singapore 11,178 +1,037 12   896 10,270 27 1,911 2 94,796 16,203
S. Korea 10,702 +8 240 +2 8,411 2,051 55 209 5 583,971 11,390

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

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Only good thing is our death rate is still low, I wonder if it’s cos we got the weaker strain. Can’t imagine if we get the potent one, our healthcare is already stretched so far.

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13 minutes ago, jlone said:

Singkieland is sinking. Here is such a tiny island with so much cases. Nobody is coming to help us?

We are in a such a helpless stage? Terrifying!

 

Like that you call sinking...? This is nothing yet. Wait till the flights all reopen and then people from INDIA and CHINA all comes flooding in with all their viruses and all their fake health certificates etc  OK? When that time happens with all the new import cases, then we talk about sinnnnnking....

 

 sinking james cameron GIF

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22 minutes ago, leo yok loo said:

Ok lets do our maths:

Total FW=280000, discount to 200000;

Each day test 1k plus, discount to 1k;

Assume all kena...

200000÷1000=200days

200÷30=6.6months

My god....

 

Sg claimed they are going up to 3000 tests per day, which I don't believe. But even at 3000 tests per day, this really pales in comparison to what the South Koreans did at 15,000 tests per day. And they have done this more than a month ago. 

 

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/coronavirus-cases-have-dropped-sharply-south-korea-whats-secret-its-success#

 

"The government hopes to control new clusters in the same way it confronted the one in Shincheonji. The national testing capacity has reached a staggering 15,000 tests per day. There are 43 drive-through testing stations nationwide, a concept now copied in the United States, Canada, and the United Kingdom."

 

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21 minutes ago, leo yok loo said:

Ok lets do our maths:

Total FW=280000, discount to 200000;

Each day test 1k plus, discount to 1k;

Assume all kena...

200000÷1000=200days

200÷30=6.6months

My god....

 

Where u get 280000 from? 158 say we have 400000. Each day Fatty say we are only testing up 2-3k.

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5 hours ago, FattChoy said:

This thread has degenerated into trolling and Trump hating and flaming.  The moderator should move this whole thread to the Flaming Room.

 

The title of this thread is All About Covid-19 Discussion In Singapore (Compiled). Nobody mentioned anything on Trump. Quoted post is not logical.

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How is it that a migrant worker who is already positively identified to be infected and already warded in the hospital, still walk around the hospital and later found dead at the staircase landing of the hospital?? If they are doing this in the hospital, they can be walking around in the dormitories, and maybe even in the community. 

 

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid19-khoo-teck-puat-hospital-indian-national-unnatural-death-12669686

 

Migrant worker with COVID-19 dies from injuries after being found motionless at staircase landing in Khoo Teck Puat Hospital

SINGAPORE: The police are investigating a case of unnatural death after a man was found motionless at a staircase landing in Khoo Teck Puat Hospital.

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2 hours ago, leo yok loo said:

Ok lets do our maths:

Total FW=280000, discount to 200000;

Each day test 1k plus, discount to 1k;

Assume all kena...

200000÷1000=200days

200÷30=6.6months

My god....

Not enough testing kits,  have to get from oversea but wait,  didn't we send them to China and some of our neighbouring countries,  are they helping us now? 

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On 4/22/2020 at 6:12 PM, Guest Guest said:

 

Not just this one, OK.... ? Our "Gold Standard" now all over the world already...  (sorry, but all these articles are subscription based, cannot cut and paste here for people to read even with the links in place)

 

???

 

No problem to open the article and post it here:   (Actually, article is so so...)

Singapore lost control of its coronavirus outbreak, and migrant workers are the victims

 
APRIL 21, 2020 Washington Post

Shekor arrived in Singapore a decade ago at age 17, one of many low-income migrant workers who have powered the city’s growth, building hospitals, subway lines and the Marina Bay Sands resort.

In his years working in aluminum production and on construction sites, the Bangladeshi national has suffered various work-related injuries. The most recent, on March 18, left him with searing pain in his left hip.

That was also the date that coronavirus infections in the city-state — whose early response epidemiologists had lauded as the gold standard — began soaring, from 313 then to more than 9,000 as of Tuesday, after two days of record jumps. 

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Almost 70 percent of Singapore's coronavirus cases are concentrated in migrant dormitories.

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Singapore's migrant workers face a heightened risk of infection because of overcrowded living quarters, poor nutrition, limited access to health care and personal protective equipment, low wages and, in some cases, discrimination.

Thousands of new cases — and almost 70 percent of Singapore’s total — are concentrated in dormitories that house migrant workers, who have been locked down in their quarters as authorities seek a solution. For Shekor, who gave only his first name for fear of retribution from his employer, it means no access to painkillers he needs just to sleep.

“Everything is so difficult for everybody here,” he said in a phone interview from his dormitory of 25,000, where hundreds have been infected. “It seems like they only take the most serious ones to hospital; the normal ones like me, no one takes care of us.”

 

The situation highlights the vulnerability of migrant workers, who in Singapore make up one-third of the labor force. Their risks of infection are exacerbated by overcrowded living quarters, poor nutrition, limited access to health care and personal protective equipment, low wages and, in some cases, discrimination.

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A construction site in Singapore lies empty on April 11 during a halt to nonessential work to stem the spike in coronavirus cases.

In the Persian Gulf, laborers’ quarters also have become infection hotspots. As in Singapore, many migrant laborers are from South Asia. Elsewhere, African migrants in China are facing discrimination and xenophobia, refused entry into restaurants or evicted from their homes. Singapore’s largest Chinese-language broadsheet, Lianhe Zaobao, recently published a letter from a reader who blamed the migrants for the outbreaks, labeling their countries “backward” and their practices dirty.

In Singapore, critics say these events have revealed a hubris among the authorities and the wider community, who took for granted their initial success in keeping infection numbers low while failing to prepare for the possibility of an outbreak among the most downtrodden.

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A worker on a dormitory balcony. 

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Workers hang out in a dormitory compound. About a dozen compounds have been put on quarantine, which means workers are confined to their rooms.

“For the first two months, we engaged in a lot of self-congratulation,” said Alex Au, vice president of rights group Transient Workers Count Too (TWC2). “If anyone had cared to look, the dangers were already there.”

Authorities had planned for the epidemic with a focus only on citizens, he said, distributing surgical masks, hand sanitizer and reusable masks only to Singaporean households. Singaporean residents returning from the United States and Britain, meanwhile, were put up in four- and five-star hotels paid for by the government.

“This reflects the deliberate invisibilization of the foreign worker; the whole machinery of state operates as though they don’t exist,” Au said.

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A volunteer at the Migrant Workers Center helps organize bottles of hand sanitizer that will be distributed to the workers.

HealthServe, a nonprofit providing subsidized health care to migrant workers, said migrants had been anxious as early as February about the virus and their level of risk in overcrowded living conditions. But a change in regulations meant volunteer doctors and nurses staffing the organization’s nonprofit clinics could no longer serve part-time, forcing it to cut services by 90 percent.

“This was a situation we felt was going to come, even if we were hoping for the best,” said Suwen Low, spokeswoman for HealthServe.

A spokesman for the Ministry of Manpower responded to a request for comment from The Washington Post with a news release, issued April 14, saying that authorities are working to “reduce the number of workers in the dormitories and also implement a medical support plan at all dormitories.”

 

Workers in essential services have been moved out of dormitories, the ministry said, while officials were identifying alternative accommodations for others, such as army camps, sports halls, vacant housing blocks and shipping containers.

“Our immediate priority for the workers in the dormitories is to help them stay healthy and minimize the number that get infected,” said Josephine Teo, Singapore’s manpower minister, in a news conference last week. 

In an address to the nation on Tuesday, Singapore prime minister Lee Hsien Loong began by noting that the number of new cases in the local community has leveled off before acknowledging the problematic sharp rise in total cases overwhelmingly among migrants.

“We will care for you just like we care for Singaporeans,” he said. “We will look after your health, your welfare and your livelihood.”

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HealthServe volunteers prepare to attend to patients at a clinic. The organization provides low-cost medical services to migrant workers.

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Migrant workers wait to be seen at a HealthServe clinic.

Authorities are also working with organizations such as the Migrant Workers Center, which has a program of “ambassadors” who are helping their colleagues and friends understand hygiene practices, social distancing and practicalities like how to send remittances online. Yeo Guat Kwang, the group’s chairman, said the focus should be on improving conditions in the future.

“In hindsight, everyone would be wiser,” Yeo said. “But this is really an unprecedented global pandemic.”

A second wave of coronavirus infections began taking root in Singapore in mid-March, similar to other places in Asia, like Hong Kong and Taiwan, as residents abroad flocked back to the region when outbreaks intensified in Europe and the United States. But while Hong Kong managed this spike, getting new cases down to single-digits for more than eight days straight, and Taiwan recorded several days this month with no new cases, Singapore now has among the highest number of cases per capita globally.

The migrant workers bearing the brunt of the outbreak are overwhelmingly male and employed in construction and other labor-intensive sectors that Singaporeans avoid. The typical construction worker in Singapore earns about $430 a month, while the median monthly income for Singaporeans is $3,227.

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This field is usually crowded with migrant workers enjoying a day off.

“To keep them cheap, we have to exploit,” said Au from TWC2. “We pack them into [trucks], we pack them into dormitories, and now, when a crisis hits, they have no buffer.”

Clusters have been identified in many dormitories. More than a dozen dormitories have been placed under quarantine, meaning workers cannot leave their rooms, while nearly all dormitory residents are now barred from leaving the facilities, which are guarded by police.

The more than 200,000 dormitory residents are now anxious, bored, isolated and scared. Unable to buy their own groceries, cook for themselves or purchase phone cards to call home, they are almost completely dependent on charity and handouts.

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Migrants wait outside the grocery store at the Migrant Workers Center. The workers are overwhelmingly male and employed in construction and other labor-intensive sectors that Singaporeans avoid. 

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Migrants leave the store with their purchases. The typical construction worker in Singapore earns about $430 a month, while the median monthly income for Singaporeans is $3,227.

A worker in one of the worst-hit dormitories, who only wanted to be identified by his first name, Ali, was treated for a sore throat and fever before the lockdown, and placed on sick leave until April 9. He was given an “advisory for patients with respiratory tract infection” — a status that means he has to isolate himself from others or be fined $7,000.

That was impossible in his 12-person room, he said. Ali’s cough persisted, but under lockdown, he was unable to seek medical attention for several days.

“Who will give me any treatment or help?” he said in an interview. “I am so scared I will die before any help comes.”

 

Authorities say that infected dormitory residents have been linked through common work sites, and through places like shopping malls, where many gather on their days off. In the dormitories, before the lockdown, men were able to socialize with each other and cook together, a distraction from their physically demanding jobs and the difficulty of being away from their families.

In an interview Thursday, Ali said he was finally able to see a doctor, who gave him cough syrup and tested him for the coronavirus. He has not heard back. His 11 roommates are trying to keep their distance from each other, but find it near impossible. On a trip to the bathroom on Thursday evening, he found that there was no hand soap.

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An ambulance leaves a dormitory compound.

In the evenings, he passes the time by reading engineering books and speaking to his family.

“I told my brother about my symptoms, and he explained it to my mother back in Bangladesh,” he said. “She just started crying.”

 

Jennifer Chowdhury in Dhaka, Bangladesh contributed to this report. Photo editing by Olivier Laurent. Design by Joanne Lee.

 

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On 4/22/2020 at 6:37 PM, mature chn said:

Agree. We should not keep on flooding our country with foreign workers. Why is it only Singapore who need so many so many foreigners?We should not rely on them so much. The govt has been spending so much money on them...  

 

I would be interested to enquire in what way the Singapore Government has been spending so much money on Foreigners?

 

Can you elaborate for us. Thanks

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22 minutes ago, lonelyglobe said:

Not enough testing kits,  have to get from oversea but wait,  didn't we send them to China and some of our neighbouring countries,  are they helping us now? 

 

Actually, I think they do have the test kits. But they still do not want to use them for the strange reason below:

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/coronavirus-up-to-3000-tests-for-covid-19-done-daily-in-spore-most-on-foreign 

 

 

"Earlier on Tuesday, Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong, in an address to the nation, said that in addition to developing and manufacturing its own test kits Singapore was also getting them from overseas.

 

Mr Gan explained during the press conference that this was intended to help keep testing options open here.

 

"We want to be able to also use different models, different test kits, different ways of testing," he said.

 

He added that the purchase of test kits from overseas was also intended to help Singapore increase its testing capacity and capabilities, in order to prepare for the eventual lifting of circuit breaker measures."

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1 minute ago, Nightingale said:

At 2 mins 35 secs, Josephine Teo: “We're not perfect but we do what we can.  Yes, we took some safe distancing measures within the dormitories and if we were able to rewind the clock, one could say these safe distancing measures need to go much further.”

 

With the type of salaries they are getting, they had better be more than perfect. 

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4 minutes ago, Nightingale said:

At 2 mins 35 secs, Josephine Teo: “We're not perfect but we do what we can.  Yes, we took some safe distancing measures within the dormitories and if we were able to rewind the clock, one could say these safe distancing measures need to go much further.”

 

 

That's all she can say? Never admit mistakes at all and still look so happy!

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21 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

They really should be doing mass community testings on the citizens already, instead of keeping us all at home and wait for the infected  to further infect their own family members. 

 

And the funny thing is how they have already said they have local test kits suppliers, but they are still buying the test kits from overseas to "keep our options open". How is buying test kits from overseas "keeping our options open"? Is someone overseas (or even locally under the table) profiting seriously from these test kits..?

 

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/singapore-must-test-a-lot-more-for-covid-19-before-circuit-breaker-can-be-lifted-gan-kim-yong-132743545.html

 

There are so many questionable actions and decisions made right now....

 

You are repeating this plea for mass testing over and over. 

 

No country has been doing mass testing for the complete population. 

You would be required to test everyone, every day for having accurate test results. 

And if you ask all people to go to the testing centres, queue up, then you don't need to impose any lockdown measures, because the people would all get together, queue up, wait for results and pose a risk of getting infected in filtering out maybe 1% or less who are covid 19 spreaders. 

 

Even South Korea has never done any "mass testing" of the whole population. South Korea has only done more tests compared to other countries. The total amount of tests was around 350,000 for a 51 million population in the earlier days.  Here are the new data: 

 

Testing in Korea(as of 12am on April 23, 2020, data aggregated from January 3)

  • Tests Performed
    583,971
  • Tests Concluded
    573,832
  • * Positivity Rate

    * postitive tests / total number of tests concluded * 100%

    1.9 %

 

The only country having done a lot of testing is Germany: 

 

euronews - 27-03-2020

Germany has increased its number of COVID-19 tests to 500,000 per week, a German scientist said on Thursday.

"The reason why Germany has so little deaths compared to its number of confirmed cases can be explained by the fact that we have a lot of laboratory diagnoses," said Dr Christian Drosten from Berlin's Charité University Hospital. "We do 500,000 tests every week in Germany," he added.

 

Germany has developed it's own test kits, which seem 99% reliable on the results. The other issue required to undertake "mass" testing is the availability of laboratories to verify the tests. Singapore seems not to have sufficient resources for any such mass testing as there aren't sufficient laboratories in the country. These seem to be the obstacles on mass testing. 

 

On a note: Most of the Mainland Chinese test kits seem faulty. (see the article about India on Straits times, and plenty of other countries). 

 

Here you find another response which gives you a clue: 

 

CNA: 23 Apr 2020 10:06AM

On Thursday, Deputy Public Prosecutors Kenneth Chin and Norman Yew explained that Tham had not been tested for COVID-19 as routine testing of asymptomatic individuals under a stay-home notice was "not necessary under prevailing Ministry of Health policies".

"It is not possible to test everyone in Singapore for COVID-19," said Mr Chin. "MOH adopts a considered and targeted approach to test individuals where necessary."

He added that those on stay-home notices will be tested only if they develop a fever or respiratory symptoms, and that routine testing of asymptomatic individuals "is not encouraged as a negative test result does not imply the absence of COVID-19 infection".

"A negative test may arise in an infected person if the test was conducted early during the incubation period of his illness and he may become symptomatic later, despite an earlier negative test," said Mr Chin. 

 

 

 

If the government can't even provide "mass testing" for incoming travelers to Singapore or returning Singaporeans and other residents of Singapore, how can they propose any mass testing???????? 

 

The No. 1 positions are not always real no. 1s. 

And not all that shines like Gold is always real gold,.... 

Its like the relevance of wooden parquet and laminate. In problem times, the laminate often comes down........ and is visible. 

 

 

People always laugh about certain continents having certain concepts (and result in certain government budget costing), but privatisation, lean government and "outsourcing" of essential functions can result in complications if you require or need backup from any such essentials when issues arise. 

 

I m sure you can draw your own conclusions...

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4 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

 

Total number surpassed South Korea now... 

Another day or two, and we will be ahead of Japan. 🤦‍♂️

And we haven't even done the mass community testing in the Singapore population yet. 

And our total cases per million population is almost 6x more than the world's average... 

 

Country,
Other
Total
Cases
New
Cases
Total
Deaths
New
Deaths
Total
Recovered
Active
Cases
Serious,
Critical
Tot Cases/
1M pop
Deaths/
1M pop
Total
Tests
Tests/
1M pop
World 2,640,929 +5,213 184,283 +217 722,717 1,733,929 58,248 339 23.6    
China 82,798 +10 4,632   77,207 959 63 58 3    
India 21,797 +427 681   4,376 16,740   16 0.5 500,542 363
Japan 11,950   299   1,424 10,227 241 94 2 130,587 1,033
Singapore 11,178 +1,037 12   896 10,270 27 1,911 2 94,796 16,203
S. Korea 10,702 +8 240 +2 8,411 2,051 55 209 5 583,971 11,390

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

 

 

If Singapore will overtake China in 2 weeks, then the world can be very aware for the Mainland Chinese Total case numbers to be realistic and truthful. 

 

🤧🤣🤡

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53 minutes ago, Nightingale said:

At 2 mins 35 secs, Josephine Teo: “We're not perfect but we do what we can.  Yes, we took some safe distancing measures within the dormitories and if we were able to rewind the clock, one could say these safe distancing measures need to go much further.”

 

 

Right,  we are not able to rewind the clock but we definitely can revised your pay cheque to $2k per month, real CB. 

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54 minutes ago, Nightingale said:

At 2 mins 35 secs, Josephine Teo: “We're not perfect but we do what we can.  Yes, we took some safe distancing measures within the dormitories and if we were able to rewind the clock, one could say these safe distancing measures need to go much further.”

 

 

Think if that is the case, any members from BW , including guests can become minister.

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