Covid Situation in SG discussion (compiled)

[singalion]

On 9/11/2022 at 10:21 AM, Guest Wtf said:

and if you respect so much the people dying, why have you stopped posting the daily count? Do the people who died since straits times stopped reporting the numbers each day count less than those who died when it was easy for you to cut and paste? 
 

 

There is no need to respond to your nasty attacks. 

 

[singalion]

On 9/11/2022 at 10:21 AM, Guest Wtf said:

First, on January 1, there had already been 828 Covid deaths. Now, the total is around 1,600. So where are the ‘approx 1,500 or more’ deaths you are referring to? 

 

 

The Omicron phase is considered to have started in mid November 2021  

 

Your propagations that Omicron is akin a flu has been a long time back defeated by the death numbers. 

 

My main point was always in consideration of the elderly, vulnerable and immunocompromised. 

 

Unfortunately, your post always misrespected these groups. 

 

Coming now here and pretending Omicron had no effect is false. 

 

By the way I have no real mood in entertaining your quarrelsome attacking posts. 

 

 

[Guest Wtf]

On 9/11/2022 at 9:41 AM, singalion said:

 

 

 

 

Your post is ignorant and disgusting for all approx 1,500 or more deaths since January 2022 from Omicron and all those who suffered the loss of their loved husbands, wives, grandparents, sisters, brothers, cousins, uncles, aunts or even children. 

 

Once again you come here and pretend Omicron had no impact. 

Please update yourself!

 

You should be ashamed of yourself to write something such disgusting and nasty without any respect of those who died. 

 

You also have no respect for those concerned from the loss. 

 

There was nothing wrong what I wrote because the deaths unfortunately materialised. 

 

 

 

On 9/11/2022 at 9:23 PM, singalion said:

 

The Omicron phase is considered to have started in mid November 2021  

 

Your propagations that Omicron is akin a flu has been a long time back defeated by the death numbers. 

 

My main point was always in consideration of the elderly, vulnerable and immunocompromised. 

 

Unfortunately, your post always misrespected these groups. 

 

Coming now here and pretending Omicron had no effect is false. 

 

By the way I have no real mood in entertaining your quarrelsome attacking posts. 

 

 

So no response to the fact that you are exaggerating the number of deaths? This type of fake news from you is really distasteful. 

[Guest Wtf]

On 1/27/2022 at 12:31 PM, singalion said:

 

You must brush up your maths a bit.

 

Let's say 90% are vaccinated.

 

Singapore has 5.6 mil residents.

 

That makes 560,000 unvaccinated people.

 

Official numbers reported from Singapore to certain institutions says 2 doses vaccinated is at 83% (booster at 52%)

 

Then the unvaccinated people are at around 1 million.

 

I am not proposing any lockdown, but you cannot reduce the risk at such misleading levels as what you posted above.

 

You should look up the numbers from the unvaccinated deaths.

 

Here a report from the US:

During April 4–December 25, 2021, a total of 6,812,040 COVID-19 cases among unvaccinated persons and 2,866,517 cases among fully vaccinated persons were reported among persons aged ≥18 years in 25 U.S. jurisdictions; 94,640 and 22,567 COVID-19–associated deaths among unvaccinated and fully vaccinated persons, respectively, were reported by December 4 (Table 1). Average weekly, age-standardized rates of cases and deaths (events per 100,000 population) were higher during periods of Delta predominance and Omicron emergence than during pre-Delta and Delta emergence periods and were consistently higher in all periods among unvaccinated persons (range = 64.0–725.6 [cases] and 1.5–11.4 [deaths]) than among fully vaccinated persons (range = 7.4–230.9 and 0.1–0.7).

 

 

COVID-19–associated deaths

Omicron emergence (first week in December 2021)††

2,230

9.7

682

0.5

NC

(Note: this is just looking at Omicron and not the other Covid 19 variants)

 

Rates of COVID-19 cases were lowest among fully vaccinated persons with a booster dose, compared with fully vaccinated persons without a booster dose, and much lower than rates among unvaccinated persons during October–November (25.0, 87.7, and 347.8 per 100,000 population, respectively) and December 2021 (148.6, 254.8, and 725.6 per 100,000 population, respectively) (Table 2). Similar trends were noted for differences in the mortality rates among these three groups (0.1, 0.6, and 7.8 per 100,000 population, respectively) during October–November. Age-standardized case IRRs among unvaccinated persons compared with fully vaccinated persons with a booster dose declined from 13.9 during October–November to 4.9 during December, representing potential decreases in crude VE for infection from 93% to 80%, respectively. Comparing unvaccinated persons with fully vaccinated persons without a booster dose, age-standardized case IRRs during October–November and December were 4.0 and 2.8 respectively, representing decreases in VE from 75% to 64%. During October–November, age-standardized IRRs for deaths among unvaccinated persons were 53.2 compared with those in fully vaccinated persons with a booster dose and 12.7 compared with persons without a booster dose; these results represented crude VE against death of 98% and 92%, respectively. Protection improved among persons who received a booster dose compared with not receiving a booster, regardless of primary series vaccine product type. Booster doses provided the largest gains in protection among persons aged ≥65 years followed by persons aged 50–64 years when compared with those aged 18–49 years.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e2.htm

 

The report gives unvaccinated people a 85% higher risk of death compared to vaccinated (2 dose or booster).

 

Also note there is still a 0.5 % of deaths for vaccinated people. (That would make 23,000 rounded up 6 deaths in this group per week). [Note, there is correction as the number was not a percentage but on 100,000, representing the death in one week. It would result in 6 deaths per week for this group and 24 deaths for vaccinated people per month.]

 

The 9.7 % death rate for non vaccinated people would result in roughly 108,000 deaths taken the 1 mil group of unvaccinated Singapore residents... The number is not even looking at risks of people with underlying conditions.

[Note the number was corrected as the 9.7% was not a percentage but a reference to 100,000,

However note the number is indicative for one week only, therefore a monthly dead toll would be 432]

 

 

 

Please do not post here as if Omicron "is just a flu" and that there is no risk at all.

 

 

 

anyway, we already confirmed you can’t do numbers from this little shitshow of a post where you claimed more than 400 people would die per month. 

[singalion]

On 9/12/2022 at 8:23 AM, Guest Wtf said:

anyway, we already confirmed you can’t do numbers from this little shitshow of a post where you claimed more than 400 people would die per month. 

 

You know very well that people can only calculate from past numbers. 

 

There was nothing wrong on this calculation at the point of time it was done, because it followed the official statistics. 

 

The number was 9.7 deaths per 100,000. On that indicative number the calculation was done. 

 

Therefore, nothing was wrong with the calculation. 

 

 

[singalion]

On 9/12/2022 at 7:38 AM, Guest Wtf said:

 

So no response to the fact that you are exaggerating the number of deaths? This type of fake news from you is really distasteful. 

 

Then, why didn't the Singapore government relax all Covid restrictions, already in February 2022 if your point had been correct? 

 

Also, you always downplayed Omicron and compared to a flu. 

 

Then, why are the deaths of Omicron still much higher than for a flu?

 

Please note the additional 1,200 and above deaths from Omicron do not even cover a full year period! 

 

Also strange that more posters here objected heavily to your repeated ignorance and downplaying posts. 

 

 

[sgmaven]

We all know that the relaxation of COVID measures by the government is not so much that the threat has been eliminated, but more about enabling economic activity, as well as appeasing the public who are tired of restrictions.

 

By placing the responsibility of wearing masks back to the individual, those who are at higher risk or feel that way can easier don a mask. Those who don't bother, can happily not wear a mask, but they will be responsible for their own actions (ie. if they get COVID-19 or pass it to an elderly member of their family).

[Guest Wtf]

On 9/11/2022 at 9:41 AM, singalion said:

 

 

 

 

Your post is ignorant and disgusting for all approx 1,500 or more deaths since January 2022 from Omicron and all those who suffered the loss of their loved husbands, wives, grandparents, sisters, brothers, cousins, uncles, aunts or even children. 

 

Once again you come here and pretend Omicron had no impact. 

Please update yourself!

 

You should be ashamed of yourself to write something such disgusting and nasty without any respect of those who died. 

 

You also have no respect for those concerned from the loss. 

 

There was nothing wrong what I wrote because the deaths unfortunately materialised. 

 

 

wow. So at no point in all your replies have you admitted or accepted that your first sentence is totally wrong? 
 

there have not been ‘1,500 or more deaths since January 2022 from Omicron’.
 

As with so many of your posts, you have either read the data wrong or are twisting facts to suit your narrative.

 

Would it not be more honest to admit your mistakes, rather than then doubling down and posting ever more elaborate replies? 

 

 

 

[sgmaven]

MOH Report on excess mortality during the COVID-19 pandemic up to June 2022

 

Interesting read.

[sgmaven]

Influenza-associated Deaths in Tropical Singapore

 

In a paper published by SGH/MOH in 2006, they estimate that influenza causes about 588 excess deaths a year in Singapore.

 

With reference to the MOH Report on Excess Mortality During the COVID-19 Pandemic (quoted above), we see that MOH estimates 2490 excess deaths during the 2.5 year period, associated with COVID-19. This represents another 996 excess deaths per year (from the 2019 baseline used), due to COVID-19.

 

Of course, some would say that 1000 or so excess deaths out of more than 5 million people is nothing. 🙄 And that the statistics shows that COVID-19 is no more deadly than the flu (although it really says it is almost twice as deadly).

Edited September 23, 2022 by sgmaven

[Guest Wtf]

On 9/23/2022 at 3:53 PM, sgmaven said:

Influenza-associated Deaths in Tropical Singapore

 

In a paper published by SGH/MOH in 2006, they estimate that influenza causes about 588 excess deaths a year in Singapore.

 

With reference to the MOH Report on Excess Mortality During the COVID-19 Pandemic (quoted above), we see that MOH estimates 2490 excess deaths during the 2.5 year period, associated with COVID-19. This represents another 996 excess deaths per year (from the 2019 baseline used), due to COVID-19.

 

Of course, some would say that 1000 or so excess deaths out of more than 5 million people is nothing. 🙄 And that the statistics shows that COVID-19 is no more deadly than the flu (although it really says it is almost twice as deadly).

Wouldn’t logical thought dictate that there might be excess deaths during a global pandemic? 
 

What the statistics clearly show is positive impact of vaccination and the waning severity of the virus. 
 

Thanks for sharing this information. 

[sgmaven]

On 9/23/2022 at 5:06 PM, Guest Wtf said:

Wouldn’t logical thought dictate that there might be excess deaths during a global pandemic? 
 

What the statistics clearly show is positive impact of vaccination and the waning severity of the virus. 
 

Thanks for sharing this information. 

It also shows that the number of excess deaths is far greater than that for flu...

[Guest Wtf]

On 9/23/2022 at 10:10 PM, sgmaven said:

It also shows that the number of excess deaths is far greater than that for flu...

You already made that point. I answered it.

 

So let me repeat my point, if you will repeat yours: Thanks again for sharing this link which confirms that the easing of restrictions and move to endemic were the correct approach with high vaccination rates and a virus of waning severity. 

[sgmaven]

Despite all the vaccinations, Singapore is still reporting more than a thousand local cases of COVID a week. Sure, it is much lower than the more than 10k new cases a day, but it is by no means a small number. I attribute it to the nonchalant attitude most locals have towards the virus nowadays. At the height of the pandemic, most people would not even think about stepping outside if they either had a cough or a running nose, and would immediately seek medical attention. Nowadays, you regularly see people coughing and sneezing in public, all while not masking up.

 

Deaths, thankfully have been low. Our last reported deaths from COVID was on 8 Sep.

[Guest Wtf]

On 9/24/2022 at 4:39 PM, sgmaven said:

Despite all the vaccinations, Singapore is still reporting more than a thousand local cases of COVID a week. Sure, it is much lower than the more than 10k new cases a day, but it is by no means a small number. I attribute it to the nonchalant attitude most locals have towards the virus nowadays. At the height of the pandemic, most people would not even think about stepping outside if they either had a cough or a running nose, and would immediately seek medical attention. Nowadays, you regularly see people coughing and sneezing in public, all while not masking up.

 

Deaths, thankfully have been low. Our last reported deaths from COVID was on 8 Sep.

not sure if you made a typo but it’s well over a thousand cases a day. And the the huge decline in ICU and death rates confirms the importance of vaccinations and that the virus can now be treated as endemic. 
 

do we want people with a cough or running nose clogging up the healthcare system? Wouldn’t  it be better for doctors and nurses to focus on the thousands of other ways that people get sick - most of which are. Ore severe than Covid?  

[Guest Wtf]

On 9/24/2022 at 5:22 PM, Guest Wtf said:

not sure if you made a typo but it’s well over a thousand cases a day. And the the huge decline in ICU and death rates confirms the importance of vaccinations and that the virus can now be treated as endemic. 
 

do we want people with a cough or running nose clogging up the healthcare system? Wouldn’t  it be better for doctors and nurses to focus on the thousands of other ways that people get sick - most of which are. Ore severe than Covid?  

last sentence should of course be ‘most of which are more severe than Covid’ 

[sgmaven]

On 9/24/2022 at 5:22 PM, Guest Wtf said:

not sure if you made a typo but it’s well over a thousand cases a day. And the the huge decline in ICU and death rates confirms the importance of vaccinations and that the virus can now be treated as endemic. 
 

do we want people with a cough or running nose clogging up the healthcare system? Wouldn’t  it be better for doctors and nurses to focus on the thousands of other ways that people get sick - most of which are. Ore severe than Covid?  

Sorry, my bad... Well over a thousand new cases a day.

 

I am not suggesting that these coughing and sneezing people have go to the doctors, but should at least isolate themselves. Although, now that the numbers have dropped to about 10% of the high levels before (peak of the Omicron wave), I think there isn't as much of a strain on the local healthcare system if they were to see their doctors (if they are so concerned about their condition).

[Guest guest]

Any reasons why even we have such a high vaccination and booster rate, and there is no new covid variant, and yet our cases still over 1000-2000+ everyday?

[sgmaven]

On 9/26/2022 at 9:54 PM, Guest guest said:

Any reasons why even we have such a high vaccination and booster rate, and there is no new covid variant, and yet our cases still over 1000-2000+ everyday?

Who said there is no new COVID variant? The mutations on each of the new Omicron variants are more numerous than the mutations seen in the first few variants, just that the various strains are still put under the Omicron umbrella.

[singalion]

50S$ just for not getting a second jab???

 

Man bribes CCK nurse S$50 to complete Covid-19 vaccination record without second jab

4 Oct 2022

 

A man faces up to five years imprisonment if found guilty of bribing a nurse to alter his medical records to show he had received his second Covid-19 vaccination when he had not.

 

Kelvin Tan Li Ming, 35, went to court on Monday (Oct 3) over a single charge of offering S$50 bribe to part-time vaccination nurse Ms Eunice Lee En Hui at the Healthway Vaccination Centre at Choa Chu Kang Community Club.

Ms Lee told the court that she was providing Pfizer jabs on Oct 26, 2021, when she met Tan at the booth in the vaccination hall.

 

After verifying his name and identification card number, Ms Lee confirmed that Tan had received the first dose of the vaccine.

 

At this moment, Tan asked if he could give her S$50 in exchange for recording in the system that he had received the second dose when he had not.

 

Ms Lee refused and asked why he did not want to be vaccinated, given he had already done so previously.

 

“He mentioned he doesn’t believe in the whole COVID-19 situation,” said Ms Lee, as reported by Channel News Asia.

Tan added that the Pfizer doses were brought in “for stocks, for Singapore’s economy.”

 

As Tan needed to be vaccinated for his new job, he asked what would happen if he offered Ms Lee more money.

Ms Lee still refused, noting it had something to do with her integrity and licence.

 

Tan said that “integrity is not important,” noting he had been unemployed for a long time.

“So I told him that integrity is very important; maybe that’s the reason why he has been jobless for so long,” Ms Lee said in her reply to Tan.

Ms Lee further said it was the first she had encountered such a request, and kept the vaccine vial in case Tan decided to use it as a weapon.

She immediately reported the incident to her manager and wanted to double-check if the same thing happened during Tan’s first vaccination.

 

A police report was filed against Tan, who was asked to leave the vaccination hall by then.

Tan, who was defending himself, claimed he never clearly stated offering S$50 to Ms Lee for her to alter the records.

“I did ask two questions. If I can remember vaguely – (the first one was) can you edit the system, then we talked for a while. After that, I asked you a second time – is S$50 enough? These two questions are not in succession and are different, not joined together.”

 

Following various tips by the judge and prosecutor on how to cross-examine the witness, Tan questioned Ms Lee about her experience in the field and asked if she had ever faced difficult patients.

 

“If a patient approached you and said I’m having things, I don’t know what’s happening to me, how would you answer?” he asked.

“I will ask them to see a doctor, or I will inform the doctor,” responded Ms Lee.

Tan asked for an example and how Ms Lee resolved the issue.

Ms Lee said it was confidential, and Tan replied, “OK, no problem.”

Tan also asked Ms Lee if she ever made an error in her 10 years on the job, to which Ms Lee said no.

“So you are perfectness, ah,” said Tan.

Ms Lee replied, “No one is perfect; I’m just being professional.”

The investigation officer on Tan’s case had tested positive for Covid-19 and will have physical testimony postponed or changed to a video recording.

If convicted for offering a bribe, Tan could be imprisoned for up to five years, fined up to S$10,000 or both.

 

[lonelyglobe]

On 9/26/2022 at 9:54 PM, Guest guest said:

Any reasons why even we have such a high vaccination and booster rate, and there is no new covid variant, and yet our cases still over 1000-2000+ everyday?

It have increase to 5 to 6k daily over the past few days and the number  is just going to rise further. 

 

Removing indoor mask is just another mistake made but no choice for economic sake. Due to a successful campaign to treat covid as nothing but just common flu, a lot of people dont really care now or perhaps when more than 70% of the population have kena covid,  there is nothing more to worry. Eventually,  everyone will get covid at least once. 

 

Current vaccination and booster are not going to prevent u from getting the omicron variant,  it just protect u from admitting into hospital or ICU. 

Edited October 7, 2022 by lonelyglobe

[sgmaven]

Well, many people do not consider COVID-19 to be any big issue anymore. I recently came down with flu-like symptoms, and immediately started to test myself daily with ART, intending to isolate if I was ART-positive. As it turned out, ART has been negative, so it is just a flu. I have been masking up, when I need to go out of my home. However, it seems that most people don't even bother to don a mask anymore, even when they are coughing or have a running nose. So, no wonder why the infection rates don't go down, because there are so many walking around coughing and sneezing (spreading aerosol). I even wonder if those exhibiting symptoms like cough or running nose even bother to do an ART test?

[Guest Wtf]

On 10/7/2022 at 6:18 PM, sgmaven said:

Well, many people do not consider COVID-19 to be any big issue anymore. I recently came down with flu-like symptoms, and immediately started to test myself daily with ART, intending to isolate if I was ART-positive. As it turned out, ART has been negative, so it is just a flu. I have been masking up, when I need to go out of my home. However, it seems that most people don't even bother to don a mask anymore, even when they are coughing or have a running nose. So, no wonder why the infection rates don't go down, because there are so many walking around coughing and sneezing (spreading aerosol). I even wonder if those exhibiting symptoms like cough or running nose even bother to do an ART test?

Hang on, so you thought you might be positive with covid or flu but decided not to isolate yourself until recovered?

 

this is quite strange behaviour from someone who seems so concerned with other people exercising social responsibility. 

[sgmaven]

On 10/7/2022 at 6:22 PM, Guest Wtf said:

Hang on, so you thought you might be positive with covid or flu but decided not to isolate yourself until recovered?

 

this is quite strange behaviour from someone who seems so concerned with other people exercising social responsibility. 

I tested myself daily, to check if it was COVID, and it was ART-negative. I have been limiting my movements out of my home, so it is mainly to get food, when I am fully-masked (I takeaway, and don't dine-in as a habit). I knew someone like "Guest Wtf" would try to corner me about social responsibility...

 

1. Well, I have tested myself with ART a few times, so I am quite convinced it is a common flu, and not COVID. Symptoms are also quite different from COVID-19 when I got it in Feb.

2. I don't go out (probably once a day for less than 20 minutes), and mask up when I go out, trying to avoid contact with others.

3. I also do not ride in the same lift as other people. If someone wants to enter the lift, when I am already in it, I exit the lift.

 

It sure beats people who are going about maskless and coughing and sneezing. Not even sure if they bother to test themselves with ART kits either.

 

I know that "Guest Wtf" will say that I should lock myself in my home throughout, until I am well. Well, I do wonder if he will do the same, if he comes down with a cold? Also, I live alone, so I still have to buy my own food/groceries.

[Guest Wtf]

On 10/7/2022 at 7:02 PM, sgmaven said:

I tested myself daily, to check if it was COVID, and it was ART-negative. I have been limiting my movements out of my home, so it is mainly to get food, when I am fully-masked (I takeaway, and don't dine-in as a habit). I knew someone like "Guest Wtf" would try to corner me about social responsibility...

 

1. Well, I have tested myself with ART a few times, so I am quite convinced it is a common flu, and not COVID. Symptoms are also quite different from COVID-19 when I got it in Feb.

2. I don't go out (probably once a day for less than 20 minutes), and mask up when I go out, trying to avoid contact with others.

3. I also do not ride in the same lift as other people. If someone wants to enter the lift, when I am already in it, I exit the lift.

 

It sure beats people who are going about maskless and coughing and sneezing. Not even sure if they bother to test themselves with ART kits either.

 

I know that "Guest Wtf" will say that I should lock myself in my home throughout, until I am well. Well, I do wonder if he will do the same, if he comes down with a cold? Also, I live alone, so I still have to buy my own food/groceries.

So you are quite happy go out and about when you are symptomatic and that’s ok because other people do worse?
 

And you are fine to spread fly around even though vulnerable people die of flu?

 

And you know that you can have covid and be infectious before an art test detects it? It’s actually very common. 

and have you heard of foodpanda or Deliveroo or grab?

 

wow wow wow -nagging about the rest of the world while doing whatever you want… 

[sgmaven]

On 10/7/2022 at 7:15 PM, Guest Wtf said:

So you are quite happy go out and about when you are symptomatic and that’s ok because other people do worse?
 

And you are fine to spread fly around even though vulnerable people die of flu?

 

And you know that you can have covid and be infectious before an art test detects it? It’s actually very common. 

and have you heard of foodpanda or Deliveroo or grab?

 

wow wow wow -nagging about the rest of the world while doing whatever you want… 

Oh wow! So you are telling me that you isolate yourself when you have a flu? Tell me you lock yourself at home, in your room, until you recover from a flu! I am not having a fever, or do I have any major symptoms. Do you also isolate yourself when you experience the slightest symptoms?

 

I am not saying what is okay if people are doing worse. I am telling you that I am testing myself everyday, before I want to go out to get food. If ART does not detect anything, it implies that the viral load is very low, even if it were COVID. I also wear a mask, and minimise contact with others. I also know that everything I say will never "make you happy", and you are just trying to undermine me.

 

You do realise that using food delivery also does not totally eradicate the chance of transmission, so what makes you think that using food delivery is actually a lower risk method?

 

I wonder where you get your "information" on infectiousness and ART-testing? Care to quote the reference?

[Guest guest]

On 10/7/2022 at 6:18 PM, sgmaven said:

Well, many people do not consider COVID-19 to be any big issue anymore. I recently came down with flu-like symptoms, and immediately started to test myself daily with ART, intending to isolate if I was ART-positive. As it turned out, ART has been negative, so it is just a flu. I have been masking up, when I need to go out of my home. However, it seems that most people don't even bother to don a mask anymore, even when they are coughing or have a running nose. So, no wonder why the infection rates don't go down, because there are so many walking around coughing and sneezing (spreading aerosol). I even wonder if those exhibiting symptoms like cough or running nose even bother to do an ART test?

I think news got reported recently many people are down with normal flu and cough. So people now really treat covid and normal flu as same thing, no need to mask up or do any prevention. Like during pre-covid days, when a person is sick with flu and cough, no one wear a mask and life still goes on as per normal.

[Guest guest]

On 10/7/2022 at 8:38 PM, sgmaven said:

Oh wow! So you are telling me that you isolate yourself when you have a flu? Tell me you lock yourself at home, in your room, until you recover from a flu! I am not having a fever, or do I have any major symptoms. Do you also isolate yourself when you experience the slightest symptoms?

 

I am not saying what is okay if people are doing worse. I am telling you that I am testing myself everyday, before I want to go out to get food. If ART does not detect anything, it implies that the viral load is very low, even if it were COVID. I also wear a mask, and minimise contact with others. I also know that everything I say will never "make you happy", and you are just trying to undermine me.

 

You do realise that using food delivery also does not totally eradicate the chance of transmission, so what makes you think that using food delivery is actually a lower risk method?

 

I wonder where you get your "information" on infectiousness and ART-testing? Care to quote the reference?

I find those food delivery has a high risk of transmission of covid. Back then when everyone WFH and no dine-in is allowed, i also hear people who stay alone and only order food delivery and got infected with covid even he did not go out of the house at all.

[sgmaven]

On 10/7/2022 at 9:55 PM, Guest guest said:

I think news got reported recently many people are down with normal flu and cough. So people now really treat covid and normal flu as same thing, no need to mask up or do any prevention. Like during pre-covid days, when a person is sick with flu and cough, no one wear a mask and life still goes on as per normal.

Ultimately, there is a difference between the common flu and COVID-19, as the number of excess deaths has shown. That is why it is still important to test yourself with an ART kit, if you display any symptoms. Unfortunately, public communication of this hasn't been great, and like you said, most treat COVID-19 no different from the common flu.

[sgmaven]

On 10/7/2022 at 10:06 PM, Guest guest said:

I find those food delivery has a high risk of transmission of covid. Back then when everyone WFH and no dine-in is allowed, i also hear people who stay alone and only order food delivery and got infected with covid even he did not go out of the house at all.

I think that the food delivery personnel are at a higher risk of transmission, since they not only have contact with numerous food vendors, but also the number of delivery locations. Coupled with the fact that there is no longer a mask mandate, most of these food delivery agents do not mask up, or wear gloves. As a result, all it takes is for one person in that long list to be infectious, and the virus can potentially be spread from there.

 

If you are isolating yourself, you could ask the food delivery agent to leave the food at your doorstep. However, I am not sure how many people who are isolating will also bother to disinfect the doorways to their homes. These surfaces (formites) can also harbour the virus and pass on the infection, if the food delivery agent happens to touch those surfaces.

[Guest Wtf]

On 10/7/2022 at 8:38 PM, sgmaven said:

Oh wow! So you are telling me that you isolate yourself when you have a flu? Tell me you lock yourself at home, in your room, until you recover from a flu! I am not having a fever, or do I have any major symptoms. Do you also isolate yourself when you experience the slightest symptoms?

 

I am not saying what is okay if people are doing worse. I am telling you that I am testing myself everyday, before I want to go out to get food. If ART does not detect anything, it implies that the viral load is very low, even if it were COVID. I also wear a mask, and minimise contact with others. I also know that everything I say will never "make you happy", and you are just trying to undermine me.

 

You do realise that using food delivery also does not totally eradicate the chance of transmission, so what makes you think that using food delivery is actually a lower risk method?

 

I wonder where you get your "information" on infectiousness and ART-testing? Care to quote the reference?

I realize lots of things but I am not the hypocrite policing the rest of the world while acting however I like. 
 

On 10/8/2022 at 12:05 AM, sgmaven said:

I think that the food delivery personnel are at a higher risk of transmission, since they not only have contact with numerous food vendors, but also the number of delivery locations. Coupled with the fact that there is no longer a mask mandate, most of these food delivery agents do not mask up, or wear gloves. As a result, all it takes is for one person in that long list to be infectious, and the virus can potentially be spread from there.

 

If you are isolating yourself, you could ask the food delivery agent to leave the food at your doorstep. However, I am not sure how many people who are isolating will also bother to disinfect the doorways to their homes. These surfaces (formites) can also harbour the virus and pass on the infection, if the food delivery agent happens to touch those surfaces.

how are people catching Covid from their doorways? Licking them? This is exactly my point: you are hyper alert to the most minute and obscure risks and yet when you are potentially infected, you carry on as normal because it’s too much hassle to be socially responsible. 

[sgmaven]

On 10/8/2022 at 7:53 AM, Guest Wtf said:

I realize lots of things but I am not the hypocrite policing the rest of the world while acting however I like. 
 

how are people catching Covid from their doorways? Licking them? This is exactly my point: you are hyper alert to the most minute and obscure risks and yet when you are potentially infected, you carry on as normal because it’s too much hassle to be socially responsible. 

Haha! Am I carrying on as per normal? If I were, I would be going out and meeting people, and not even wearing a mask. I am isolating as much as possible, leaving my home at most once a day (and for a limited time), while avoiding contact with as many as possible, but this is supposedly "carrying on as normal".... I wonder who is practicing double standards?

[Guest Wtf]

On 10/8/2022 at 1:49 PM, sgmaven said:

Haha! Am I carrying on as per normal? If I were, I would be going out and meeting people, and not even wearing a mask. I am isolating as much as possible, leaving my home at most once a day (and for a limited time), while avoiding contact with as many as possible, but this is supposedly "carrying on as normal".... I wonder who is practicing double standards?

Er, how am I practicing double standards? The levels of social responsibility I practice and that I expect from others are totally aligned. 
 

anyway, you don’t have to justify yourself to me. You just have to ask yourself whether you are really acting in the way you expect of others and in line with your views repeated in multiple posts here on the risk level of Covid and other infectious diseases to yourself and wider society.
 

If it sits right with you that you need to go out for food daily as this is ‘essential’ (even with all the many delivery options available), then you do you. 
 

 

 

[sgmaven]

On 10/8/2022 at 7:53 AM, Guest Wtf said:

how are people catching Covid from their doorways? Licking them?

Isn't this the exact concept of formites? That the virus can survive on surfaces for some time? No need to lick the surface, but to touch the surface, and then touch your eyes or face/mouth?

[sgmaven]

On 10/8/2022 at 4:45 PM, Guest Wtf said:

anyway, you don’t have to justify yourself to me. You just have to ask yourself whether you are really acting in the way you expect of others and in line with your views repeated in multiple posts here on the risk level of Covid and other infectious diseases to yourself and wider society.

 

If it sits right with you that you need to go out for food daily as this is ‘essential’ (even with all the many delivery options available), then you do you.

As I have said, I test myself using an ART kit before I exit my home, which has shown to be negative up to today (not even a faint line). Together with the differences in symptoms between COVID-19 and what I am experiencing, I am convinced it is a flu that I am having. As such, I do feel comfortable going to get food, while avoiding contact with others and masking up.

[Guest Wtf]

On 10/8/2022 at 6:31 PM, sgmaven said:

As I have said, I test myself using an ART kit before I exit my home, which has shown to be negative up to today (not even a faint line). Together with the differences in symptoms between COVID-19 and what I am experiencing, I am convinced it is a flu that I am having. As such, I do feel comfortable going to get food, while avoiding contact with others and masking up.

good for you. I would have through after nearly three years of a global pandemic that exactly the people who are worrying most about covid would also be more mindful of passing on coughs, colds, flus and covid. But I guess it is a bit ‘do as I say, not as I do’ for some. 

[sgmaven]

Quite an insightful video. So, the booster doesn't actually do much for the younger folk. In fact, the drop in efficacy of the vaccines, is not really due to waning immunity, but due to the mutating nature of the virus and what strain is the prevalent one.

[Guest XBB]

Here we go again! Cases are going up. Will gahment put us back in lockdown?

[Guest guest]

Whenever there is new covid variant, cases sure go up. The cycle just keeps repeating and repeating. Looks like the current XBB variant cases will be peak by mid Nov and then come down. Mandatory mask wearing for indoor might be resume if the cases continue to go up. Lockdown will not happen lah. Life still goes on even the covid cases go up again.

[Notti]

Life isn't any excitement without Covid-19!

Edited December 29, 2022 by Notti

[lonelyglobe]

At this point of time, there is only one ridiculous country in this world that still focus on doing PCR and lockdown.

 

Yes,  definitely need to have the indoor mask policy back,  in fact in the first place, it should not even be removed when we are still havibg thousand of cases daily. This wrong policy are part of the reason for the increase in infections. One perfect example is barber shop dont need to wear mask which is extremely a risky practice, u just need to have one XBB inside and that's it. 

 

I remember a few months back they mentioned estimated 70% poulation here kena covid before, so after this wave,  the percentage should reach at least 80 to 90%.

Edited October 16, 2022 by lonelyglobe

[thickhead79]

?
live with covid

number is no longer important 

what is covid? just another flu

[sgmaven]

Actually, China pursuing COVID-zero is not as ridiculous as it seems on the surface. Most already know that the most effective vaccines have been the mRNA vaccines, but most of China's population have been inoculated with the Sinovac or Sinopharm vaccines (Inactivated Virus), shown to have lower efficacy. Sinopharm's vaccine was shown to only have a 79% efficacy at preventing hospitalisation (note this is data from the trial at 14 days after the second dose), so it is likely to be even lower with the passage of time and the continued mutation of the virus. As a result, any outbreak of COVID-19 in a densely-populated urban centre is likely to cause undue strain on the healthcare system.

[sgmaven]

Do note that the current bivalent boosters are half based on the original wild strain, and half on BA4 & 5. I think the vaccine manufacturers speculated that the main strain circulating would be descendants of the BA.4 or BA.5 forms of Omicron. However, XBB is a mutation of the BA.2 line. Perhaps that is why XBB is more "successful" than the other strains that come from the BA.4 & BA.5 lineages, since it would encounter less resistance in the community. Not sure how many people got infected with the original BA.2 strain earlier in the year, otherwise, your risk of reinfection is actually relatively high. Coupled with everyone's nonchalant attitude towards the virus, no wonder why it is causing so many infections of late.

[Guest guest]

Since our govt here is to live with covid, so removing indoor mask policy not surprisingly at all. Some people might say the recent XBB variant which spike the covid cases here is because of the F1.

[lonelyglobe]

2 hours ago, Guest guest said:

Since our govt here is to live with covid, so removing indoor mask policy not surprisingly at all. Some people might say the recent XBB variant which spike the covid cases here is because of the F1.

The key here should be safe living with covid,  like when we say safe sex,  we mean to put on a condom,  likewise safe living, we put on a mask as protection.

 

F1 definitely one of the super spreading event but unfortunately the economic effect was too great to be ignored. If a small scale concert can have more than 100 covid cases,  we can easily multiply that number by the size of the F1 crowd and the number of days held. 

 

https://mothership.sg/2022/10/seventeen-fans-covid-spreadsheet/

[sgmaven]

I do wonder if tourists would be put off if Singapore still had a mask-mandate? Would they skip the F1, just because of that? If that is the case, then the "economic effect" argument is valid.

 

There is no doubt that wearing masks really helps reduce the transmission of the virus. If tourists don't really stop attending the F1 event despite the mask-mandate, then, is there another reason for Singapore dropping this mandate?

 

Is it more about Singaporeans being too fed-up with wearing masks? Perhaps most have the opinion that the risk of infection is acceptable, in exchange for the "freedom" to go maskless?

[Steve5380]

Maybe I should plan my next visit to Singapore during a F1 event. 

 

In this way,  while I visit Keybox, the new Ten Men, Hook,  those who are fans of car races will be somewhere else, and those who instead choose the gay saunas will share more of my interests.   If masks are not used, I can live with this.  I have been double-boosted,  now with 5 covid shots inside.  So I will not be any hazard for the cute guys in the saunas, and vice versa.

[Guest Gay patriot]

10 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

Maybe I should plan my next visit to Singapore during a F1 event.

 

I don't believe it's a smart idea unless you offer value to my beloved nation by investing at least a few hundred thousand to a million dollars and increasing employment opportunities for locals.

[Guest Patron]

15 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

Maybe I should plan my next visit to Singapore during a F1 event. 

 

In this way,  while I visit Keybox, the new Ten Men, Hook,  those who are fans of car races will be somewhere else, and those who instead choose the gay saunas will share more of my interests.   If masks are not used, I can live with this.  I have been double-boosted,  now with 5 covid shots inside.  So I will not be any hazard for the cute guys in the saunas, and vice versa.

Don't spoil my colorful sauna life @KB leh, pls go & climb the stairways to hell instead hor Mr Colonel Sanders.