juicyass Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 Have you ever realized that for the past years more and more gym fit/muscular bottoms are on the rise? I would say 8/10 muscly gay men are bottoms, while muscular pure tops are on the borderline extinction. You can hardly find any muscular pure tops in grindr or in sauna anymore. Literally, the gay apps/saunas are all full of bottoms. I am not kidding! There were numerous occasions where the masculine guy in the sauna approached me, just when I thought he was a top, he turned his back and grinded his ass against me. Back then, muscular tops were highly sought-after by majority of gay men, even more so now. At least when we see a masculine man, we perceive him as a top. These days, it has become the opposite of what we think they are. Whereas to now, the pure tops are mainly from unfit/overweight/skinny/feminine men. What is happening to the top-to-bottom ratio? How can it become so extreme these days? Hanabishi, lw_guy, HC-B and 1 other 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cutejack Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 Many got ED issues la. Food intake probably. How? Make it hard by force n sit on it? Aiyah got tops also u bottoms all choosy n reject de.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damienzo Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 That’s why recently there was a topic which says that bottoms are more feminine which I disagreed HC-B 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Thatguy642 Posted March 9 Popular Post Share Posted March 9 I guess traditionally tops were more muscular and masculine, and now all the bottoms want to get on that level because they believe that it’ll make them more attractive to the manly tops. now the tops got lazy and fat and all the bottoms are jacked. It’ll probably cycle around again. bluerunner, Heron, AgentFit and 2 others 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluerunner Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 @Damienzo, @Thatguy642: Your observations are inline with mine. Damienzo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radiusulnar Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 1 hour ago, Thatguy642 said: It’ll probably cycle around again. As the saying goes, What comes around goes around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Eddie Adrika Posted March 9 Popular Post Share Posted March 9 @juicyass I think what’s happening here reflects a bigger shift in how we understand masculinity, fitness, and sexual roles. For a long time, the stereotype was that muscular men were automatically tops, while bottoms were imagined as more feminine. But stereotypes rarely hold up in reality. Today, more guys are training for themselves… for health, aesthetics, or confidence without tying their gym routine to a sexual identity. That’s why we’re seeing more muscular bottoms: fitness doesn’t dictate preference. It’s also worth noting that sexual roles are fluid. Many men move between top, bottom, and versatile depending on context, partner, or mood. Apps and saunas give us a snapshot, but they don’t capture the full diversity of the community. The rise of gym‑fit bottoms doesn’t mean tops are disappearing… it simply shows that attraction and identity are evolving, and that people are freer to express themselves outside of old boxes. Another factor is cultural perception. In the past, muscular tops were highly sought after because they embodied a certain ideal of dominance. Now, bottoms are also embracing muscularity, not to mimic tops, but to feel attractive, empowered, and confident in their own skin. That’s a positive development… it shows that strength and fitness are no longer tied to one role. At the end of the day, what matters isn’t whether someone is top or bottom, muscular or not. What matters is authenticity, chemistry, and respect. Trends will always cycle, but the deeper truth is that our community is diverse, dynamic, and constantly redefining itself. And that’s something to celebrate rather than lament. youdoyou, Damienzo, travers and 5 others 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damienzo Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 If some couples are both tops or both bottoms, then how? Possible to rotate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenghou Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 It’s true. And I’m sad. in the fetish world, also noted that doms are becoming more fat and unattractive uncle types (I think they just using fetish as an excuse to get hot boys) whereas the subs are increasingly more attractive and muscular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asiandaddy Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 13 minutes ago, fenghou said: It’s true. And I’m sad. in the fetish world, also noted that doms are becoming more fat and unattractive uncle types (I think they just using fetish as an excuse to get hot boys) whereas the subs are increasingly more attractive and muscular. "..more fat and unattractive uncle types.." Ouch! There are a handful of fit and/or handsome tops/doms. Like in any tribes/communities, it may be tough, like a small percentage, but I wouldn't say it's non-existent. JustSimpleMe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iKneadyou Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 Since day 1, i’ve always concluded muscle gays are btm or “flex” or side Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damienzo Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 5 minutes ago, iKneadyou said: Since day 1, i’ve always concluded muscle gays are btm or “flex” or side How do you come to this conclusion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iKneadyou Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 8 minutes ago, Damienzo said: How do you come to this conclusion? Because almost all the muscle guys i chatted with via grindr were never tops. This is just my POV Damienzo, Hanabishi and juicyass 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juicyass Posted March 9 Author Share Posted March 9 3 hours ago, Thatguy642 said: I guess traditionally tops were more muscular and masculine, and now all the bottoms want to get on that level because they believe that it’ll make them more attractive to the manly tops. now the tops got lazy and fat and all the bottoms are jacked. It’ll probably cycle around again. Not to mention those fat or skinny to bones tops with big dicks, they could just whip it out and can attract a few bottoms flocking to him. They use it as leverage compared to those who are great in shape. I myself guilty as charged when I see a big dick from a fat top, I would kneel down and give him a good sucking. 😅 1 hour ago, Damienzo said: If some couples are both tops or both bottoms, then how? Possible to rotate? If both bottoms, the relationship is meant to be doomed from the start. I saw it first hand and many cases. On the other hand, when couples are both tops, they turn out to be fine. Because they usually both agree to open relationship. 59 minutes ago, fenghou said: It’s true. And I’m sad. in the fetish world, also noted that doms are becoming more fat and unattractive uncle types (I think they just using fetish as an excuse to get hot boys) whereas the subs are increasingly more attractive and muscular. Ikr! This is a case of many when all the tops are either fat or skinny. Somehow, we bottoms wouldn't mind because, at this point of life, we can't afford to be choosy anymore. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juicyass Posted March 9 Author Share Posted March 9 7 minutes ago, iKneadyou said: Because almost all the muscle guys i chatted with via grindr were never tops. This is just my POV This is true to the maxxxxx. when you come across some hot guys on grindr, their profile always shows that they are bottom. They are never flex - more like a 90% btms all the time, top only once in their lifetime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mate69 Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 Because it's much more pleasurable to be a bottom hhehehe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anon_cock Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 top just need hard big cock - something u are born with. dont need muscle. bottom need to attract those hard big cock with muscle... so yeah. p-2122 and asiandaddy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damienzo Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 13 minutes ago, mate69 said: Because it's much more pleasurable to be a bottom hhehehe Got some people told me that it can be quite painful for bottom if the dick is too big Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damienzo Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 11 minutes ago, Anon_cock said: top just need hard big cock - something u are born with. dont need muscle. bottom need to attract those hard big cock with muscle... so yeah. So bottoms usually have smaller dicks and dicks of tops have to be big? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anon_cock Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 Just now, Damienzo said: So bottoms usually have smaller dicks and dicks of tops have to be big? based on current porn trend, muscle bottom cock is insignificant! caged it! they are just a muscle pussy. man cunt! few decades ago the hot bottom is the kind that can hard while getting fucked... nowadays the focus of the bottom cock is now gone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoshisan Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 Hmm. Wish I can find some muscly bottom here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anon_cock Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Yoshisan said: Hmm. Wish I can find some muscly bottom here. look at those users with bod profile.. are they muscly enough for u? or its just lean fit? wah u 90kg, confirm is muscly kind... the others 50 to 60kg not muscly, just lean fit i guess. Edited March 9 by Anon_cock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damienzo Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 I’m still struggling to understand. Hmmm never mind mate69 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juicyass Posted March 9 Author Share Posted March 9 19 minutes ago, Damienzo said: I’m still struggling to understand. Hmmm never mind nothing much to be confused here. it is what it is. if the bottom have big dick, then so be it. There is no rules saying being a btm need to have small dick . My dick is on par to some of the tops who fucked me. they even asked me why I didn't try topping. Because I just didn't like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iKneadyou Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 39 minutes ago, Damienzo said: Got some people told me that it can be quite painful for bottom if the dick is too big Nope. It’s pain regardless depending on skills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damienzo Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 56 minutes ago, juicyass said: nothing much to be confused here. it is what it is. if the bottom have big dick, then so be it. There is no rules saying being a btm need to have small dick . My dick is on par to some of the tops who fucked me. they even asked me why I didn't try topping. Because I just didn't like it. Oh cos one of the guy here said that the bottom dick is insignificant, so my guess is that because it is hardly used. So having a big dick and hardly using it, seems like a bit wasted. Dart 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singalion Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 The top n bottom discussion in Singapore is anyway wasted time as 70 % just engage in Side nowadays. Personally , I thought the amount of tops in younger generation is higher nowadays compared to boomers. Lastly, locals here tend to primarily chase muscular or gym toned guys and mostly are looking for guys out of usual reach and most often end jerking to porn because there was no match (due to high unrealistic expectations). JamesAdmas and Eddie Adrika 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juicyass Posted March 9 Author Share Posted March 9 13 minutes ago, singalion said: The top n bottom discussion in Singapore is anyway wasted time as 70 % just engage in Side nowadays. Personally , I thought the amount of tops in younger generation is higher nowadays compared to boomers. Lastly, locals here tend to primarily chase muscular or gym toned guys and mostly are looking for guys out of usual reach and most often end jerking to porn because there was no match (due to high unrealistic expectations). Realistically speaking, muscular guys are composed of, maybe lesser than, 1% of entire local population. Not to mention there is gay and straight muscular guys, and this difference itself already split the percentage into half or lesser for gay muscular guys. They are rarest of rare. Therefore, what you said is completely true. To chase ONLY muscular gym fit guys is literally out of reach these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damienzo Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 One question: are there gays who enjoyed being top as much as being a bottom? mate69 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mate69 Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 1 hour ago, Damienzo said: One question: are there gays who enjoyed being top as much as being a bottom? of course!:) Damienzo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leckmich Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 it is the hormones. have you heard of endocrine disruptors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anon_cock Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 13 hours ago, Damienzo said: One question: are there gays who enjoyed being top as much as being a bottom? I feel like some choose tops cause they don't like to bottom. Pain la. Or some choose to be bottom cause they can't top. Can't stay hard or cum too fast. Some is can only top for certain kind or will only bottom for certain types. To fulfill some form of fantasy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damienzo Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 59 minutes ago, Anon_cock said: I feel like some choose tops cause they don't like to bottom. Pain la. Or some choose to be bottom cause they can't top. Can't stay hard or cum too fast. Some is can only top for certain kind or will only bottom for certain types. To fulfill some form of fantasy. Thanks for the insights. I always thought that a “rotation” in the roles might make it interesting for some individuals as if doing the same thing again and again might feel sian? But seems I might be wrong that 90% of gays (from the replies in this forum) actually prefer to stick to the role which they feel more comfortable with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Why? Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 On 3/9/2026 at 12:26 PM, juicyass said: What is happening to the top-to-bottom ratio? How can it become so extreme these days? The ratio has never changed since time immemorial. Bottom has always been "pandemic" in the gay community. The only things that have changed are dietary habits and people's increased awareness of their health. Eddie Adrika 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Adrika Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 3 hours ago, Why? said: The ratio has never changed since time immemorial. Bottom has always been "pandemic" in the gay community. @Why? Haha, pandemic eh? So bottoms are basically the COVID variant that never went away… mutating into new strains every season, spreading faster than gossip at brunch, and somehow always finding a host. Meanwhile, tops are like the rare vaccine doses: limited supply, high demand, and everyone scrambling for an appointment. Honestly, it’s less a ratio and more an epidemiology report! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterFitMalaySG4U Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Omg so true.... 👏 I feel like wanna vomit 🤢 hahaha most gyms are...those runner marathoner can tell.....bankers haha office job anyone work downtown so obvious haha you can tell by their dance too haha hyrox also haha Already bottom yet dare to give ego ignorant etc haha such a MF! Who give a fuck? I can show mirror your flaws your oily face maybe give u tips which brand is good haha...etc....your bodyfats why not defined brah???? Haha it is still the same! Too much ego flexing ah? Haha Your legs also haha I love those master dom tops like me relax go with flow and friendly.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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