Covid Situation in SG discussion (compiled)

[7heaven]

On 9/20/2021 at 11:12 PM, Nightingale said:

 

There are 2 main factors for controlling the pandemic.  Firstly, as I've said, the citizens must be united and resolute.  Both China and Sg have very obedient citizens.  Secondly, you must control the borders tightly.  If the lockdown is not effective, then something must be wrong with the people's discipline or the borders.  If borders are not controlled tightly enough, migrants can enter.  Yes, certainly there is a sacrifice to be done.  That's why the Hongkongers are complaining about the strict controls but then their infections are much lower than ours.  And that was how China succeeded - wave after wave, lockdown after lockdown.  Yes, there's bound to be leakage but the seriousness is minimised.  The virus is cunning enough to test people's discipline, unity & resolution.  If there's a loosening in terms of gathering based on religious needs or rights of individual freedom etc., then that's a weak link for viral penetration.  With the pandemic under control, Chinese cities have continued their businesses for more than a year already.  By now, you can see in Sg, maids gather near certain MRTs  and parks in droves with or without their Bangla boyfriends, having picnics and not observing safety distancing,  I raised the matter to the NEA and LTA and they did the necessary restrictions for the first time but subsequently they are just waiting for us to complain - same old bureaucratic attitude - don't do / pretend not to see until someone complains.  They don't monitor diligently and lack ownership.  So I gave up.  Even our locals are guilty of not keeping safety distances in public places while chatting away or queuing for purchases.  Yes, fatigue set in and people are getting complacent after those injections, so the happiest creature is the virus, waiting and mutating.

Actually China has not gotten the pandemic under control. Like Singapore, Australia, New Zealand, and most other countries, there will be sudden rise in infection cases from time to time. Just take a look at Xiamen and Putian in Fujian, China recently. 

 

Also, the locals in China are also guilty of not keeping with safe management measures otherwise there won’t be sudden surge of COVID cases in Xiamen and Putian. Therefore, the local authorises there had to resort to drastic measures of closing down dining places, scenic spots and other locations that tend to attract big groups of people.
 

This will definitely affect businesses since the shut-down happened during Mid-Autumn Festival and may potentially affect the upcoming Golden Week in October. These are 2 important holidays that typically draw large number of sales and with such shut-downs, businesses in China are affected. 
 

It can be seen that shut-downs will help in lowering covid cases but will definitely impact economy, so we cannot have it both ways regardless of countries. The only difference is Asian countries people tend not to protest about shut-downs. 
 

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China's Xiamen city tells residents to stay home as COVID-19 infection spreads
 

BEIJING: A city in south-east China hit by COVID-19 told residents on Saturday (Sep 18) to stay home and closed various venues, as infections spread in the country's latest hotspot during a key holiday travel season.

 

The government of Xiamen, in a series of notices, told residents not to leave home unnecessarily, closed parks, scenic spots and sports venues, and halted mass activities including tours, fairs and performances.

 

The measures - short of a full lockdown - came on the first of the four-day Mid-Autumn Festival holidays, a peak travel season across China.

 

Xiamen, a scenic city of 5 million, is one of four cities in the Fujian province - China's latest coronavirus hotspot - that have reported cases in recent days.

 

Visitors to Xiamen's residential compounds are not allowed without approval, non-essential vehicle traffic in and out of residential areas is forbidden, and dining in at restaurants, cafes and other venues is prohibited.

 

Also a transport hub for southeast China, Xiamen has reported 92 locally transmitted infections in the past week. That is about half the number of nearby Putian, where the first infection in this outbreak was reported on Sep 10.

 

The first patient in the Xiamen cluster was a close contact of a case in Putian, Xiamen authorities said on Monday.

 

Both cities kicked off city-wide testing for the coronavirus on Tuesday.

Since Sep 10, Fujian province has reported 292 community infections.

 

The outbreak comes ahead of the week-long National Day holiday starting on Oct 1, a far busier tourist season than the Mid-Autumn festival.

 

The last domestic outbreak in late July to August spread to tens of Chinese cities, hammering China's tourism, hospitality and transportation sectors.

 

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/asia/china-covid-19-xiamen-fujian-residents-stay-home-2187076

Edited September 20, 2021 by 7heaven
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[FattChoy]

On 9/21/2021 at 12:01 AM, 7heaven said:

 

Also, the locals in China are also guilty of not keeping with safe management measures otherwise there won’t be sudden surge of COVID cases in Xiamen and Putian. 

And could you enlighten us on the particular 'safe management measures' which you feel were not kept up by the locals prior/during the said surge?

[jlone]

Oh such a big city with  292 infections, but SG a tiny dot has already crossed by thousand over infections daily n will be going further up.

God saves SG !

Edited September 20, 2021 by jlone

[7heaven]

On 9/21/2021 at 12:38 AM, FattChoy said:

And could you enlighten us on the particular 'safe management measures' which you feel were not kept up by the locals prior/during the said surge?

In my opinion, it will be crowding in parks, scenic spots and sports venues and mass activities like tours, fairs and performances. Otherwise the authorities would not close then.

 

On 9/21/2021 at 12:01 AM, 7heaven said:

The government of Xiamen, in a series of notices, told residents not to leave home unnecessarily, closed parks, scenic spots and sports venues, and halted mass activities including tours, fairs and performances.

 

[7heaven]

On 9/21/2021 at 12:42 AM, jlone said:

Oh such a big city with  292 infections, but SG a tiny dot has already crossed by thousand over infections daily n will be going further up.

God saves SG !

 

Actually the denser a country the more likely COVID cases will be more because more people are cramped in a small area. People will bump into each other more frequently in a small area unless there are strict restrictions in place. 

[Guest Guest]

2 more deaths. Now very easily mati. Previously so few deaths. Why?

[Guest Sdollar]

On 9/20/2021 at 2:50 PM, Nightingale said:

 

Well, China has been very successful in doing it.

September 18, 2021 – China reported 46 new confirmed cases

September 17, 2021 – China reported 84 new confirmed cases

If for such a large country, you have less than 100 cases daily, what does it tell you about its pandemic control?  The whole nation must be united and have the willpower to withstand circuit breakers, reducing their frequency to a minimum.  Otherwise, what better solution do you have in mind?

You must be so happy to announce this for your China.

 

China successful? No, it's only bc  報喜不報憂。 just like you wumao.

If anybody report the actual figures, they will be arrested under their "any bad news is illegal" national "security" laws.

 

Others here already mentioned those cases that they couldn't cover or suppress despite of their draconian laws. 

Of course you'll never mention those like typical "balanced" wumao.

[Guest Sdollar]

Covid-19 flare-up takes sheen off China's Golden Week holidays

Elizabeth Law

China Correspondent

BEIJING - Before leaving for a beach holiday in tropical Hainan province, social media executive Mirage Qi had a to-do list. At the top was a Covid-19 nucleic acid test.

"Even though we called ahead to check with our hotel, which said it was not necessary since we were coming from Beijing, which does not have any Covid-19 cases, it's better to play safe," she told The Straits Times.

 

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/covid-19-flare-up-takes-sheen-out-of-chinas-golden-week-holidays

[People]

My brief opinion is this.

 

Yes, Sg is in the right path of opening up.

BUT…

Sg should just let go! Sg wanted to control the virus with an Iron Fist as though the viruses are obedient Sg people. That doesn’t work with these covid virus, sorry! End of the day the enforcements of monitoring  this, closing that, trace together, testing kits for all will only resulted in more cases surfacing and creating confusion and uncertainty.

 

How to tackle the virus? Besides everything sg has already done, nothing more except these:

 

Do not cramp so many people is this little island!

Tourists and short term visitors are OK!

Job wise, employing from overseas is ok BUT minimise unnecessary overseas employment. Prioritise Sporeans!

Population should be way lesser for the sake of covid!

If sg is unwilling to downsize the population, at least find a way and just do it just for now or until the covid situation is under control.

It may be logical for some business to downsize at current situation anyway.

 

Space is crucial. Give people their space. Space outdoors, space while we walk, space while we dine, space in the mrt, space to grow…

 

Those who feel unsafe and prefer to be lockdown, let them be isolated.

 

At this point while we are still Here discussing, many sporeans are already way ahead, seizing the moment and taking vacations in Germany etc and even Bkk is open for Quarantine Free Travel! That’s life, take care of hygiene and just go on. As though while you are driving on the street, drive safely and you’ll be ok.

 

Again these are just my thoughts, my first contribution to this thread and I may only post once, that’s it. I do not wish to waste each other’s time in arguments. You can either agree or disagree, I don’t care! And this is also not about politics, it is about covid so no assumptions please.

 

[Guest Guest]

On 9/20/2021 at 10:41 PM, Guest Wtf said:

you are comparing apples and oranges… Why don’t you answer my question: what do you do after another circuit breaker in Singapore when cases start rising again? Because they will.
 

Do you do another circuit breaker after that? And then another and another until what? Until you get to zero cases of a virus where, in a country with a high vaccination rate, you will anyway be asymptomatic or have mild symptoms in more than 98% of cases? And what else did getting to these zero cases achieve?  An economy destroyed, higher unemployment, higher mental stress, increased suicide rates, decreased education and socialization of kids, isolated elderly,etc. etc. 

 

 

Why don't you answer this question instead: if your solution is not to restart the circuit breaker as and when the need arise, is your solution to just let all people DIE from it instead? 

 

Your statement talking about "an economy destroyed, higher unemployment, higher mental stress, increased suicide rates, decreased education and socialization of kids, isolated elderly" are nothing more than justifications to prioritize businesses before human lives. 

 

It's been more than a year since covid 19 started, and yet the covid virus still cannot be tamed? Don't you forget that it was also in the name of the economy that the Indian variant was introduced into Singapore, and it was also in the name of the economy thst they allowed KTV hostesses to enter the country via boyfriend-girlfriend short term visa applications. 

 

Or is your memory so short that you have also conveniently forgotten that? What more do you want in the name of the economy? What are the normal citizens getting in the name of the economy? Higher unemployment when there are so many CECA in the country? Don't make me laugh!

 

Again, let's hope that those dying and dead are all restricted to you and your own family members. You deserve it. 

[Guest Guest]

On 9/21/2021 at 7:54 AM, People said:

Do not cramp so many people is this little island!

Tourists and short term visitors are OK!

Job wise, employing from overseas is ok BUT minimise unnecessary overseas employment. Prioritise Sporeans!

Population should be way lesser for the sake of covid!

If sg is unwilling to downsize the population, at least find a way and just do it just for now or until the covid situation is under control.

It may be logical for some business to downsize at current situation anyway.

 

Didn't you hear the CECA debate? Overseas employment are critical because Singaporeans have no talent and even RI students are illiterate. That's their justifications for overseas employment all these years. Where were you all these years ever since LHL took power? 

[leo yok loo]

You know when we put a person with electrical engg background as health minister, things are not good but still not too bad.

Now with a new one, things are getting out of hand.

Edited September 21, 2021 by leo yok loo

[leo yok loo]

On 9/21/2021 at 8:16 AM, Guest Guest said:

 

Didn't you hear the CECA debate? Overseas employment are critical because Singaporeans have no talent and even RI students are illiterate. That's their justifications for overseas employment all these years. Where were you all these years ever since LHL took power? 

Without CECA, we die. With CECA, we also die (of delta variant). Haha

We die left n right.

[Guest Wtf]

On 9/20/2021 at 11:12 PM, Nightingale said:

 

There are 2 main factors for controlling the pandemic.  Firstly, as I've said, the citizens must be united and resolute.  Both China and Sg have very obedient citizens.  Secondly, you must control the borders tightly.  If the lockdown is not effective, then something must be wrong with the people's discipline or the borders.  If borders are not controlled tightly enough, migrants can enter.  Yes, certainly there is a sacrifice to be done.  That's why the Hongkongers are complaining about the strict controls but then their infections are much lower than ours.  And that was how China succeeded - wave after wave, lockdown after lockdown.  Yes, there's bound to be leakage but the seriousness is minimised.  The virus is cunning enough to test people's discipline, unity & resolution.  If there's a loosening in terms of gathering based on religious needs or rights of individual freedom etc., then that's a weak link for viral penetration.  With the pandemic under control, Chinese cities have continued their businesses for more than a year already.  By now, you can see in Sg, maids gather near certain MRTs  and parks in droves with or without their Bangla boyfriends, having picnics and not observing safety distancing,  I raised the matter to the NEA and LTA and they did the necessary restrictions for the first time but subsequently they are just waiting for us to complain - same old bureaucratic attitude - don't do / pretend not to see until someone complains.  They don't monitor diligently and lack ownership.  So I gave up.  Even our locals are guilty of not keeping safety distances in public places while chatting away or queuing for purchases.  Yes, fatigue set in and people are getting complacent after those injections, so the happiest creature is the virus, waiting and mutating.

Again, you haven’t answered the question. You have just posted a load of generalizations and stereotypes, including some pretty sad anti-foreigner rhetoric.

 

You cannot compare apples and oranges (Singapore and China) here in terms of deciding what viable solutions there are to manage COVID 19 considering all the different public health and other factors at play. The third largest country in the world, with a population of 1.4 billion people, has options available to it that Singapore doesn’t in terms of closing borders. So it’s pointless to keep pointing to China in this thread - stick to the topic. And answer the question. 

 

 

[7heaven]

On 9/21/2021 at 12:19 PM, Nightingale said:

How do you define "under control"?  When you compare cases like mountains in many countries with slopes in China, shouldn't we be talking of "control" in relative terms.  Do you expect 100% nil to call it "under control"?  This is the news today.

https://www.zaobao.com.sg/news/china/story20210921-1195626

 

中国大陆31个省市区前天新增本土病例28起，均为福建报告。

 

You see that out of the country's 1.4 billion population, they have only 28 cases.  Isn't that considered "under control" compared to the number of cases in tiny Sg?  I've already said about the 2 factors: national unity with discipline and borders control.  Analogy:  you have mosquitoes in your house.  What do you infer?  1.  Your house is breeding mosquitoes in places where you are not aware of.  2.  Your windows are always wide open so that these insects fly inside.  If you want your house mosquito-free, you'll know what to do.

I would say when there are no shutdowns or lockdowns then it can be considered under control. Below are 2 articles which showed that certain cities in China still needed some form of shutdowns to bring down COVID cases. 
 

The point is China needed shutdowns to bring down the number of new COVID cases. This is generally known and accepted way to see almost immediate result in bringing COVID cases down. The consequence is bad economy. As Guest Wtf has pointed out, it will be disruptive to have shutdowns and resumption in repeat for a long period of time. Thus, no one can claim a particular country has the pandemic under control because there are variants and there will be multiple start and stops of economic and social activities periodically. 
 

On 9/21/2021 at 5:01 AM, Guest Sdollar said:

Covid-19 flare-up takes sheen off China's Golden Week holidays

Elizabeth Law

China Correspondent

BEIJING - Before leaving for a beach holiday in tropical Hainan province, social media executive Mirage Qi had a to-do list. At the top was a Covid-19 nucleic acid test.

"Even though we called ahead to check with our hotel, which said it was not necessary since we were coming from Beijing, which does not have any Covid-19 cases, it's better to play safe," she told The Straits Times.

 

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/covid-19-flare-up-takes-sheen-out-of-chinas-golden-week-holidays

 

On 9/21/2021 at 12:01 AM, 7heaven said:

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China's Xiamen city tells residents to stay home as COVID-19 infection spreads
 

BEIJING: A city in south-east China hit by COVID-19 told residents on Saturday (Sep 18) to stay home and closed various venues, as infections spread in the country's latest hotspot during a key holiday travel season.

 

The government of Xiamen, in a series of notices, told residents not to leave home unnecessarily, closed parks, scenic spots and sports venues, and halted mass activities including tours, fairs and performances.

 

The measures - short of a full lockdown - came on the first of the four-day Mid-Autumn Festival holidays, a peak travel season across China.

 

Xiamen, a scenic city of 5 million, is one of four cities in the Fujian province - China's latest coronavirus hotspot - that have reported cases in recent days.

 

Visitors to Xiamen's residential compounds are not allowed without approval, non-essential vehicle traffic in and out of residential areas is forbidden, and dining in at restaurants, cafes and other venues is prohibited.

 

Also a transport hub for southeast China, Xiamen has reported 92 locally transmitted infections in the past week. That is about half the number of nearby Putian, where the first infection in this outbreak was reported on Sep 10.

 

The first patient in the Xiamen cluster was a close contact of a case in Putian, Xiamen authorities said on Monday.

 

Both cities kicked off city-wide testing for the coronavirus on Tuesday.

Since Sep 10, Fujian province has reported 292 community infections.

 

The outbreak comes ahead of the week-long National Day holiday starting on Oct 1, a far busier tourist season than the Mid-Autumn festival.

 

The last domestic outbreak in late July to August spread to tens of Chinese cities, hammering China's tourism, hospitality and transportation sectors.

 

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/asia/china-covid-19-xiamen-fujian-residents-stay-home-2187076

 

[Guest Wtf]

On 9/21/2021 at 1:00 PM, Nightingale said:

 

I've already answered the question.  Just blame your reading skills.  Keep pointing?  That's because you guys keep denying.  How can it be anti-foreign when I've already raised examples of locals flouting restriction rules?  Sg limited options?  That's what the govt wants you to believe.  haha.

 

 

Bad economy?  Says who?  Do you have friends in China telling you that their economy is collapsing?  Tell us which cities?  On the contrary, things are picking up fast. 

https://www.wfla.com/community/health/coronavirus/water-park-hosts-giant-concert-in-wuhan-site-of-covid-19-outbreak

 

Here's another analogy again.  Student A is well endowed in resources but lazy in studies.  He's playful and nowadays, games is not just outdoors but addiction to computer games.  Student B is not so rich but knows he needs to study hard to do well.  We all know that all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy and we need to strike a balance between studies & leisure.  But when the mid-year exam results show that Student B has scored 75 out of 100 and Student A has been getting 40 and slipping down to 30, what action do you think is necessary?

again: there is zero point comparing the options available to China and to Singapore. 
 

population : 1.4bn vs. 5.7m

land mass : 9.5m kmsq vs. 728 kmsq

GDP  : US$14.7 trillion vs. US$340 billion

natural resources : China has extensive deposits of coal, oil and natural gas. Besides these fossil fuels, China is a top producer of aluminum, magnesium, antimony, salt, talc, barite, cement, coal, fluorspar, gold, graphite, iron, steel, lead, mercury, molybdenum, phosphate rock, rare earths, tin, tungsten, bismuth and zinc vs. well, not much of anything

and so on. Are you seriously telling me that Singapore does not have limited options compared to China? And you want to talk to me about reading skills… srsly? 😂 

[Guest Wtf]

On 9/21/2021 at 1:18 PM, Nightingale said:

 

Read again what I wrote about mosquitoes.

it wasn’t particularly relevant or interesting the first time.
 

But if you really want to use that analogy, then you missed the bit where you are so happy and blinkered that you managed to close the windows to keep the mosquitoes out, that you do notice the rest of your house falling apart around you. You eventually die from hunger because no food can get to you, or from being hit on the head with a roof tile because nothing is being repaired, But at least you kept the mosquitoes out! 

[Guest Guest]

 

On 9/21/2021 at 12:42 PM, Guest Wtf said:

Again, you haven’t answered the question. You have just posted a load of generalizations and stereotypes, including some pretty sad anti-foreigner rhetoric.

 

You know what's really funny?

 

Answer: Multimillionaire politicians who might even be worth billion dollars, coming up with same solutions as those from poorer third world countries' politicians, and still go around asking the normal citizens what they should do, and further insisting on getting - or insisting their cronies to get -  the normal citizens to answer the question.

 

What can be more hilarious than that? Seriously, I hope COVID-19 will last till 2024 so that whatever is happening now will remain fresh on everybody's mind during the next General Election.

 

 

[7heaven]

On 9/21/2021 at 1:00 PM, Nightingale said:

Bad economy?  Says who?  Do you have friends in China telling you that their economy is collapsing?  Tell us which cities?  On the contrary, things are picking up fast. 

https://www.wfla.com/community/health/coronavirus/water-park-hosts-giant-concert-in-wuhan-site-of-covid-19-outbreak

 

Here's another analogy again.  Student A is well endowed in resources but lazy in studies.  He's playful and nowadays, games is not just outdoors but addiction to computer games.  Student B is not so rich but knows he needs to study hard to do well.  We all know that all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy and we need to strike a balance between studies & leisure.  But when the mid-year exam results show that Student B has scored 75 out of 100 and Student A has been getting 40 and slipping down to 30, what action do you think is necessary?

Things have picked up fast for most countries in the world in 2021 because the lows of 2020 were extremely low. So China is not the only country whose economy has picked up fast.

 

Whenever there are lockdowns or shutdowns, the economy of the specific regions where the lockdowns or shutdowns happen will definitely be affected. So recently there were shutdowns in Xiamen and Putian in China, therefore the economies there will be down. 

[Guest Sdollars]

On 9/21/2021 at 12:19 PM, Nightingale said:

 

In that case, your referral to news suppression equally applies to many other countries, especially those that mouth freedom of speech and democracy.  I am speaking only facts and if you think they are not, it's up to you.

If I believe wumaos like you, then we don't have Wuhan virus.

Wow, you are speaking only facts??

There's nothing you wouldn't shamelessly defend your China.

 

You know how to use statistical arguments of mountains vs hills and yet you conveniently apply

"news suppression equally applies to many other countries, especially those that mouth freedom of speech and democracy. "

And you are saying it in here in this forum in SG.

 

Try this kind of freedom in China, you 奴才.

Oh, I guess 奴才太监 like you without backbone is worse than sissies and not welcomed there.

奴性难改的太监

 

 

[Guest Sdollars]

On 9/21/2021 at 12:42 AM, jlone said:

Oh such a big city with  292 infections, but SG a tiny dot has already crossed by thousand over infections daily n will be going further up.

God saves SG !

冤有头债有主

we can't really blame those who are struggling to put out the fire.

 

We should blame those who started the fire and still tried to hide it till flared out of control.

They are not even apologetic and send out wumaos to push the blame to others.

Not even the slightest apologetic, only those 良心被狗吃了 CCP and wumaos 丧尽天良， 死不悔改

[Guest Guest]

On 9/21/2021 at 10:02 AM, leo yok loo said:

Without CECA, we die. With CECA, we also die (of delta variant). Haha

We die left n right.

Without CB/HA, we die. With CB/HA, we also did (according to wtf and 7heaven. 😱

 

Seems got 2 debating sides here … 😅

[Kimochi]

On 9/21/2021 at 12:19 PM, Nightingale said:

 

How do you define "under control"?  When you compare cases like mountains in many countries with slopes in China, shouldn't we be talking of "control" in relative terms.  Do you expect 100% nil to call it "under control"?  This is the news today.

https://www.zaobao.com.sg/news/china/story20210921-1195626

 

中国大陆31个省市区前天新增本土病例28起，均为福建报告。

 

You see that out of the country's 1.4 billion population, they have only 28 cases.  Isn't that considered "under control" compared to the number of cases in tiny Sg?  I've already said about the 2 factors: national unity with discipline and borders control.  Analogy:  you have mosquitoes in your house.  What do you infer?  1.  Your house is breeding mosquitoes in places where you are not aware of.  2.  Your windows are always wide open so that these insects fly inside.  If you want your house mosquito-free, you'll know what to do.

 

 

In that case, your referral to news suppression equally applies to many other countries, especially those that mouth freedom of speech and democracy.  I am speaking only facts and if you think they are not, it's up to you.

You know there's a term called "under reporting " right? 

[Guest Guest]

https://www.zaobao.com.sg/news/singapore/story20210921-1195789

 

 

For those who don't understand Chinese, the article was talking about a Malaysian Frontline worker in Singapore who was diagnosed with covid last week Wednesday. He was supposed to be sent to the hospital in 2 to 3 days time, but even after 6 days, he was still stuck in his rented Eunos flat together with his girlfriend, because there was a large number of infected cases, resulting in a shortage of manpower for anyone to send him to the hospital. And at the end of 6 days, his girlfriend was diagnosed to be covid positive as well. 

 

 

 

 

 

So much for having "1000" ICU beds.... The expected daily 3000 cases had not even happened yet, and such things are already happening to show that Singapore's not even ready for 1000 daily cases. It seems like MOH had unleashed a biological warfare on its own citizens by opening up the economy, while giving distracting information about how "ready" they are with "1000 ICU beds", when the fact is that they are NOT. 

 

Like what had been said, perhaps those ICU beds and resources are reserved for the special and privileged to ensure that they won't die. 

[Guest Guest]

On 9/21/2021 at 5:16 PM, Guest Guest said:

Without CB/HA, we die. With CB/HA, we also did (according to wtf and 7heaven. 😱

 

Seems got 2 debating sides here … 😅

 

How many died during CB/HA, how many died during non-CB/HA? You don't need statistics to tell you what common sense will say. 

[Kimochi]

On 9/21/2021 at 9:46 PM, Nightingale said:

 

Sure, that applies for any country, right?

Then you should not even use the amount you gave as an argument in the first place already. 

[7heaven]

On 9/20/2021 at 11:12 PM, Nightingale said:

With the pandemic under control, Chinese cities have continued their businesses for more than a year already. 

^This aged like fine wine. 
 

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Chinese city of Harbin orders spas, mahjong salons to shut after COVID-19 case confirmed

A medical worker takes a swab sample from a man as people queue to get tests for COVID-19 at an office building in Harbin, in northeastern China's Heilongjiang province on Jan 14, 2021. (Photo: AFP/STR)

21 Sep 2021 03:05PM (Updated: 21 Sep 2021 03:25PM)
 

Spas, cinemas and mahjong salons in the Chinese city of Harbin were ordered to close on Tuesday (Sep 21) to prevent COVID-19 spreading in poorly ventilated spaces, state television reported.

 

The temporary shutdowns were part of a range of restrictions imposed on the northeastern city after one case of community transmission, the report said, citing the Harbin government.

 

Religious activities were also suspended, tourist attractions were ordered to operate at half capacity, and visits were banned at retirement homes.

 

The restrictions come as China celebrates the Mid-Autumn Festival on Tuesday, and ahead of the National Day golden week holiday starting on Oct 1, a time of increased travel and social interraction.

 

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/asia/china-harbin-covid-19-case-spas-cinemas-mahjong-salons-close-2191711

Edited September 21, 2021 by 7heaven
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[mate69]

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[Guest guest]

On 9/21/2021 at 9:51 PM, Nightingale said:

 

Of course down.  But then it depends how fast people can cooperate.  If it requires 1 week lockdown, then good.  If 2 weeks, not so good but better than 1 month, right?  If after a tough lockdown still no good, then something must be wrong with the system.  See how fast Sg recovered reasonably fast compared to many developed countries after the first 2 rounds?  Everyone got scared.  An uncle got accosted by authorities when he was eating alone in the void deck.  You could sense the tension in the air.  But now?  Sigh.  Anyway, it's not up to you or me to decide.  It's in the hands of you know who.

You have always been the shameless watchdog of "you know who". To hear you expressing grievance and dismay against "you know who" is a good feeling - like watching karma take effect on you ☺️

[Kimochi]

On 9/22/2021 at 1:45 AM, Nightingale said:

 

The number is only an estimate.  Without numbers, how would we know where we stand in the world?  You might as well as US, India, Brazil and others are not being truthful with their figures or that US is not leading the world in cases.  Or that India is only number 20 instead of number 2.  And for a large country like China to rank as number 109 and a small country like Sg as 115, doesn't this close proximity tell us something?  Instead of calling sour grapes, you can do your own daily checking by referring to websites like: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus

 

 

 

Again you are already contradicting yourself. With what @7heavenposted

 

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/asia/china-harbin-covid-19-case-spas-cinemas-mahjong-salons-close-2191711

 

and reported less than 100 cases? You call that an estimation? Trying to con who?? 

 

Also, again since you already posted that every country under reported it means again whatever statistics you post to stand your ground is again totally not valid. SG can also say we have around 50 new cases today only and 53 new cases yesterday (wow 3 cases less than yesterday . Great job !! Keep it up !!! ), then update the website address you provided. 

Edited September 21, 2021 by Kimochi

[Kimochi]

On 9/22/2021 at 2:29 AM, Nightingale said:

 

Then isn't 72 and 49 less than 100?  Since you are not happy with the numbers, I can only say estimation.  But Sg did not say 50 or 53.  They say exceeded 1000 already.  So what's your problem?

I should be the one asking you. With the country which has the most population in the world with only 72 and 49 daily cases. And you using it as a gauge to try to convince people. What's your problem? 

Edited September 21, 2021 by Kimochi

[7heaven]

On 9/22/2021 at 1:45 AM, Nightingale said:

So why are you masking the numbers given?  Singalion has accused you of hiding certain info when you rebut him and you're repeating your tactic here.

"China on Tuesday reported 72 new confirmed coronavirus cases for Sep 20, down from 49 a day earlier, with the latest cluster of infection in the southeastern province of Fujian"

Actually there's a typo error.  It should be "up", not down.

https://www.asianewsday.com/chinese-city-harbin-orders-spas-mahjong-salons-to-shut-after-covid-19-case-confirmed

You claimed that Chinese cities have continued businesses for more than a year. This is not true and therefore, I cited a very recent shutdown of businesses in Harbin in China right during the mid-autumn and upcoming Golden Week in Oct where businesses typically surge but it is not to be with the shutdown. 
 

Providing the number of infection cases is immaterial because the article is to address your specific point about Chinese cities have continued businesses and NOT about cases. In addition, I had provided the link to the article I cited. 
 

On 9/20/2021 at 11:12 PM, Nightingale said:

With the pandemic under control, Chinese cities have continued their businesses for more than a year already. 

 

On 9/22/2021 at 12:30 AM, 7heaven said:

Chinese city of Harbin orders spas, mahjong salons to shut after COVID-19 case confirmed

A medical worker takes a swab sample from a man as people queue to get tests for COVID-19 at an office building in Harbin, in northeastern China's Heilongjiang province on Jan 14, 2021. (Photo: AFP/STR)

21 Sep 2021 03:05PM (Updated: 21 Sep 2021 03:25PM)
 

Spas, cinemas and mahjong salons in the Chinese city of Harbin were ordered to close on Tuesday (Sep 21) to prevent COVID-19 spreading in poorly ventilated spaces, state television reported.

 

The temporary shutdowns were part of a range of restrictions imposed on the northeastern city after one case of community transmission, the report said, citing the Harbin government.

 

Religious activities were also suspended, tourist attractions were ordered to operate at half capacity, and visits were banned at retirement homes.

 

The restrictions come as China celebrates the Mid-Autumn Festival on Tuesday, and ahead of the National Day golden week holiday starting on Oct 1, a time of increased travel and social interraction.

 

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/asia/china-harbin-covid-19-case-spas-cinemas-mahjong-salons-close-2191711

 

[7heaven]

On 9/22/2021 at 1:45 AM, Nightingale said:

Still, isn't the number 72 much lower compared to our over 900 to a thousand?  Sg is a small country and should be much more manageable than large countries with a huge populations.  Here's the latest from Channel News Asia:

"Singapore reported 910 new local COVID-19 infections as of noon on Monday (Sep 20)

Singapore reported 1,173 new local COVID-19 infections as of noon on Tuesday (Sep 21)"

 

Furthermore, what's new?  Australia has always been boasting about its effectiveness in pandemic control, yet Sydney had been experiencing a wave and imposed a strict lockdown and even extended it:

Sydney  Lockdown  Extended  and  Curfew  Imposed  on  2m People

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-58277503

“infections have more than doubled in the past week with 642 new cases recorded on Friday, and 681 on Thursday. . . .

police said there had been instances of rule-breaking late at night.”

 

After  3-Month  Covid  Lockdown,  Sydney  Lifts  Curbs  As  New Cases  Stabilise

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/coronavirus-after-3-month-covid-lockdown-sydney-lifts-curbs-as-new-cases-stabilise-2541222

 

Even Sg has not experienced a 3-month lockdown or curfew.  It is only recently things are improving.  So there you are.

Someone suggested the concept about ‘under reporting’ of Covid cases and you agreed countries could have done so. Therefore, whatever numbers certain country or countries try to report that seemingly defy logic knowing the background of their records of tight media control and suppression of bad news, one should view their reporting of Covid cases with skepticism. 
 

The point about repeated shutdown and resumption of social and economy activities have already been recognised as an effective quick fix to immediately bring down Covid cases. This has shown to be effective in Australia, New Zealand, Singapore and not just China. To suggest China has the pandemic under control is incorrect and illogical characterisation because they still needed periodic shutdowns (eg recently in Xiamen, Putian and now Harbin) just like Sydney and other cities. 
 

The entire point of this post and other of my posts is to establish that China has not have the pandemic under control nor their businesses are swimmingly unaffected. They are still in the same situation as most countries in the world who bother to report accurately. Businesses have picked up for sure in 2021 compared with 2020 because 2020 was unprecedentedly bad.

[Guest Sdollar]

On 9/22/2021 at 3:28 AM, 7heaven said:

Someone suggested the concept about ‘under reporting’ of Covid cases and you agreed countries could have done so. Therefore, whatever numbers certain country or countries try to report that seemingly defy logic knowing the background of their records of tight media control and suppression of bad news, one should view their reporting of Covid cases with skepticism. 
 

The point about repeated shutdown and resumption of social and economy activities have already been recognised as an effective quick fix to immediately bring down Covid cases. This has shown to be effective in Australia, New Zealand, Singapore and not just China. To suggest China has the pandemic under control is incorrect and illogical characterisation because they still needed periodic shutdowns (eg recently in Xiamen, Putian and now Harbin) just like Sydney and other cities. 
 

The entire point of this post and other of my posts is to establish that China has not have the pandemic under control nor their businesses are swimmingly unaffected. They are still in the same situation as most countries in the world who bother to report accurately. Businesses have picked up for sure in 2021 compared with 2020 because 2020 was unprecedentedly bad.

The big difference is that they dare to under-report and no citizens would dare to speak the truth because they will be arrested.

 

Try under-reporting here in Sg, the EDMW and the wumaos here will be digging out the truth. You or me can also speak the truth here.

[Guest Sdollar]

On 9/22/2021 at 2:29 AM, Nightingale said:

 

Then isn't 72 and 49 less than 100?  Since you are not happy with the numbers, I can only say estimation.  But Sg did not say 50 or 53.  They say exceeded 1000 already.  So what's your problem?

We are not happy but you are dancing in celebration of 1000 already.

Yeah right, you keep digging it in.

[leo yok loo]

Last year we have 1000s cases in dorm, few cases in community.

The year 风水轮流转。

Edited September 22, 2021 by leo yok loo

[Guest Guest]

 

 

 

On 9/22/2021 at 11:49 AM, leo yok loo said:

Last year we have 1000s cases in dorm, few cases in community.

The year 风水轮流转。

 

Last year 1000 cases in dorm and every wear-white leader start panicking liek crazy and even put foreign workers onto cruise ships; This year 1000 cases in community and every wear-white leader tell Singaporeans to just stay at home and don't go hospital unless you are dying. Goes to prove that foreign workers more important than Singaporeans. 

 

 

[Guest Guest]

Just curious, got people in the 61% now not happy or feel angry with the wear-white party because of current situation? 

[Guest Guest]

On 9/22/2021 at 1:03 PM, Guest Guest said:

Just curious, got people in the 61% now not happy or feel angry with the wear-white party because of current situation? 

I'm not angry 😉

[FattChoy]

On 9/22/2021 at 1:33 PM, Nightingale said:

 

 

Auntie OCD, that's all you can do, just malign and malign.  If I speak the negative truth about foreigners, you say I am anti-foreign.  If I speak the negative truth about locals, you say I am a traitor.  So you want to speak only the positive?  Isn't that same as 报喜不报忧 which you hate?  Why slap yourself in the face?

And even if I don't mention the cases, there are always people who mention the over 1000 cases.  So are they dancing and celebrating too?

 

 

Asking me?  If you don't take numbers as a gauge, then what do you take?  Let me share some inside information about Sg testing.  You would remember there was a hullabaloo when MOH rejected testing and threatened workers with termination of contracts last year.  There was this guy who worked as a tester on workers staying in dormitories.  He said there was a daily quota imposed.  In other words, even if there were 3000 workers ready to be tested, the quota was set around 1000.  Why?  Because the more workers you test, the higher the infection results.  So the maximum infected cases reported was a maximum of slightly below or above 1000 at the height of the dorm cases.  But what if we allowed 3000 to be tested?  Wouldn’t the result be 2500 or more since the workers were mingling, cooking and eating at close range of one another?  So imposing quotas is a way to underreport, so that it seems that the reports are “honest” and "acceptable".  So tell me which country does not want to underreport?  And if you don’t accept those numbers reported, how many more would you want to increase?  The same goes with gerrymandering, which is another tactic to make it seem as if elections are “fair and square” and that democracy is being “carried out”.  Do check the dictionary if you want to know how the word “gerrymander” originated but this is out of our topic.  I just want to show you how statistics can be played around.

 

And here’s a message that has been circulating about our current situation:  “One ex-colleague pointed out that this means the actual number of infection is higher than the officially published daily numbers, because those who are +ve from the ART test & isolate during the 3 days have no obligation to report that they are positive during those few days.  S’poreans will be unlikely to stay at home during those 3 days especially if they feel well, have no symptoms.  They could be out spreading the virus. And even if they self-isolate, their family members are free to come & go.”

So do you still naively think that underreporting does not apply to us as well?

 

 

But aren’t all the lamentations in this thread about number of cases?  Why are you shifting the goalpost and yet your habit is to accuse others of shifting goalposts?  Look at the worries posted here that focus on NUMBERS.  Why can't you see the fact that number of cases and the well-being of businesses are related?  It's no use trying to segregate the 2 and concentrate on 1 only.

 

 

Why twist the meaning of words?  "Putting something under control" does not mean zero cases or total permanent elimination.  

Dictionary:  “Under control” (of a danger or emergency) such that people are able to deal with it successfully.

 

Periodic outbursts of infections are normal expectations.  You have to act according to the extent of new cases.  If you deny what has been said about China, then what do the words “Under Control”, “Recovery”  and "Pick Up" below tell us?

 

With Covid-19 Under Control, China's Economy Surges Ahead

15 Jul 2021

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/18/business/china-economy-covid.html

 

What We Can Learn from China about a Covdi-19 Recovery

https://www.kearney.com/covid-19/article/?/a/what-we-can-learn-from-china-about-a-covid-19-recovery-it-s-better-than-you-think

 

Singapore   Firms  Attracted  by  China's  Vast  Market,  Fast  Recovery  from  Covid-19 Pandemic

9 Jul 2021

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/singapore-firms-attracted-by-chinas-vast-market-fast-recovery-from-covid-19-pandemic

“In 2020, China’s economy grew 2.3%, from a year ago, making it the only major economy to post an expansion amid the Covid-19 pandemic. “

 

https://www.china-briefing.com/news/restructuring-your-china-company-to-survive-stabilize-and-succeed

“While retail sales grew by 12.4% year-on-year in May, weaker than expected, it still shows that China’s consumer and business confidences is picking up as a result of pent-up demand and widespread vaccination”

 

Just like in Sg and elsewhere, small businesses in China suffered the most.  But if you want 100% recovery of businesses and 0 infection rate, please go to Lala-land to look for it.

 

Northern China's Harbin in semi-shutdown after first Covid-19 cases since Feb

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/northern-chinese-city-in-semi-shutdown-after-first-covid-19-cases-since-february

Note the words "for the 1st cases since Feb".  This means from Feb to Sep – 7 months, they had zero case.  It's also a well-known fact that the Delta variant wreaks havoc even on countries that have fair records on pandemic controls.  So it's no use of your picking out isolated cases and then paint as negative a picture as possible.  As someone who has not been to China or friends residing there to share information, you have no choice but to rely on recycled Western media news and then cherrypick bad scenarios.  And of course I'll expect you cherrypick again and repeat your narrative with nothing convincing, just like what you have done to Singalion's posts.

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/community/3-more-covid-19-deaths-bring-total-to-65-new-cases-in-community-cross-1000-mark

“ . . . cases in community cross 1,000 mark for the 3rd time in 4 days”

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/marsiling-lane-hawker-centre-and-wet-market-closed-due-to-covid-19-cluster-there

                         

So there you are, you don't want lockdowns but the above cases prove that more businesses will be affected.  The consequences are predictable.  See the link below for the graphs of Locally Transmitted Cases, Cases in ICU and Total Cases in Hospital:

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/covid-19-new-cases-sep-21-3-deaths-national-tally-65-2191916

 

I don’t see why I should get bogged down by China issues when this thread is about SG Covid.  Since many guys are lamenting about the increasing rates, I just suggested a 1-week lockdown to see how things go.  (But the authorities always say the minimum is 2 weeks).  I casually remarked that China’s example is good as Sg has deviated from this method.  But you guys keep on finding fault, claiming that figures cannot be trusted, that Chinese businesses are not doing well.  So I had to show you otherwise.  Then you pick on Harbin, an isolated case and try to prove me wrong and Kimochi continues to write incoherently without solid backing about numbers.  If there’s something to be learnt from an “unpopular” country – be it Russia or Iran, then why not?  In fact, Deng himself personally came down to learn from us during Lee Kuan Yew’s time and in fact, both countries (and Aussie NZ) have shared the common resort of lockdowns in contrast to many other countries.  Anyway I won’t be responding any more to your endless repetitive detractions on China things because I've already made my point.  If you want to continue "picking bones from eggs", be my guest.

U hv stage 4 bw forum addiction 

[leo yok loo]

On 9/22/2021 at 1:03 PM, Guest Guest said:

Just curious, got people in the 61% now not happy or feel angry with the wear-white party because of current situation? 

No lah.. they are happy. They kena brainwash already. They die also smiling.

Edited September 22, 2021 by leo yok loo

[lonelyglobe]

On 9/22/2021 at 1:03 PM, Guest Guest said:

Just curious, got people in the 61% now not happy or feel angry with the wear-white party because of current situation? 

Seriously I think no,  u can still hear a lot of silly aunties saying govt is in good control and taking care of them, then they also want to compare with US and India,  so indeed we are very good,  well done. 

[lonelyglobe]

On 9/22/2021 at 12:55 PM, Guest Guest said:

 

 

 

 

Last year 1000 cases in dorm and every wear-white leader start panicking liek crazy and even put foreign workers onto cruise ships; This year 1000 cases in community and every wear-white leader tell Singaporeans to just stay at home and don't go hospital unless you are dying. Goes to prove that foreign workers more important than Singaporeans. 

 

 

Situation is very different,  last year no vaccine so worry workers jammed up hospital. Now got vaccine, though it does little to prevent infection but at least sporean won't jammed up hospital. They say can recover at home but forget not all Sporean got houses as big as Istana.

 

But I would say this dormitory drama is a time-bomb waiting to be exploded anytime as long as their antibodies are low.  

[Guest Sdollar]

On 9/22/2021 at 1:36 PM, FattChoy said:

U hv stage 4 bw forum addiction 

No, he has stage 死wumao, die die also must defend his China masters.

[Guest Sdollar]

On 9/22/2021 at 1:33 PM, Nightingale said:

 

 

Auntie OCD, that's all you can do, just malign and malign.  If I speak the negative truth about foreigners, you say I am anti-foreign.  If I speak the negative truth about locals, you say I am a traitor.  So you want to speak only the positive?  Isn't that same as 报喜不报忧 which you hate?  Why slap yourself in the face?

And even if I don't mention the cases, there are always people who mention the over 1000 cases.  So are they dancing and celebrating too?

 

 

I'm not Auntie OCD but you are so obviously wumao that I have join in to scold you like 过街老鼠，人人喊打。

 Even before Wuhan virus you're already a well known wumao. Now you just got worse like the virus.

 

Since when were you ever being balanced? You are so shameless like CCP, 黑的都可以说成白 but your records showed.

 

Except CCP don't allow people to speak the truth, but here we can speak the truth against wumao like you.

[7heaven]

On 9/22/2021 at 1:33 PM, Nightingale said:

But aren’t all the lamentations in this thread about number of cases?  Why are you shifting the goalpost and yet your habit is to accuse others of shifting goalposts?  Look at the worries posted here that focus on NUMBERS.  Why can't you see the fact that number of cases and the well-being of businesses are related?  It's no use trying to segregate the 2 and concentrate on 1 only.

I am not shifting my goalpost. The Harbin shutdown article is to show China business is still affected. Besides, I included the link to the article in my post so there is no hiding. 
 

On 9/22/2021 at 1:33 PM, Nightingale said:

 

Why twist the meaning of words?  "Putting something under control" does not mean zero cases or total permanent elimination.  

Dictionary:  “Under control” (of a danger or emergency) such that people are able to deal with it successfully.

 

Periodic outbursts of infections are normal expectations.  You have to act according to the extent of new cases.  If you deny what has been said about China, then what do the words “Under Control”, “Recovery”  and "Pick Up" below tell us?

 

With Covid-19 Under Control, China's Economy Surges Ahead

15 Jul 2021

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/18/business/china-economy-covid.html

 

What We Can Learn from China about a Covdi-19 Recovery

https://www.kearney.com/covid-19/article/?/a/what-we-can-learn-from-china-about-a-covid-19-recovery-it-s-better-than-you-think

 

Singapore   Firms  Attracted  by  China's  Vast  Market,  Fast  Recovery  from  Covid-19 Pandemic

9 Jul 2021

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/singapore-firms-attracted-by-chinas-vast-market-fast-recovery-from-covid-19-pandemic

“In 2020, China’s economy grew 2.3%, from a year ago, making it the only major economy to post an expansion amid the Covid-19 pandemic. “

 

https://www.china-briefing.com/news/restructuring-your-china-company-to-survive-stabilize-and-succeed

“While retail sales grew by 12.4% year-on-year in May, weaker than expected, it still shows that China’s consumer and business confidences is picking up as a result of pent-up demand and widespread vaccination”

All these articles were written in July 2021 and the recent lockdowns in Putian, Xiamen and Harbin happened just only in September 2021. Reporting of Economic numbers will always lack behind the current date because time is needed to compile the  statistics. Therefore, it remains to be seen how will the shutdowns in Putian, Xiamen and Harbin and the general consumer sentiment in the rest of China affect the economic numbers in most recent quarter. 
 

Economies of other countries have also picked up, one eg is Vietnam, so China is not the only country who sees economic recovery. 

 

Vietnam’s economy picks up, but virus could weigh on outlook

Bloomberg News July 13, 2021

This article was written by Nguyen Dieu Tu Uyen. It appeared first on the Bloomberg Terminal.

https://www.bloomberg.com/professional/blog/vietnams-economy-picks-up-but-virus-could-weigh-on-outlook/

On 9/22/2021 at 1:33 PM, Nightingale said:

Northern China's Harbin in semi-shutdown after first Covid-19 cases since Feb

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/northern-chinese-city-in-semi-shutdown-after-first-covid-19-cases-since-february

Note the words "for the 1st cases since Feb".  This means from Feb to Sep – 7 months, they had zero case.  It's also a well-known fact that the Delta variant wreaks havoc even on countries that have fair records on pandemic controls.  So it's no use of your picking out isolated cases and then paint as negative a picture as possible.  As someone who has not been to China or friends residing there to share information, you have no choice but to rely on recycled Western media news and then cherrypick bad scenarios.  And of course I'll expect you cherrypick again and repeat your narrative with nothing convincing, just like what you have done to Singalion's posts.

It is inconsequential and irrelevant whether I have friends in China or not because they do not have access to the decision making authority on shutdowns and reporting. Ironically you also cherry-pick good scenarios about China and dismiss bad coverage by Western media news about China. 
 

On 9/22/2021 at 1:33 PM, Nightingale said:

I don’t see why I should get bogged down by China issues when this thread is about SG Covid.  Since many guys are lamenting about the increasing rates, I just suggested a 1-week lockdown to see how things go.  (But the authorities always say the minimum is 2 weeks).  I casually remarked that China’s example is good as Sg has deviated from this method.  But you guys keep on finding fault, claiming that figures cannot be trusted, that Chinese businesses are not doing well.  So I had to show you otherwise.  Then you pick on Harbin, an isolated case and try to prove me wrong and Kimochi continues to write incoherently without solid backing about numbers.  If there’s something to be learnt from an “unpopular” country – be it Russia or Iran, then why not?  In fact, Deng himself personally came down to learn from us during Lee Kuan Yew’s time and in fact, both countries (and Aussie NZ) have shared the common resort of lockdowns in contrast to many other countries.  Anyway I won’t be responding any more to your endless repetitive detractions on China things because I've already made my point.  If you want to continue "picking bones from eggs", be my guest.

 

You are the one who always insert unsolicited propagandist praises for China in different threads; in this thread you praised China about controlling the pandemic and businesses there have picked up. We have to provide other sources to provide a different view of what is going on to avoid any mischaracterisation and for readers to judge for themselves what you say about China is accurate. 

 

Harbin is not an isolated case. We have cited Putian and Xiamen in Fujian China which were shutdown recently due to rise in Covid cases. Let’s not forget that some of these cities on their own are easily bigger than whole of Singapore. 

[Guest Guest]

 

 

On 9/22/2021 at 3:46 PM, lonelyglobe said:

Situation is very different,  last year no vaccine so worry workers jammed up hospital. Now got vaccine, though it does little to prevent infection but at least sporean won't jammed up hospital. They say can recover at home but forget not all Sporean got houses as big as Istana.

 

But I would say this dormitory drama is a time-bomb waiting to be exploded anytime as long as their antibodies are low.  

 

Errrrrrrrrrr... Now more people in Singapore has died from the delta variant than that at the covid beginning, and the number of deaths had even surpassed that of the SARS already, you know? So yes, the situation is very different, vaccine or no vaccine, the situation is worse now. 

[lonelyglobe]

On 9/22/2021 at 5:45 PM, Guest Guest said:

 

 

 

Errrrrrrrrrr... Now more people in Singapore has died from the delta variant than that at the covid beginning, and the number of deaths had even surpassed that of the SARS already, you know? So yes, the situation is very different, vaccine or no vaccine, the situation is worse now. 

"Singapore must be prepared for more Covid-19 infections, deaths with reopening: Ong Ye Kung"

They already give warning in advance, in layman terms that means with more infection and more death, the economy can be open up faster which is what the 60% wanted. This Aljunied loser have upgrade himself to covid loser and now we are paying the price for it. I would love to hear from people from sembawang. 

[lonelyglobe]

S'pore reports 3 deaths & 1,457 new Covid-19 cases on Sep. 22, 2021

 

https://mothership.sg/2021/09/covid-19-update-sep-22-2021/

Edited September 22, 2021 by lonelyglobe

[mate69]

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/covid-19-singapore-new-cases-sep-22-moh-2194266