Covid Situation in SG discussion (compiled)

[FattChoy]

On 9/10/2021 at 12:00 PM, Sizzler said:

Is that a prawn boat?

[singalion]

1000?
 

As Singapore is now 18 days - about 2½ weeks - into the current wave, it is likely to see cases increase exponentially, potentially hitting a peak of around 3,000 before it begins to stabilise. But how this actually unfolds will depend on what Singaporeans do collectively - including whether it tests extensively, Mr Ong said.

 

The higher numbers mean Singapore must be cautious, said Mr Wong, who co-chairs the task force with Mr Gan and Mr Ong.

 

Probably we all decide voluntarily to go into self isolation. haha

[Guest Dr Doom]

And another RIP.

 

https://mothership.sg/2021/09/covid-19-moh-update-sep-10/

[Guest Guest]

573 cases today.

 

The same jinx who let the Indian Variant through by letting the flights in from India when he was the Minister of Transport , is now telling us to live with the same Indian virus as the Minister of Health. 

 

Well done, 61%. Well done, Sembawang GRC. 

 

COME, THE ENTIRE SINGAPURA CLAP FOR YOU! 

[Derren]

Pfizer's efficacy rate against infection by the Delta variant is about 40%. The projected numbers of cases reflect this. 

 

The virus will eventually pass through the entire population. The only thing we can do is slow the spread down over time so that our medical resources don't get overwhelmed at any one time.

 

Many of us will have a brush with Covid. Besides vaccination and the usual social distancing measures, we need to keep our immune system in good shape. So take good care of ourselves! Eat healthy, sleep well and get regular exercise and sunlight (vit D). 

 

 

On 9/10/2021 at 6:27 PM, singalion said:

1000?
 

As Singapore is now 18 days - about 2½ weeks - into the current wave, it is likely to see cases increase exponentially, potentially hitting a peak of around 3,000 before it begins to stabilise. But how this actually unfolds will depend on what Singaporeans do collectively - including whether it tests extensively, Mr Ong said.

 

The higher numbers mean Singapore must be cautious, said Mr Wong, who co-chairs the task force with Mr Gan and Mr Ong.

 

Probably we all decide voluntarily to go into self isolation. haha

 

Edited September 11, 2021 by Derren

[lonelyglobe]

On 9/11/2021 at 9:58 AM, Derren said:

Pfizer's efficacy rate against infection by the Delta variant is about 40%. The projected numbers of cases reflect this. 

 

The virus will eventually pass through the entire population. The only thing we can do is slow the spread down over time so that our medical resources don't get overwhelmed at any one time.

 

Many of us will have a brush with Covid. Besides vaccination and the usual social distancing measures, we need to keep our immune system in good shape. So take good care of ourselves! Eat healthy, sleep well and get regular exercise and sunlight (vit D). 

 

 

 

Precisely,  all the vaccine is focus on tackling the original Wuhan virus, with Indian virus,  it drop and more than 6 month,  it drop further, meaning those who vaccinated in Jan and Feb already got no protection until they take the booster jab. 

 

This is just another mistake made,  thinking that we can open up with 80% vaccination rate. If bus driver with 95% vaccination rate and can kena like no body business, then the actual effective rate is even questionable. The only thing is that it prevent overcrowding the hospital and ICU which is the main focus and no longer interested in reducing the number of cases.  

 

"Got vaccine u don't take that is your problem. Vaccinated still kena that is because u never take precaution."  

[Guest Guest]

Last time, the gahmen said for vaccinated fellow Singaporeans, the fatality / symptoms / impact of the illness will not be so "great" ... machiam like @ stay home can recover liao .... then why do they still need to worry about overcrowding or hospital or ICU space? 

[lonelyglobe]

On 9/11/2021 at 1:51 PM, Guest Guest said:

Last time, the gahmen said for vaccinated fellow Singaporeans, the fatality / symptoms / impact of the illness will not be so "great" ... machiam like @ stay home can recover liao .... then why do they still need to worry about overcrowding or hospital or ICU space? 

They are not worry about 80% who are vaccinated,  they got covid ma chiam like common flu but they worry about the 20% who are not vaccinated,  these 20% can jammed up our medical resources and cannot find any valid excuse. 

[Guest Guest]

No wonder I see some coffeeshops got 3-4 people talking / dining at one table ... they must belong to the 80% ... hahaha ... no need to be scared anymore ....

[Guest Guest]

You can see that the MTF never learn from its past mistakes. 

 

With the exception of the high vaccination rate, isn't whatever that is happening now exactly what happened at the beginning of 2020 when the virus first hit singapore? 

 

At the beginning when the virus was running rampant in China, Singapore allowed them to get into the country and thereby starts the virus spread in Singapore; and recently when the Indian virus was running rampant in India, Singapore still let them in. And hence, the country is having the new wave now.

 

At the beginning, people didn't think about asymptomatic carriers, so everyone was walking around passing the virus to everyone else. And even the wearing of mask got discouraged. And now, just because of the higher vaccination rates, nobody is worried of the asymptomatic carriers anymore. 

 

And last time, even with the spread in the foreign workers dorm happening, all that the Minister did was to sit back and watch the show helplessly, with the provision of food (and some money) as the sole source of comfort to the workers and her own conscience; And now, with the spread of the virus in the community, the Ministers are also just raising the white flag and singing to the tune of Disney Frozen's "Let it spread, Let it spread, Can't hold it back anymore" 

 

So Singapore is basically back to square one. And as in square one, the next thing that the country will see is the ICU wards  getting swamped slowly and surely. And the covid death rates jumping up higher than ever. 

 

At least in the previous wave, Singapore did its community control, and the high covid numbers were due to the poor control in the dormitory spread. And despite all Singaporeans' unhappiness, people did what the MTF imposed to prevent the spread in the community. But now, whatever is happening to the community is simply because the MTF has given up on the fight, while still happily taking up their multimillion salaries. The next thing they will do is to pat themselves on their own back and congratulate themselves on a job "well done" because they "revived" the economy at the expense of human health and human lives. 

 

If this has been a war, I wonder how just fast Singapore will collapse. Whoever voted them into parliament, you asked for this. Good luck, Singapore. 

[Guest Guest]

On 9/11/2021 at 2:23 PM, lonelyglobe said:

They are not worry about 80% who are vaccinated,  they got covid ma chiam like common flu but they worry about the 20% who are not vaccinated,  these 20% can jammed up our medical resources and cannot find any valid excuse. 

 

That's the problem. The vaccinated are not immune to the virus. It only suppresses the symptoms. Singapore is back to square one with thousands of asymptomatic people running around with the virus now, just like how the country was doing so at the beginning. 

 

But at least in square one, they were worried about the asymptomatic carriers. But now, they don't even care because they think 80% vaccination rate is a big deal. 

 

If this complacency goes on, the next wave will hit Singapore much harder than ever before. 

 

Good luck, Singapore. 

[LeanMature]

On 9/11/2021 at 2:23 PM, lonelyglobe said:

They are not worry about 80% who are vaccinated,  they got covid ma chiam like common flu but they worry about the 20% who are not vaccinated,  these 20% can jammed up our medical resources and cannot find any valid excuse. 

 

Of the 80% who are fully vaccinated, it also include those who had pre-existing health issues who will still get very sick if being infected.  

[Guest Guest]

On 9/11/2021 at 3:43 PM, LeanMature said:

 

Of the 80% who are fully vaccinated, it also include those who had pre-existing health issues who will still get very sick if being infected.  

 

Think 50 onwards or even earlier will start developing some form of health issue, and now so much stress, definitely not helping healthwise. All best take care.

[Guest guest]

Now they do not report daily covid cases in tv news?

[Guest Guest]

On 9/12/2021 at 12:28 AM, Guest guest said:

Now they do not report daily covid cases in tv news?

 

I guess they just released the news 30 minutes ago : 

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/chinatown-complex-closed-testing-for-visitors-and-staff-as-spore-reports-555-new

[Derren]

Latest figures from the news.

 

4.6% unvaccinated people become severely ill or died.

0.8% for fully vaccinated.

 

I don't think we are back at square one entirely. The main difference is of course vaccination of 80% of our population.

 

If the virus were to pass through the entire population of Singapore, 

number of severely ill or die = 4.6% x (20% x 5.6) + 0.8% x (80% x 5.6) = 0.051 + 0.036 = 87,000 

 

Had there been no vaccination,

number of severely ill or die = 4.6% x 5.6 = 257,000

 

That's a difference of 170,000 people. And that is assuming the medical system is not overwhelmed. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest Guest]

On 9/12/2021 at 9:54 AM, Derren said:

 

If the virus were to pass through the entire population of Singapore, 

number of severely ill or die = 4.6% x (20% x 5.6) + 0.8% x (80% x 5.6) = 0.051 + 0.036 = 87,000 

 

And how many ICU beds can open up in Singapore? It was just less than 2 months ago that someone said our ICU beds may be overwhelmed if we allow the cluster to grow uncontrolled. And two months later, it became a matter of "living with it". 

 

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/covid-19-hospital-beds-capacity-cluster-grows-uncontrollably-2075806

This Indian variant is twice as transmissable than the original Wuhan variant, https://asm.org/Articles/2021/July/How-Dangerous-is-the-Delta-Variant-B-1-617-2, thereby doubling your 87,000 number to become 174,000.

 

And that's not even taking into consideration the latest Mu variant from Colombia which is believed to be even deadlier, and the variant has been already been found in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Japan and South Korea. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest Guest]

Would like to ask: so a vaccinated “healthy” person even if got infected by whatever variants of COVID will not become severely ill, need ICU or die eventually. Is this right? 

[Guest Guest]

On 9/12/2021 at 10:40 AM, Guest Guest said:

Would like to ask: so a vaccinated “healthy” person even if got infected by whatever variants of COVID will not become severely ill, need ICU or die eventually. Is this right? 

 

Assuming you are referring to "young and healthy ", nothing is impossible, just rare. 

 

https://www.wfla.com/community/health/coronavirus/7-fully-vaccinated-covid-19-patients-die-in-what-doctors-say-is-extremely-rare-situation/

 

[Guest Guest]

OK - thx u! No wonder our gahmen says can now live with the virus as if they are our “bfs” …. 😱😅

[Guest Guest]

On 9/12/2021 at 11:01 AM, Guest Guest said:

OK - thx u! No wonder our gahmen says can now live with the virus as if they are our “bfs” …. 😱😅

 

Don't forget that they are telling people to "live" with the virus only for the sake of the economy, even if it is meant to be at the expense of people's lives. From this, you can see what is more important to them : the life of the people who voted for them, or the money that pays their salary. 

[Guest Ah Dee]

On 9/10/2021 at 3:30 PM, leo yok loo said:

No worry because we dont know the numbers so 天下太平。

It is call out of sight out of mind.  Not reporting cases will do wonders to the mind.  Anyone who dare to question or speculate number of cases, will be made to meet in court for falsehood.  We don't want to go that route.  Reporting is better than not reporting.

[Guest Guest]

 

Remember this "manifesto" during last year 2020 election? One year later, from what can be seen of the handling of the covid and how some people defend the CECA, lives and jobs no longer seems to be part of this manifesto anymore... What about the future?

 

[Guest Wtf]

On 9/11/2021 at 2:43 PM, Guest Guest said:

 

That's the problem. The vaccinated are not immune to the virus. It only suppresses the symptoms. Singapore is back to square one with thousands of asymptomatic people running around with the virus now, just like how the country was doing so at the beginning. 

 

But at least in square one, they were worried about the asymptomatic carriers. But now, they don't even care because they think 80% vaccination rate is a big deal. 

 

If this complacency goes on, the next wave will hit Singapore much harder than ever before. 

 

Good luck, Singapore. 

 

On 9/11/2021 at 5:43 PM, Guest Guest said:

 

Think 50 onwards or even earlier will start developing some form of health issue, and now so much stress, definitely not helping healthwise. All best take care.

 

On 9/12/2021 at 10:25 AM, Guest Guest said:

 

And how many ICU beds can open up in Singapore? It was just less than 2 months ago that someone said our ICU beds may be overwhelmed if we allow the cluster to grow uncontrolled. And two months later, it became a matter of "living with it". 

 

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/covid-19-hospital-beds-capacity-cluster-grows-uncontrollably-2075806

This Indian variant is twice as transmissable than the original Wuhan variant, https://asm.org/Articles/2021/July/How-Dangerous-is-the-Delta-Variant-B-1-617-2, thereby doubling your 87,000 number to become 174,000.

 

And that's not even taking into consideration the latest Mu variant from Colombia which is believed to be even deadlier, and the variant has been already been found in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Japan and South Korea. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 9/12/2021 at 10:40 AM, Guest Guest said:

On 9/12/2021 at 11:16 AM, Guest Guest said:

 

Don't forget that they are telling people to "live" with the virus only for the sake of the economy, even if it is meant to be at the expense of people's lives. From this, you can see what is more important to them : the life of the people who voted for them, or the money that pays their salary. 

The problem is that you are all stuck in the thinking of the beginning of the pandemic. We are not back to square one, the situation has changed. Here are some facts you should know and remember before posting all these panicking, doom-mongering posts:

 

 - more than 81% (4.4 million people) of Singapore population is fully vaccinated. 
- vaccine is proven to reduce severity of symptoms. Over the last 28 days, the percentage of unvaccinated who became severely ill or died is 4.6%, while that for the fully vaccinated is 0.8%.

- Most people (98.5%) who are infected have mild symptoms or are asymptomatic.

 - Singapore has capacity of 1,000 ICU beds reserved for COVID-19. Currently, 7 are being used. 

 

with all these facts in mind, what do you propose should be done differently now? If you say lockdown/circuit breaker/heightened alert, then please tell me what comes next after any lockdown and how you end up not having to lockdown again after that. 

time to adapt your thinking and move on. 

 

[Derren]

On 9/12/2021 at 10:25 AM, Guest Guest said:

 

And how many ICU beds can open up in Singapore? It was just less than 2 months ago that someone said our ICU beds may be overwhelmed if we allow the cluster to grow uncontrolled. And two months later, it became a matter of "living with it". 

 

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/covid-19-hospital-beds-capacity-cluster-grows-uncontrollably-2075806

This Indian variant is twice as transmissable than the original Wuhan variant, https://asm.org/Articles/2021/July/How-Dangerous-is-the-Delta-Variant-B-1-617-2, thereby doubling your 87,000 number to become 174,000.

 

 

The figures I quoted are the latest from channelnewsasia. They are regarding the Delta variant which is the dominant strain now. Hence there is no need to double the estimates. 

[Guest Guest]

On 9/12/2021 at 4:19 PM, Guest Guest said:

 

Remember this "manifesto" during last year 2020 election? One year later, from what can be seen of the handling of the covid and how some people defend the CECA, lives and jobs no longer seems to be part of this manifesto anymore... What about the future?

 

 

Not wrong, they protected their million dollar jobs, their lives since MP sessions also shut, and their future is definitely better than yours or mine.

[Guest Guest]

 

 

On 9/12/2021 at 5:13 PM, Guest Wtf said:

The problem is that you are all stuck in the thinking of the beginning of the pandemic. We are not back to square one, the situation has changed. Here are some facts you should know and remember before posting all these panicking, doom-mongering posts:

 

 - more than 81% (4.4 million people) of Singapore population is fully vaccinated. 
- vaccine is proven to reduce severity of symptoms. Over the last 28 days, the percentage of unvaccinated who became severely ill or died is 4.6%, while that for the fully vaccinated is 0.8%.

- Most people (98.5%) who are infected have mild symptoms or are asymptomatic.

 - Singapore has capacity of 1,000 ICU beds reserved for COVID-19. Currently, 7 are being used. 

 

 

On the contrary, you are the one stuck thinking that the vaccine is a cure, when all that it is doing now is to reduce the symptoms with the new variants. How is encouraging people to move around while they are infected but asymptomatic going to help contain the problem? 

 

 

On 9/12/2021 at 5:13 PM, Guest Wtf said:

with all these facts in mind, what do you propose should be done differently now? If you say lockdown/circuit breaker/heightened alert, then please tell me what comes next after any lockdown and how you end up not having to lockdown again after that. 

time to adapt your thinking and move on. 

 

 

Look at what other countries such as NZ and Australia which are going for the lockdown. But of course, to the likes of you, human lives are not important compared to money. To the politicians and you, humans are expendible but not money, right?

 

What will YOU be saying if the person who is going to die of covid next is your own father or mother or even yourself? Will you be so supportive of every asymptomatic carriers running around like nobody's business? If you still think there is nothing wrong in prioritizing money above human lives, then I sincerely hope you and your family will be the next dead casualties instead of other people adding to that death count. You can move on that way. 

 

 

[passinthenight]

On 9/11/2021 at 11:58 AM, Derren said:

Pfizer's efficacy rate against infection by the Delta variant is about 40%. The projected numbers of cases reflect this. 

 

The virus will eventually pass through the entire population. The only thing we can do is slow the spread down over time so that our medical resources don't get overwhelmed at any one time.

 

Many of us will have a brush with Covid. Besides vaccination and the usual social distancing measures, we need to keep our immune system in good shape. So take good care of ourselves! Eat healthy, sleep well and get regular exercise and sunlight (vit D). 

 

 

 

 

 Yep, Spot on with the Vitamin D, also make sure your Zinc levels are up, especially if you are a vegan.

Men, need to replenish as they lose zinc when they ejaculate. 

So, if things get really bad......hang on to your loads boys. 

[lonelyglobe]

The problem is they are too engrossed with the 80% vaccination rate and they either forget or don't care the fact that we are not 80% vaccinated. On paper yes but in actual fact,  we should not count those that are vaccinated in Jan,  Feb and even Mar which consist of mainly elderly and front line worker As we know they are either left with zero protection or very little protection after 6 months especially against the Indian variant.

 

A perfect example would be the bus driver who have been vaccinated in Jan and Feb,  thIs batch would not have any or very little protection by  Jul and Aug , this timing coincide perfectly with the outbreak of covid among the bus driver. 

 

Again is lack of foresight,  if we knew after 6 month they are no longer protected, shouldn't we be giving booster jab in July and Aug instead of donating to other rich countries or  swapping with Australia? Can we not wait for 1 or 2 more months to get the booster jab done as much as possible before opening up? 

 

Then of course opening up to brunei and the whole of Europe is asking for a disaster to strike any moment. In short, when we have this liang popo, top gan and aljunied loser taking charge, SG need lots of good luck. 

Edited September 12, 2021 by lonelyglobe

[Guest Guest]

Does staying together in the same flat have to wear Mask? Or avoiding one another hiding in the room making sure no body in the living room than come out. To the extend of using tissue to open door. Another case my neighbour want to collect free food from me so scare to stand next to me cause am at home never wear mask. He have to ask me to move back further and ask me to drop it at the chair at the corridor. Is it necessary  to behave like that.? 

[single42]

basically right now all food delivery & courier delivery are contactless. They will drop the items at the door step, then u go collect the items. even money is to be exchanged. same process. therefore its better to pay everything upfront. 

 

all delivery personnel be it is food delivery are to wear masks, hand sanitized upon collecting & dropping off. when u approached ur door step to collect ur food / packages, please make sure u wear masks & hand sanitized too. 

 

use a wet wipe with alcohol based to wipe the surface area where the delivery personnel dropped off the packages / food. 

 

The maid in my parent's house wears masks too. the younger children are to be seated separately from the elderly at home. they will have to observed social distancing. 

 

carry a bottle of hand sanitizer with u & extra surgical masks with u at all time. cos' disposable masks can only last up to 4hrs. avoid crowded areas. stay at home if u have to. do not go out unnecessarily. 

Edited September 12, 2021 by single42

[lonelyglobe]

On 9/12/2021 at 10:27 PM, Guest Guest said:

Does staying together in the same flat have to wear Mask? Or avoiding one another hiding in the room making sure no body in the living room than come out. To the extend of using tissue to open door. Another case my neighbour want to collect free food from me so scare to stand next to me cause am at home never wear mask. He have to ask me to move back further and ask me to drop it at the chair at the corridor. Is it necessary  to behave like that.? 

Take it from another point of view, maybe he scare he will pass the virus to u,  so he is protecting u. 

[single42]

COVID: 486 new community cases, Chinatown Complex closed (yahoo.com)

 

SINGAPORE — The Ministry of Health (MOH) on Saturday (11 September) confirmed 555 new COVID-19 cases in Singapore, taking the country's total case count to 71,167.

These comprise 486 community cases, 64 dormitory residents cases and five imported cases.

 

708 cases are currently warded in hospital. There are also 35 cases of serious illness requiring oxygen supplementation, and seven in critical condition in the intensive care unit (ICU).

 

Of those who have fallen very ill, 33 are seniors above 60 years.

 

Over the last 28 days, the percentage of unvaccinated who became severely ill or died is 4.6 per cent, while that for the fully vaccinated is 0.8 per cent.

 

As of Friday, 81 per cent of the population has completed their full vaccination regimen, and 84 per cent has received at least one dose.

 

A total of 8,846,497 doses of COVID-19 vaccines have been administered under the national vaccination programme (Pfizer-BioNTech Comirnaty and Moderna). These cover 4,551,854 individuals, with 4,411,550 individuals having completed the full regimen. 

 

In addition, 176,732 doses of other vaccines recognised in the World Health Organization’s Emergency Use Listing (WHO EUL) have been administered, covering 86,561 individuals.

Chinatown Complex closed

With a total of 66 cases currently linked to the Chinatown Complex (335 Smith Street) cluster, the complex will be closed to all members of the public from 3pm on Sunday to 1159pm on Wednesday.

 

63 of the cases work at Chinatown Complex, and the remaining three are household contacts of cases.

  

Persons who have logged in with SafeEntry to Chinatown Complex from 8-11 September will be issued Health Risk Alerts (HRA). They are strongly encouraged to go for a polymerase chain reaction (PCR) test as soon as possible and to reduce their social interactions for 14 days.

 

Free testing will also be extended to members of the public who visited the complex in the same period but do not receive HRAs. More information can be found here.

 

MOH is also closely monitoring 14 active large clusters, which have already been ringfenced through tracing, testing and isolation. Besides Chinatown Complex, they include Bugis Junction (313 cases), Toa Payoh Bus Interchange staff (210 cases) and 30 Sunview Way construction site (115 cases).

[Guest Wtf]

On 9/12/2021 at 6:42 PM, Guest Guest said:

 

 

 

On the contrary, you are the one stuck thinking that the vaccine is a cure, when all that it is doing now is to reduce the symptoms with the new variants. How is encouraging people to move around while they are infected but asymptomatic going to help contain the problem? 

 

 

 

 

Look at what other countries such as NZ and Australia which are going for the lockdown. But of course, to the likes of you, human lives are not important compared to money. To the politicians and you, humans are expendible but not money, right?

 

What will YOU be saying if the person who is going to die of covid next is your own father or mother or even yourself? Will you be so supportive of every asymptomatic carriers running around like nobody's business? If you still think there is nothing wrong in prioritizing money above human lives, then I sincerely hope you and your family will be the next dead casualties instead of other people adding to that death count. You can move on that way. 

 

 

 

Human lives are important, which is why people should get vaccinated.
 

Thanks for wishing death on me and my family in your complete hysteria. 
 

So now you have disregarded all data and logic and told us everything you don’t like, why not now answer the last part of my post? Here it is again for you:
 

”with all these facts in mind, what do you propose should be done differently now? If you say lockdown/circuit breaker/heightened alert, then please tell me what comes next after any lockdown and how you end up not having to lockdown again after that. ”

[Guest Guest]

 

On 9/12/2021 at 10:45 PM, Guest Wtf said:

Human lives are important, which is why people should get vaccinated.

 

If human lives are important, then why are they not focusing on the lockdown? Don't make it sound as if the vaccination is so effective, especially when the effectiveness of the vaccine against the new variants now is just as bad as that of the Sinovac vaccine against the original virus. If they were worried enough of Sinovac in the past to forbid it as one of the nationally-approved vaccine, then why are they not similarly worried about the lower efficiency of the vaccine against the new variants now? Our doors are even open for the newer variants to enter into the country now, just like how our doors were opened for the Indian variant to enter last time. Is their money more important than other people's lives? 

 

On 9/12/2021 at 10:45 PM, Guest Wtf said:

Thanks for wishing death on me and my family in your complete hysteria.

 

You are welcome. It's simple logical conclusion, and hysteria has nothing to do with it. And you deserve those condemnation. So just to repeat what was said : you can move on that way with you and your family being the next dead casualties, instead of other people adding to that death count.

 

 

On 9/12/2021 at 10:45 PM, Guest Wtf said:

So now you have disregarded all data and logic and told us everything you don’t like, why not now answer the last part of my post? Here it is again for you:
 

”with all these facts in mind, what do you propose should be done differently now? If you say lockdown/circuit breaker/heightened alert, then please tell me what comes next after any lockdown and how you end up not having to lockdown again after that. ”

 

I have an answer for that. But before I give you the answer, can I get paid $1,000,000 for that? If not, why should anyone give you the answer just so that someone else who cannot come up with the solution be paid that amount? If your head is not big enough, don't put on such a big cap. 

[Guest Wtf]

On 9/13/2021 at 10:18 AM, Guest Guest said:

 

 

If human lives are important, then why are they not focusing on the lockdown? Don't make it sound as if the vaccination is so effective, especially when the effectiveness of the vaccine against the new variants now is just as bad as that of the Sinovac vaccine against the original virus. If they were worried enough of Sinovac in the past to forbid it as one of the nationally-approved vaccine, then why are they not similarly worried about the lower efficiency of the vaccine against the new variants now? Our doors are even open for the newer variants to enter into the country now, just like how our doors were opened for the Indian variant to enter last time. Is their money more important than other people's lives? 

 

 

You are welcome. It's simple logical conclusion, and hysteria has nothing to do with it. And you deserve those condemnation. So just to repeat what was said : you can move on that way with you and your family being the next dead casualties, instead of other people adding to that death count.

 

 

 

I have an answer for that. But before I give you the answer, can I get paid $1,000,000 for that? If not, why should anyone give you the answer just so that someone else who cannot come up with the solution be paid that amount? If your head is not big enough, don't put on such a big cap. 

you really can’t deal with facts, huh? Are they too complicated for you, or does it just feel better to be emotional and hysterical? 
 

1) sinovac vaccine was not approved because there was missing data

2) my family is all vaccinated and therefore none of us are likely to die from COVID but thank you for wishing this. Also, 98.5% of cases who are infected have mild symptoms or are asymptomatic, so not sure why you anyway equate catching COVID with automatic death sentence?
3) if you have some magical answer as to how to tackle reducing cases without lockdowns - as this matters so much to you - then better you provide it for the good of humanity and so you can receive a Nobel prize for thinking of something that no government in the world has managed to do. If your answer is lockdown, then please tell me what happens after the lockdown. 
 

covid will become endemic everywhere and will be a serious risk to three groups: the clinically vulnerable, those who can be vaccinated for health reasons and those who refuse to vaccinate. The first two groups should be protected with safe distancing and other measures. The third should be left to the consequences of their actions. 
 

[Guest Wtf]

On 9/13/2021 at 11:41 AM, Guest Wtf said:

you really can’t deal with facts, huh? Are they too complicated for you, or does it just feel better to be emotional and hysterical? 
 

1) sinovac vaccine was not approved because there was missing data

2) my family is all vaccinated and therefore none of us are likely to die from COVID but thank you for wishing this. Also, 98.5% of cases who are infected have mild symptoms or are asymptomatic, so not sure why you anyway equate catching COVID with automatic death sentence?
3) if you have some magical answer as to how to tackle reducing cases without lockdowns - as this matters so much to you - then better you provide it for the good of humanity and so you can receive a Nobel prize for thinking of something that no government in the world has managed to do. If your answer is lockdown, then please tell me what happens after the lockdown. 
 

covid will become endemic everywhere and will be a serious risk to three groups: the clinically vulnerable, those who can be vaccinated for health reasons and those who refuse to vaccinate. The first two groups should be protected with safe distancing and other measures. The third should be left to the consequences of their actions. 
 

Last paragraph should obviously say: “those who can’t be vaccinated for health reasons”

 

 

[jlone]

For those who understand Mandarin

[Guest Guest]

On 9/13/2021 at 11:41 AM, Guest Wtf said:

you really can’t deal with facts, huh? Are they too complicated for you, or does it just feel better to be emotional and hysterical? 
 

1) sinovac vaccine was not approved because there was missing data

2) my family is all vaccinated and therefore none of us are likely to die from COVID but thank you for wishing this. Also, 98.5% of cases who are infected have mild symptoms or are asymptomatic, so not sure why you anyway equate catching COVID with automatic death sentence?
3) if you have some magical answer as to how to tackle reducing cases without lockdowns - as this matters so much to you - then better you provide it for the good of humanity and so you can receive a Nobel prize for thinking of something that no government in the world has managed to do. If your answer is lockdown, then please tell me what happens after the lockdown. 
 

covid will become endemic everywhere and will be a serious risk to three groups: the clinically vulnerable, those who can be vaccinated for health reasons and those who refuse to vaccinate. The first two groups should be protected with safe distancing and other measures. The third should be left to the consequences of their actions

 

you really can’t deal with facts, huh? Are they too complicated for you, or does it just feel better to be leave your brains in your bed everyday you wake up and simply listen to what your masters tell you and take their words as the Holy Truth every second?

 

1) If there was missing data, then why was sinovac even been allowed for public use at all? 

 

2) it is exactly because of stupid people like you who thinks that getting vaccinated will make you become invincible against all other variants, that will make the next wave in Singapore far worst then ever. There are already multiple breakthrough cases in Singapore involving the death of a 90-year old vaccinated man (https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/community/90-year-old-man-dies-from-covid-19-complications-the-first-death-of-fully) and the lost of taste and smell in a vaccinated person in a 30 year old man (https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/he-caught-covid-19-after-both-jabs-and-lost-sense-of-taste-smell).

 

And yet now, they still want to open up the entire country, not just to the locals but to everyone including those on short-term passes, as if our lives are worthless. If you are so happy with the economy opening up, why should others be the one to suffer the consequences?  Let me repeat what was said before:  you can move on that way with you and your family being the next dead casualties, instead of other people adding to that death count.

 

3) you want the magic answer, show me the magic million dollar. 

[Derren]

On 9/13/2021 at 9:45 PM, Guest Guest said:

 

 

1) If there was missing data, then why was sinovac even been allowed for public use at all? 

 

Sinovac is currently approved for use under the Special Access Route (SAR). The purpose of SAR is "to allow the use of unregistered therapeutic products in instances where there is a specific medical need."  (https://www.moh.gov.sg/covid-19/vaccination/faqs---special-access-route-(sar)-vaccines)

This comes after WHO approved Sinovac for emergency use.

 

For the vaccine to come under the National Vaccination Programme, HSA requires data to do a full evaluation. Sinovac is not able to or does not wish to provide all of the required data.

 

 

Edited September 13, 2021 by Derren

[Guest Wtf]

You are either a troll, dumb as shit, or both.

 

Either way, enjoy life in whatever super secure COVID-proof bunker you can find to protect yourself from this terrifying disease where 98.5 of current cases are asymptotic or have mild symptoms. While in there, you can spend your time convincing yourself you have your magical answer and somehow know better how to tackle COVID, even when all evidence from your posts is that you are totally clueless on basically everything. 
 

Your reasons to lock down the country are because a 90 year old died and a 30 year old lost their sense of taste and smell? These are the best examples you can find? Get a grip. 
 

[Guest Wtf]

On 9/13/2021 at 9:45 PM, Guest Guest said:

 

you really can’t deal with facts, huh? Are they too complicated for you, or does it just feel better to be leave your brains in your bed everyday you wake up and simply listen to what your masters tell you and take their words as the Holy Truth every second?

 

1) If there was missing data, then why was sinovac even been allowed for public use at all? 

 

2) it is exactly because of stupid people like you who thinks that getting vaccinated will make you become invincible against all other variants, that will make the next wave in Singapore far worst then ever. There are already multiple breakthrough cases in Singapore involving the death of a 90-year old vaccinated man (https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/community/90-year-old-man-dies-from-covid-19-complications-the-first-death-of-fully) and the lost of taste and smell in a vaccinated person in a 30 year old man (https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/he-caught-covid-19-after-both-jabs-and-lost-sense-of-taste-smell).

 

And yet now, they still want to open up the entire country, not just to the locals but to everyone including those on short-term passes, as if our lives are worthless. If you are so happy with the economy opening up, why should others be the one to suffer the consequences?  Let me repeat what was said before:  you can move on that way with you and your family being the next dead casualties, instead of other people adding to that death count.

 

3) you want the magic answer, show me the magic million dollar. 

 

On 9/13/2021 at 10:56 PM, Guest Wtf said:

You are either a troll, dumb as shit, or both.

 

Either way, enjoy life in whatever super secure COVID-proof bunker you can find to protect yourself from this terrifying disease where 98.5 of current cases are asymptotic or have mild symptoms. While in there, you can spend your time convincing yourself you have your magical answer and somehow know better how to tackle COVID, even when all evidence from your posts is that you are totally clueless on basically everything. 
 

Your reasons to lock down the country are because a 90 year old died and a 30 year old lost their sense of taste and smell? These are the best examples you can find? Get a grip. 
 

 

[Guest Guest]

On 9/13/2021 at 10:56 PM, Guest Wtf said:

You are either a troll, dumb as shit, or both.

 

Either way, enjoy life in whatever super secure COVID-proof bunker you can find to protect yourself from this terrifying disease where 98.5 of current cases are asymptotic or have mild symptoms. While in there, you can spend your time convincing yourself you have your magical answer and somehow know better how to tackle COVID, even when all evidence from your posts is that you are totally clueless on basically everything. 
 

Your reasons to lock down the country are because a 90 year old died and a 30 year old lost their sense of taste and smell? These are the best examples you can find? Get a grip. 
 

 

Have your masters been feeding with so much shit that you can no longer think for yourself? First and foremost, the two are just local examples to prove that the vaccination doesn't make you invincible, and also shows what can happen in breakthrough cases. You want to see more breakthrough cases elsewhere, a simple search on any search engines will do the job for you (unless of course your only search engines are dressed in white and what they say is the God-given Holy Truths). 

 

Besides, even if it is just a 90 year old who died and a 30 year old who lost his sense of taste and smell, you mean this is insignificant to you and your masters? If that's really what you think, then I'm sure you won't mind if your father and your mother are the next casualty just like how tat 90 year old died, and you are the one who will next lose your sense of taste and smell, just like how that 30 year old did.

 

Hey .... it's YOU who don't find it worrying, not me; It is YOU who are pushing for the opening up of Singapore in exchange for increased breakthrough cases, not me; So don't blame me for hoping that the breakthrough cases  will happen to YOU and YOUR FAMILY instead, since I am not the one asking for the economy to be opened up. Anyway like what YOU have said, so what if ALL THREE of you die? And if YOU and YOUR PARENTS die because of the opening up of the country, it's something that YOU asked for, not me. Maybe when you are on your deathbed or beside your dying parents, you will be extremely proud of yourself and you are happy to have made "sacrifice" for the Singapore economy (so that some people can continue to earn their million dollar pay cheques). That's what you want, isn't it? 

[Guest Wtf]

On 9/14/2021 at 1:20 AM, Guest Guest said:

 

Have your masters been feeding with so much shit that you can no longer think for yourself? First and foremost, the two are just local examples to prove that the vaccination doesn't make you invincible, and also shows what can happen in breakthrough cases. You want to see more breakthrough cases elsewhere, a simple search on any search engines will do the job for you (unless of course your only search engines are dressed in white and what they say is the God-given Holy Truths). 

 

Besides, even if it is just a 90 year old who died and a 30 year old who lost his sense of taste and smell, you mean this is insignificant to you and your masters? If that's really what you think, then I'm sure you won't mind if your father and your mother are the next casualty just like how tat 90 year old died, and you are the one who will next lose your sense of taste and smell, just like how that 30 year old did.

 

Hey .... it's YOU who don't find it worrying, not me; It is YOU who are pushing for the opening up of Singapore in exchange for increased breakthrough cases, not me; So don't blame me for hoping that the breakthrough cases  will happen to YOU and YOUR FAMILY instead, since I am not the one asking for the economy to be opened up. Anyway like what YOU have said, so what if ALL THREE of you die? And if YOU and YOUR PARENTS die because of the opening up of the country, it's something that YOU asked for, not me. Maybe when you are on your deathbed or beside your dying parents, you will be extremely proud of yourself and you are happy to have made "sacrifice" for the Singapore economy (so that some people can continue to earn their million dollar pay cheques). That's what you want, isn't it? 

Thanks for the lolz.

 

I’m done with you because you have no logical reasoning, can’t deal with facts and are basically just repeating ‘I hope you and your parents die from COVID’, which is pretty boring the third, fourth and fifth time. Newsflash: we won’t.
 

Enjoy life in your bunker.

[LeanMature]

On 9/12/2021 at 10:44 PM, single42 said:

COVID: 486 new community cases, Chinatown Complex closed (yahoo.com)

 

SINGAPORE — The Ministry of Health (MOH) on Saturday (11 September) confirmed 555 new COVID-19 cases in Singapore, taking the country's total case count to 71,167.

These comprise 486 community cases, 64 dormitory residents cases and five imported cases.

 

708 cases are currently warded in hospital. There are also 35 cases of serious illness requiring oxygen supplementation, and seven in critical condition in the intensive care unit (ICU).

 

Of those who have fallen very ill, 33 are seniors above 60 years.

 

Over the last 28 days, the percentage of unvaccinated who became severely ill or died is 4.6 per cent, while that for the fully vaccinated is 0.8 per cent.

 

As of Friday, 81 per cent of the population has completed their full vaccination regimen, and 84 per cent has received at least one dose.

 

A total of 8,846,497 doses of COVID-19 vaccines have been administered under the national vaccination programme (Pfizer-BioNTech Comirnaty and Moderna). These cover 4,551,854 individuals, with 4,411,550 individuals having completed the full regimen. 

 

In addition, 176,732 doses of other vaccines recognised in the World Health Organization’s Emergency Use Listing (WHO EUL) have been administered, covering 86,561 individuals.

Chinatown Complex closed

With a total of 66 cases currently linked to the Chinatown Complex (335 Smith Street) cluster, the complex will be closed to all members of the public from 3pm on Sunday to 1159pm on Wednesday.

 

63 of the cases work at Chinatown Complex, and the remaining three are household contacts of cases.

  

Persons who have logged in with SafeEntry to Chinatown Complex from 8-11 September will be issued Health Risk Alerts (HRA). They are strongly encouraged to go for a polymerase chain reaction (PCR) test as soon as possible and to reduce their social interactions for 14 days.

 

Free testing will also be extended to members of the public who visited the complex in the same period but do not receive HRAs. More information can be found here.

 

MOH is also closely monitoring 14 active large clusters, which have already been ringfenced through tracing, testing and isolation. Besides Chinatown Complex, they include Bugis Junction (313 cases), Toa Payoh Bus Interchange staff (210 cases) and 30 Sunview Way construction site (115 cases).

 

The daily cases of >500 is quite alarming.  As of last Sunday, 708 were warded in hospital.  At this going rate, it won't be long before the hospitals get overwhelmed.  

[Guest Guest]

On 9/14/2021 at 11:18 AM, LeanMature said:

 

The daily cases of >500 is quite alarming.  As of last Sunday, 708 were warded in hospital.  At this going rate, it won't be long before the hospitals get overwhelmed.  

 

The daily cases of >500 is quite alarming? Well .... guess what? The number as of 13 Sep 2021, 12pm is 607 now ...

[Guest Guest]

But the MTF not gan jiong at all leh ... 😅

[Guest Wtf]

On 9/14/2021 at 11:18 AM, LeanMature said:

 

The daily cases of >500 is quite alarming.  As of last Sunday, 708 were warded in hospital.  At this going rate, it won't be long before the hospitals get overwhelmed.  

how much hospital capacity do you think Singapore has? Do you know that there are 1,000 icu beds reserved for COVID patients, of which 7 are currently being used?
 

It’s good to be aware of what’s happening but there is also no need to panic unnecessarily.

[Guest qac]

In addition, the government is going to open the home recovery piloting to more people from September 15 onwards. Hopefully this helps bring down the number of hospital admissions as a result of COVID, since most of them are asymptomatic or mild.

[Guest Guest]

On 9/13/2021 at 10:17 PM, Guest qac said:

In addition, the government is going to open the home recovery piloting to more people from September 15 onwards. Hopefully this helps bring down the number of hospital admissions as a result of COVID, since most of them are asymptomatic or mild.

That’s a good point.

Yes! It is time for Sg to open up. Glad that the gov knows it.