Movie Recommendations / Reviews (Str8, Non-Pxxn) (Compiled)

[castaway]

Recently, I am getting crazier and more exciting about this movie so I tried to search and read many discussions and explanations through internet and found some are very good and would like to share with you :

Many people walked away from Inception impressed. Some were confused, some were even feeling like they had their brains woken by the most exciting and thought-provoking movie experience to come along all year.

The Rules :

Remember the basic premise: Cobb (the extractor) and his team are con artists, and like any con artists their job is to construct a false reality and manipulate it in order to confuse and/or fool a mark (in this case industrialist Robert Fischer, played by Cillian Murphy). Nolan takes the classic concept of a con man a step further by making Cobb and his team dream thieves, but in the end, the basic concept is still your classic con/heist movie.

Dream Levels and Dream Time

Nolan throws a lot of fancy math at you but it’s all really inconsequential. All you need to really know are the basic concepts:

The dream within a dream process puts you into a deeper state of dreaming. The deeper you go, the further removed your mind is from reality. We all know what that’s like: the deeper you sleep, the harder it is to be woken up and the more vivid and real-feeling a dream becomes. If you’re in a deep enough sleep, not even the usual physical ques to wake up effect you, such as the sensation of falling (“the kick”) or even, say, having to go to the bathroom.

By the time you reach the Limbo state it can be so difficult to wake, and the dream can feel so vividly real, that the mind stops trying to wake at all – the mind accepts the dream as its reality, like slipping into a coma.

When you wake up in Limbo you don’t remember that there is such a thing as a “real world” – as in any dream, you wake up in the middle of a scene and simply accept it for what it is. Breaking yourself out of this cycle is extremely difficult, which is why Cobb and his wife Mal were trapped in Limbo for what seemed like decades.

Time is the other factor. The deeper you go into a dream state, the faster your mind is able to imagine and perceive things within that dream state. We’re told the increase is exponential, so going deeper into dreams turns minutes into hours, into days, into years. This is why Cobb and his team are able to pull off the Fischer job while the van is still falling through the air, before the soldiers break into the snow fortress, before Arthur rigs the elevator, and all within the span of a flight from Sydney Australia to LA.

In Limbo, the mind works so fast that actual minutes can be interpreted as years gone by. When Saito “dies” from the gunshot wound he received on level 1 of the dream, his mind falls into Limbo, and Saito remains there for the minutes it takes Cobb and Ariadne (Ellen Page) to follow him into Limbo – those minutes in one dream state feel like decades to Saito in his Limbo state. By the time Cobb deals with expelling Mal’s “shadow” from his subconscious, Saito has begun to perceive himself as an old man.

Mal’s shadow stabs Cobb during the film’s climax, which throws Cobb back out into Limbo and onto the shores of Saito’s limbo house. When Cobb has to “wake” again in Limbo, his mind is muddled just like old man Saito’s brain. Through Saito’s memory of Cobb’s totem and some shared dialogue that included key trigger phrases – “Leap of faith,” “Old man full of regret, waiting to die alone,” etc. – Cobb and Saito are able to remember the meaningful conversations they had and that there is a reality they existed in before Limbo, where both of them had deep desires still waiting to be fulfilled (Cobb and his kids, Saito and his business). Once they remember that limbo is limbo, they are able to wake themselves up (likely with a gunshot to the head).

Source : http://screenrant.com/inception-spoilers-discussion-kofi-68330/

[castaway]

The Players

The Extractor – The extractor is a master con man, a person who knows how to manipulate a dreaming mark into revealing their deepest mental secrets. At heart, an extractor is a classic con man – he creates a false set of circumstances that manipulate the mark into revealing his secrets. Cobb (Leo DiCaprio) uses the same type of con man repertoire as George Clooney in Oceans 11 – only Cobb knows how to literally do his work on a subconscious level. Fancy premise aside though, the extractor (as I said) is basically your classic con man.

The Architect – The architect is the designer of the dream constructs into which an extractor brings a “mark.” Think of an architect as a video game designer, except in this case they create the “levels” within a dream, complete with all the aesthetic and tactile details. The mark (also known as “the subject”) is brought into that dream construct and fills it with details from their own subconscious and memories, which convince the mark that the dream the architect built is real – or at the very least, is the mark’s own dream.

The architect can manipulate real world architecture and physics in order to create paradoxes like an endless staircase, which makes the dream world function as a sort of maze. The dream is constructed as a maze so that A) The mark doesn’t reach the edge of the maze, realizing that they are in an imaginary place. B) So the mark runs the maze, leading the extractor toward “the cheese” – i.e., mental secrets the mark is protecting.

The Dreamer – The architect and the dreamer are not always the same person. The architect designs the dream world/maze and can then teach that maze to a separate dreamer. The dreamer is the person whose mind actually houses the dream and it is the dreamer’s mind that the subject/mark is ultimately brought into in order to to be conned by the extractor. The dreamer allows the mark to fill their mind with the mark’s subconscious, and unless the dreamer maintains the stability of the dream, the mark’s subconscious will realize it’s been invaded by foreign mind(s) and will try to locate and eliminate the dreamer to free itself.

When you start getting into the whole dream within a dream aspect of the movie, identifying the dreamer can be tricky – this is especially true when Cobb and his team start running their con on Fischer using three separate levels of dreaming. Once the tri-level dream sequence starts, one good way to keep track of the dreamers is by noticing which team member stays awake and doesn’t follow the team down to the next level of dreaming – a dreamer can’t enter a lower dream state, otherwise their level of the dream would end.

Here’s a rundown of who is actually dreaming each level of the Fischer con:

1.The rainy city – Yusuf the chemist (Dileep Rao) is dreaming this level. Yusuf is drinking a lot of champagne in the “real world” on the plane, so when he goes to sleep he has to pee (hence the rainfall). Since Yusuf is the dreamer of level 1, he has to stay in that level of the dream, hence why he has to drive the van.

2.The hotel – Arthur (Joseph Gordon Levitt) dreams the hotel, which is why he has to stay awake when the rest of the team goes down to the snow level. When the van Yusuf is driving goes off the bridge and is flying through the air, Aurthur’s “body” is suspended in air, which is why gravity in the hotel level of the dream goes haywire – as the dreamer’s body is shifted and moved, it effects the physics of the dream he’s dreaming, since the mind (and inner-ear) is registering the change in gravity.

3.The snow fortress – Eames the “forger” (Tom hardy) is dreaming this level of the dream. A question has been raised about why the gravity in the snow world doesn’t go haywire when Eames’ body starts floating in the zer0-gravity hotel. Well, you could say that Eames’ body isn’t being shook up or shifted in any way his mind (or inner-ear) would actively register or that being so deep in a dream state cushioned Eames from the effect of gravity. Or, you could say that it’s a glaring plot hole. Truthfully, it’s questionable.

4.Limbo – Limbo is actually unconstructed dream space – a place of raw (and random) subconscious impulse. Ariadne drops a line early on about the fact that the extractor team can bring elements of their own subconscious into the dream levels if they’re not careful, and since Cobb has spent time in Limbo and has a raging subconscious, the Limbo space they enter includes his memory of the city he and Mal built for themselves.

The Mark – The mark (Cillain Murphy) is the person who the extractor and his team are trying to con. The mark is brought into the mind of the dreamer, and since the mark is unaware that he/she is dreaming, they perceive the dreamer’s world as real while simultaneously making it feel real to themselves by filling it with details and secrets from their own subconscious. The extractor uses those details and various mental prompts to steer the mark through the dream world maze, towards the mental secrets the extractor wants to steal.

As stated, the mark thinks he is still awake, perceives the dream world as real and reinforces that notion by “projecting” his conscious view of the world onto the dream – this is why projection people populate the dream cities, etc. Because of the extractor’s manipulations, the mark goes along with the faux reality of dream, ultimately reaching the point where they either realize it’s a dream, or open their mind and reveal their secrets.

Projections – Dreams feel real to us when we’re dreaming and part of the reason for that is our mind’s ability to construct a faux real-world setting for us to interact with in dreams. Often, that dream is something like a city or any populated area which has other people walking around it. in Inception, those people that the unknowing mark populates the dream world with are known as “projections.”

As is explained in the film, projections are not part of the mark’s mind – they are manifestations of the mark’s vision of reality. If a mark has been trained to defend themselves against extractors, they have a part of their subconscious which is always on guard against mind-crime in the form of militarized security which attack mind invaders. In Cobb’s case, Mal (“the shade”) is a projection based on his need to remember his dead wife. Mal wanted Cobb back in limbo – his own subconscious trying to pull him back to a place where he could “be with her.”

The Forger – As in “forgery,” Eames (Tom Hardy) is a master of imitating people’s handwriting, mannerisms – and in the dream world, even their very appearance. This is key to Cobb’s plan: on dream level 1 (the rainy city) Eames impersonates Peter Browning (Tom Berenger), Robert Fischer’s closest advisor.

Using Browning’s image, Eames subtly suggests things to Fischer that fools Fischer into creating his own subconscious version of Browning (seen in dream level 2, the hotel). The version of Browning Fischer conjures in his subconscious motivates him to run deeper into Cobb’s maze (dream level 3, the snow fortress) in order to find “the cheese” – i.e., the inception of the idea Saito wanted Cobb to plant. Basically, the Forger fools Fischer into using his own subconscious projections against himself.

Mal (and her shadow) – Mal is the character who acts as a vessel for all the more complex notions and questions about reality the film raises. Mal not only thought but felt that the world she and Cobb had built in limbo was real – it fed her emotionally and made her happy. When Cobb planted the idea that “Your world is not real” in her mind, he only meant for it to wake her from limbo. Instead, what he actually did by allowing that idea to take root in her mind was to destroy that sense of fulfillment and connection she once had – and once it was destroyed, it couldn’t be repaired.

Even with her husband and children all back together, Mal couldn’t access that emotional reality that comes with the bond of love and connection to our love ones. Because of inception, Mal couldn’t value love or connection the same way because a fake reality only offered fake connections and emotions – only she and Cobb and their love was real to her anymore. She needed to keep trying to reach some higher state where the nagging doubt would be cured and she could be happy again. And so, thinking Cobb lost in a faux reality, she arranged the hotel suicide and murder implication in order to force Cobb to follow her. The idea Cobb implanted in her led her to her death (seemingly), and the guilt of that act led Cobb to create a shadow of her in his subconscious.

At the climax of the film, Mal throws deep questions at Cobb (and the audience) asking if having faceless corporations chase somebody around isn’t yet another dream state. She questions the very nature of reality for all of us and certainly whether or not the faux reality of film isn’t its own sort of dream state – a place where fantastic things occur – an imagined place we as movie goers share and perceive differently and fill with our own subconscious views and interpretations. Pretty deep meta-thinking stuff.

Source : http://screenrant.com/inception-spoilers-discussion-kofi-68330/2/

Edited August 13, 2010 by castaway

[castaway]

The Ending

There are a ton of theories being tossed around the Internet about the ending of Inception, the two biggest debates being whether Cobb was still in a dream or did he in fact return to his children in the “real world.”

The ending of Inception is meant to leave you thinking and questioning the nature of reality. The important question is not “Is Cobb still dreaming?” – What is important is the fact that the character of Cobb goes from being a guy who is obsessed with “knowing what’s real” to ultimately being a person who stops questioning and accepts what makes him truly happy as what’s real.

But people want more concrete answers than that, so here you go:

After two viewings I can tell you that from the moment that Cobb and Saito (seem to) wake up from limbo, Nolan very purposefully shifts the film into an ambiguous state that leaves it somewhat open to the viewer’s perception and interpretation of that perception – two big themes of the movie, coincidentally enough.

From the moment Cobb and Saito wake, there is no more dialogue between the characters and few shots or images that would concretely explain or prove one interpretation. Is Cobb still dreaming and his team and family (and maybe Saito) are all projections? Or is it the job completed, everyone is back in reality and everything is happily ever after? There are a few pieces of “evidence” that we can certainly address:

•Was Saito truly powerful enough to make one phone call and end Cobb’s problems or was that just Cobb in limbo projecting his subconscious wish to go home? You can argue logistics all you want, but if it’s said that Saito is a powerful and wealthy man (he bought a whole airline on a whim), then there’s reason enough to infer that he could bend the legal system for Cobb. Rich powerful people bend laws all the time.

•Is there something up with that immigration agent or is he just an immigration agent? After two viewings, the conclusion should be that the immigration guy is just a guy. If he’s staring at Cobb, it’s because his job is to look people over and scrutinize them. Would you want immigration letting people through without face-to-face scrutiny?

•Did Cobb’s father (Michael Caine) arrange to meet him at the airport or is he there because he’s Cobb’s projection? At this point we’re reading way too much into things. There is a phone on the plane, so Cobb could’ve easily arranged for pickup. This was also an intricate plan they were hatching, so arranging for airport pickup would probably be on the to-do list.

•In early dream scenes Cobb is wearing a wedding band that doesn’t appear in the “real world” scenes or the end scenes in the airport – does that mean the ending is “reality?” Details like that are certainly strong evidence that there is a real world and that Cobb does live in it at times – such as when he isn’t wearing a wedding band.

•Does the fact that Cobb uses Mal’s totem mean it doesn’t work as a totem and therefore he never knows if he’s in reality or not? Again, we’re reading a little too deep into things. The only people who know the weight and feel of that totem are Mal and Cobb, and since Mal is dead, Cobb is the only one left who knows the totem’s tactile details. So yes, he could certainly use it as a measure of reality, the totem was not “ruined” by him using it.

•At the end, Cobb’s kids seem to be the same age and are seemingly wearing the same clothes as they were in his memory of them – is it “proof” he’s still dreaming? As carefully documented by our own Vic Holtreman, at the end of the film Cobb’s kids are wearing similar outfits to the ones he remembers, but their shoes are different. As for their ages: if you check IMDB, there are actually two set of actors credited with playing Cobb’s kids. The daughter, Phillipa, is credited as being both 3 and 5 years old, while the son, James, is credited as being both 20 months and 3 years old. This suggests that while it might be subtle, there is a difference between the kids in Cobb’s memories and the kids Cobb comes home to. That would suggest the homecoming is in fact “reality.” But feel free to debate that.

•Will the spinning top keep spinning or was it about to fall over just before Nolan cut to black? Sorry, we will never know for sure, although it does start to wobble and it is never shown doing that in the dream world. Each of us will take away a guess – kind of the point of that final shot.

or

At the beginning of the film, after the first job Cobb’s team tries to pull on Saito, we see Cobb sitting in his hotel room alone, spinning the top and watching it intently, gun in hand. This is a guy who is ready to blow his brains out if the top keeps spinning, in order to “wake himself up.” That’s how obsessed and paranoid he’s become.

Throughout the film, Cobb continues to obsess about spinning the top and verifying reality – however, at the end of movie, he spins the top and walks away from it before he can verify if it stops spinning or not. His kids come running in and Cobb could care less about about the top or “true reality” or extraction/inception anymore. He just wants to be with his children, in whatever place he can be with them. That emotional connection and desire is “reality” enough for him.

In the end, Cobb walking away from the top is a statement in itself that also completes the arc of his character. In a way, the movie is its own maze designed to plant a simple little idea in the viewer’s mind: “reality” is a relative concept.

But the most important word for this movie is the tagline :

"Your mind is the scene of the crime, The dream is real "

Now I can understand and clear some doubts in my mind :clap:

Wish you guys appreciate this movie

Source : http://screenrant.com/inception-spoilers-discussion-kofi-68330/3/

Edited August 13, 2010 by castaway

[hazilyhasty]

I have this inkling that Cobb's reality, as known to him, is actually the real limbo he was stuck in. It was perhaps right that his wife killed herself because she very well understood that both of them were stuck in limbo (which Cobb thought was real), and everything in that movie is simply a mental manifestation of his thoughts. What made me arrive at this conclusion is because Cobb's kids were exactly the same as they were in his hallucinations - they never age, nor change, when they appeared at the end of the film.

[soxite]

Wah! I'm gonna watch the movie tonight ... hope I will pull through and not find it draggy or boring ... some of my friends were saying the movie was good...

[Guest Ian lim]

OMG~~i love this movie <3

i watch it 2 times already...

[soxite]

OMG~~i love this movie <3

i watch it 2 times already...

Wah, more than two hours long can tahan watch again? Then again ... there was Titanic...

[cadlad]

how about this, the really convenient character of the new Architect. I understand her role in this movie is a "narrator" through a newbie, the whole dream concept, everyone's role were explained to the audiences. But she seemed to catch the whole idea so quick and able to even diagnosed Cobb character's mental issue. As a newbie she could even offer suggestion on how to tackle the situation.

We could think of her as an genius, but overall her character was too convenient and lacked that character development (some struggle or even hiccups would be nice).

i personally find it acceptable and do not have any issues with her character or its development

[Guest Ian lim]

Wah, more than two hours long can tahan watch again? Then again ... there was Titanic...

yo..of course can lar,

when u enjoy dis movie,u wont think it is long

hmm...i luv dis movie,and i hope i can watch it again,haha.

i think it is better than avatar""

[soxite]

yo..of course can lar,

when u enjoy dis movie,u wont think it is long

hmm...i luv dis movie,and i hope i can watch it again,haha.

i think it is better than avatar""

I watched it! So cool! The ending makes you think if it is still in a dream or in reality ... didn't feel that long. Well, Avatar is really on the visual and while Inception engages you if you focus and follow the story otherwise might feel it is jumping here and there. But in Inception, I also like the effects ... the guy is so cool while fighting people in the hotel, even while floating! Cute too.

[Guest Nin An]

oh that repair man part had a big bug - since when telephone depends on batteries to work? The product placement telephone uses batteries to support other function such as LCD screen and memory, without the batteries, she could still use the phone.

It would seemed like she purposely seduce the repair man to her house, but when the time came for the actual flirt, she chickened out

You are right. That is why he said "我早知道" after replacing the battery and made his move on her later.

Same as gays, if interested we give such chances to our tops and they mentally "我早知道"

[astroboy1985]

i cried when i saw the tomatoes. hahahahah. its a good movie

[amitie]

he's joseph gordon-levitt. his previous movie was 500 days of summer.

[briax]

he's joseph gordon-levitt. his previous movie was 500 days of summer.

looks like I am not the only one who think Joseph Gordon Levitt is hot. He is a lot charming after maturing.

[soxite]

looks like I am not the only one who think Joseph Gordon Levitt is hot. He is a lot charming after maturing.

Ya, its him!!!!! Drool!!!!!

[Guest Inceptionitis]

oralb, any more plot holes you can think of?

the biggest one that i can't reconcile is: cobb's daughter evidently sounds like a teenager when the kids called him while he was in kyoto. yet at the end, the kids were still... kids. although, of course, one can argue that it's a case of bad audio design.

Yes!!!! finally someone who has the same question as I do.

If you remember there were two voices over the phone. Onme was clearly younger and full of hope and naiveity

the second was older and rather skeptical... "grandma says u are not coming back"..... now the two kids at the end of the movie...very young... which one of them could have sounded mature and pissed?......... clearly he is still dreaming

anyone here have the antidote for inceptionitis?

[Adamz]

Hi guys,

my 2 cents worth on this topic;

At the beginning of the film, Cobb is seen sitting in his hotel room alone spinning the top, (or 'totem' whichever you may call it) and watching it intently with a gun in his hand.

Here is a guy who is ready to blow his brains if the top keeps spinning, in order to 'wake himself up'

That’s how obsessed and paranoid he’s become.

Throughout the film, Cobb continues to obsess about spinning the top and verifying reality

However, at the end of movie, he spins the top and walks away from it before he can verify if it stops spinning or otherwise.

His children come running in and Cobb could care less of the top or “true reality” or extraction/inception anymore.

He just wants to be with his children. That emotional connection is “reality” enough.

At the very end, Cobb walking away from the top is a statement in itself that also completes the arc of his character.

Similar to 'The Dark Knight', Christopher Nolan uses minute articles to confuse/complex maters, all with one purpose,which is to provoke the mind.

This time, Nolan uses lots of fancy math/terminology, but really the plot is simple, a dream within a dream, within a dream.

In a way, he successfully integrated you (the viewer) into the movie, to doubt, to question, to ponder, to hate, to have an opinion....

In conclusion, lets not fixate to where Cobb is at but lets appreciate it rather

the movie in its own;

Is a maze designed to plant a simple little idea in the viewer’s mind: “reality” is a relative concept

Cheers

[Guest adamz no 1 fan]

[Cobb could care less of the top or “true reality” or extraction/inception anymore.

He just wants to be with his children. That emotional connection is “reality” enough.

At the very end, Cobb walking away from the top is a statement in itself that also completes the arc of his character.

Is a maze designed to plant a simple little idea in the viewer’s mind: “reality” is a relative concep

Wow Adamz... u blow my mind... cutie with an amazing mind... wat u say is so obviously true after I read it

He chooses the reality that makes him happy...

Indeed Adamz, u have planted an idea in my head about you... not often to find a guy who stimulates me on both levels... the head on the shoulder and the other head at the end of my dick...

[Guest If cocide]

Zoe Tay's 2nd movie in 10 years... Love Cuts aka 割奶.

Her acting is sure to be very impressive.

Will you support her by watching her movie?

[Guest Zoe Fans?]

Are you Zoe's big fans? thus you are here to promote her movie.

i am not Zoe's fan, and i see nothing controversial about this movie,

is like a re-fried the over night rice, the story had been used countless times.

[Guest No thanks]

Local production waste time waste money, whether Zoe Tay or not.

Give me free also don't want to watch.

[Guest Zoe]

一看就知道是烂片一部，何必浪费钱去看这种说教的电影。

电影公司和郑惠玉也够despo的，以摸胸海报夺人眼球。

拜托，郑惠玉老奶有人要meh?

[Guest matureGuest]

One of the few local actresses i like. though she's old liao, but i like her understated acting style. not like those typical taiwanese-style of exaggeration, very lowkey but authentic.

[Guest ficelle PEACE]

"Understated" acting indeed...

LOL

[simple1975]

Not really a fan of Zoe, at least she dun have to act someone who's much younger than her current age.

Saw the trailer, simple & touching movie. You can see the real Zoe acting skill.

Wheather the movie going to make it big or worth seeing is another issue. The main reason is to creating an awareness for all women in Singapore.

[abang]

I am not too sure about this but is this movie a promo/health awareness programme Health Promotion Board and Breast Cancer Foundation (they might have provided information about Breast Cancer)?

I seriously dont like Zoe Tay and her crow feet but if it raises awareness, then it serves its purpose.

Side-note:

Zoe Tay is so photoshopped nowadays... she cant hold court with other actresses in her age bracket eg. Pan Ling Ling, Lin Mei Qiao or even Xiang Yun. She really does not aged well like the others. Perhaps her agent is rejecting those not-meaty motherly roles. Please tell her to step aside graciously before she gets the axe from Mediacrap... which by the way is giving this lame excuse that the Taiwanese serial is attracting more audience than their regular run-of-the-mill serials. Screening such long-winded serials only show the inadequacy of our local contents.

[simple1975]

This movies was supported by Health Promotion Board to create an awareness on Breast Cancer. They wanted a local movie on this issue, that why Zoe was choosen.

I have to agreed that Zoe doesnt aged well compare to others actress. Every actor or actress went thru photoshop, whether young or old, so I dun see any issue. Me myself also photshop my pic, hahahahahahaha

This might be due to some other factors that causes a women. Anyway, the movie is about health awareness, not about Zoe & her look.

Looking forward to watch this movie, as part of supporting local movies. :clap:

[Guest Guest]

want to promote awareness then show us the movie for free (but i doubt i will waste time on it).

[Guest Guest]

i will watch because of Kenny Ho 何家劲 in the movie. Hehe.

[Guest hahahahaha!!!]

Not really a fan of Zoe, at least she dun have to act someone who's much younger than her current age.

Zoe Tay looks so auntie and haggard.

She can't act younger even if she wanted to lor!

That's why she was slammed for trying to act young as 34 in The Ultimatum when, in reality, she is 41 going on to 45.

The ugly truth about her wrinkles and crow's feet was out under HIGH DEFINITION TV.

She was instantly exposed as a sham, no wonder Garnier withdrew all her ads.

And her magazine editor friends keep on photoshopping her covers.

Are they trying to SABO her?

[Guest tornels 23S:]

Please tell her to step aside graciously before she gets the axe from Mediacrap...

You are closer to the truth than you think.

Her performance since 2005 is extremely poor.

She is out of all Star Awards best actress nominations since 2003 and popularity since 2004.

MCS tried to save her career by giving her a meaty role in Ultimatum, but she caused a brouhaha with her wrinkles, causing the serial to sink.

Her contract expired in June 2010 and MCS did not renew it, citing her pregnancy.

Obviously MCS was in no hurry to sign her up.

This shows just how dispensable Zoe Tay is to them.

MCS says they will discuss about her contract after she delivers in October.

Her renewal depends on Mr Andrew Cheng, vice-president of Artiste Management division, MCS.

Andrew Cheng and Zoe have some 'history' way back.

In 2007, Zoe Tay claimed that MCS terminated her contract during her 2nd pregnancy.

It earned her a public rebuttal from Andrew Cheng.

Will Zoe get renewed? If she gets renewed, will MCS cut her fee?

Stay tuned.

[simple1975]

Hi,

I have frenz who work for Garnier. That particular product wasn't doing very well in the market, so they decided to use Zoe for 2 months to see if it work. Nothing got to do with her wrinkles cos that particular range was SUCK!

As for Mediacorp, see how they treated Huang Biren when they wanted to renew her contract, cut her pay? Even good actress like her they also dont appreciate, you think they will still appreciate Zoe? Her heyday over. In the end, Huang Biren choose not to renew, left Mediacorp with disappointment.

Zoe no longer popular, losing her to Mediacorp is nothing. See how they treated others actor & actress who were good. Actress like Zeng HuiFen die die choose not to come back, for a reason althought Mediacorp wanted her back so badly.

I used work as a magazine designer, it's a must to photoshop on any pictures given. But there's one true fact, Zoe does look good on photo shoot, it's a true fact from all well know photographers. :thumb:

We cannot expect her to be the top all the time, in good shape all the time. Who dont grow old? Take Fann Wong for example, she look too perfect until it's abit too fake. Zoe, for sure never maintain, Fann over maintain. See wat happen if Fann become Zoe, you think Singaporean wont slam her?

We Singaporean only like to see & hear good things. One best good example, Darren Choy. Everyone expected him to win a Gold during YOG just because he's rwo time world Champion. In the end he didnt, Singaporean starts to slam him. It's really sad.

Anyway, I'm just sharing my thoughts, no offend to anyone. If I have, I'm sorry.

So CHILL MAN !!!

[Guest talkingstraight]

Hi,

I have frenz who work for Garnier. That particular product wasn't doing very well in the market, so they decided to use Zoe for 2 months to see if it work. Nothing got to do with her wrinkles cos that particular range was SUCK!

As for Mediacorp, see how they treated Huang Biren when they wanted to renew her contract, cut her pay? Even good actress like her they also dont appreciate, you think they will still appreciate Zoe? Her heyday over. In the end, Huang Biren choose not to renew, left Mediacorp with disappointment.

Zoe no longer popular, losing her to Mediacorp is nothing. See how they treated others actor & actress who were good. Actress like Zeng HuiFen die die choose not to come back, for a reason althought Mediacorp wanted her back so badly.

I used work as a magazine designer, it's a must to photoshop on any pictures given. But there's one true fact, Zoe does look good on photo shoot, it's a true fact from all well know photographers. :thumb:

We cannot expect her to be the top all the time, in good shape all the time. Who dont grow old? Take Fann Wong for example, she look too perfect until it's abit too fake. Zoe, for sure never maintain, Fann over maintain. See wat happen if Fann become Zoe, you think Singaporean wont slam her?

We Singaporean only like to see & hear good things. One best good example, Darren Choy. Everyone expected him to win a Gold during YOG just because he's rwo time world Champion. In the end he didnt, Singaporean starts to slam him. It's really sad.

Anyway, I'm just sharing my thoughts, no offend to anyone. If I have, I'm sorry.

So CHILL MAN !!!

very well said my friend.

it seems the minority who contributes in this forum are very bitter and self loathing people. they like to pick on others because they themselves are hapless and hopelessly unhappy with their lives. these are the people who must keep picking for bones in an egg, trying their best to find fault with others just to make themselves feel better.

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Hi,

I have frenz who work for Garnier. That particular product wasn't doing very well in the market, so they decided to use Zoe for 2 months to see if it work. Nothing got to do with her wrinkles cos that particular range was SUCK!

As for Mediacorp, see how they treated Huang Biren when they wanted to renew her contract, cut her pay? Even good actress like her they also dont appreciate, you think they will still appreciate Zoe? Her heyday over. In the end, Huang Biren choose not to renew, left Mediacorp with disappointment.

Zoe no longer popular, losing her to Mediacorp is nothing. See how they treated others actor & actress who were good. Actress like Zeng HuiFen die die choose not to come back, for a reason althought Mediacorp wanted her back so badly.

I used work as a magazine designer, it's a must to photoshop on any pictures given. But there's one true fact, Zoe does look good on photo shoot, it's a true fact from all well know photographers. :thumb:

We cannot expect her to be the top all the time, in good shape all the time. Who dont grow old? Take Fann Wong for example, she look too perfect until it's abit too fake. Zoe, for sure never maintain, Fann over maintain. See wat happen if Fann become Zoe, you think Singaporean wont slam her?

We Singaporean only like to see & hear good things. One best good example, Darren Choy. Everyone expected him to win a Gold during YOG just because he's rwo time world Champion. In the end he didnt, Singaporean starts to slam him. It's really sad.

Anyway, I'm just sharing my thoughts, no offend to anyone. If I have, I'm sorry.

So CHILL MAN !!!

1. If that particular Garnier anti-aging range sucked, why is it still in the market today (Guardian, Watsons, NTUC and many other stores)? Why did they drop Zoe Tay as spokesperson?

2. Huang Biren is the real Queen, a versatile actress and a viewership guarantee, who left MCS of her own accord.

Zoe Tay's case is the opposite - with all her failures, she still doesn't want to step down graciously? Her time is over liao.

3. You admitted that Zoe's no longer popular.

That's why all those cheebye antics to seek attention.

4. 8 Days photoshopped her cover and then say "Does Zoe Tay look like a 40 year old mother of 2 to you?"

It's "industry practice" used to perpetuate the illusion that Zoe is still youthful, smooth and wrinkle-free.

A lie which backfired when Zoe appeared all haggard and wrinkly on Ultimatum.

5. How do you know Fann Wong over maintain "for sure"?

You sound like one of those rabid Zoe Tay lackeys who love to criticise Fann Wong.

Aiyo, don't SABO Zoe Tay like that leh!

[Guest get the hell lost]

it seems the minority who contributes in this forum are very bitter and self loathing people. they like to pick on others because they themselves are hapless and hopelessly unhappy with their lives. these are the people who must keep picking for bones in an egg, trying their best to find fault with others just to make themselves feel better.

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AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW..............hit a raw wound?????? ROFLMAO!!!!

[Guest JAMES]

郑惠玉还能算阿姐吗？

早就过期了，一直都是靠她的媒体朋友吹捧和包庇而已。

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Philip asks Zoe to go for boob reduction operation

[simple1975]

1. If that particular Garnier anti-aging range sucked, why is it still in the market today (Guardian, Watsons, NTUC and many other stores)? Why did they drop Zoe Tay as spokesperson?

Very simple, over productive of stocks. If you the boss, do you want to sell off the products when it's not effective? Of course you want to sell it off from the rack, Right! Different countries also have different stars to be the spokesperson. All dropped, after two months. They were pretty & younger than Zoe.

2. Huang Biren is the real Queen, a versatile actress and a viewership guarantee, who left MCS of her own accord.

Zoe Tay's case is the opposite - with all her failures, she still doesn't want to step down graciously? Her time is over liao.

Huang Biren left on her own accord because Mediacorp cut her pay, gave her lousy terms. As the new Queen & versatile Actress & viewership gurantee, will you want to stay when your hardwork not even being appreciate? It's also tell you that her days are numbers too, mediacorp want new fresh actor & actress.

3. You admitted that Zoe's no longer popular.

That's why all those cheebye antics to seek attention.

Do government set a rule & regulation that whoever no longer popular cannot be attention seeker? Btw, attention seeker it's said by the public. If you think she's a attention seeker, than she will be. If you think she's not a attention seeker, than she's not. All i can said about Zoe, she's not very good in using words. The more she used, the more mistake arise. she unintentionlly SABO herself.

4. 8 Days photoshopped her cover and then say "Does Zoe Tay look like a 40 year old mother of 2 to you?"

It's "industry practice" used to perpetuate the illusion that Zoe is still youthful, smooth and wrinkle-free.

A lie which backfired when Zoe appeared all haggard and wrinkly on Ultimatum.

Yes, she might be haggard & wrinkly in the drama, but comes to photoshoot, dont you agree that she still look stunning even with photoshop? If she maintain well without crow feet & wrinkle, than what will happen next?

Zoe was never a pretty star, she just look good in any angle when comes to photo shoot.

Ask anyone in photography & magazines publisher, all photos have to be photoshopped, even for young new actor or actress.

Afteralll, it's just a tagline, chill man.

5. How do you know Fann Wong over maintain "for sure"?

You sound like one of those rabid Zoe Tay lackeys who love to criticise Fann Wong.

Aiyo, don't SABO Zoe Tay like that leh!

Both Zoe & Fann both appeared in Good Morning News to promote Ultimatum last year. When the host ask Zoe about her beauty tips, she straight away replied "You have ask the wrong person, i dont, it's Fann"

Fann honestly admitted that she did alot of preparation on her face, before & after for more than an hour or two.

Anyway, I'm not here to make enemy or picking fight. Just sharing my views. If you dont like Zoe Tay, then dont support her, it's just a forum on whether to support her movie or not. The truth is, Wrinkles & crow feet on her, that's a fact, cannot run away since she's 42 with 2 kids, i more coming out. It's a matter of whether you accept it or not.

Edited August 29, 2010 by simple1975

[Guest Guest]

1. If that particular Garnier anti-aging range sucked, why is it still in the market today (Guardian, Watsons, NTUC and many other stores)? Why did they drop Zoe Tay as spokesperson?

Very simple, over productive of stocks. If you the boss, do you want to sell off the products when it's not effective? Of course you want to sell it off from the rack, Right! Different countries also have different stars to be the spokesperson. All dropped, after two months. They were pretty & younger than Zoe.

2. Huang Biren is the real Queen, a versatile actress and a viewership guarantee, who left MCS of her own accord.

Zoe Tay's case is the opposite - with all her failures, she still doesn't want to step down graciously? Her time is over liao.

Huang Biren left on her own accord because Mediacorp cut her pay, gave her lousy terms. As the new Queen & versatile Actress & viewership gurantee, will you want to stay when your hardwork not even being appreciate? It's also tell you that her days are numbers too, mediacorp want new fresh actor & actress.

3. You admitted that Zoe's no longer popular.

That's why all those cheebye antics to seek attention.

Do government set a rule & regulation that whoever no longer popular cannot be attention seeker? Btw, attention seeker it's said by the public. If you think she's a attention seeker, than she will be. If you think she's not a attention seeker, than she's not. All i can said about Zoe, she's not very good in using words. The more she used, the more mistake arise. she unintentionlly SABO herself.

4. 8 Days photoshopped her cover and then say "Does Zoe Tay look like a 40 year old mother of 2 to you?"

It's "industry practice" used to perpetuate the illusion that Zoe is still youthful, smooth and wrinkle-free.

A lie which backfired when Zoe appeared all haggard and wrinkly on Ultimatum.

Yes, she might be haggard & wrinkly in the drama, but comes to photoshoot, dont you agree that she still look stunning even with photoshop? If she maintain well without crow feet & wrinkle, than what will happen next?

Zoe was never a pretty star, she just look good in any angle when comes to photo shoot.

Ask anyone in photography & magazines publisher, all photos have to be photoshopped, even for young new actor or actress.

Afteralll, it's just a tagline, chill man.

5. How do you know Fann Wong over maintain "for sure"?

You sound like one of those rabid Zoe Tay lackeys who love to criticise Fann Wong.

Aiyo, don't SABO Zoe Tay like that leh!

Both Zoe & Fann both appeared in Good Morning News to promote Ultimatum last year. When the host ask Zoe about her beauty tips, she straight away replied "You have ask the wrong person, i dont, it's Fann"

Fann honestly admitted that she did alot of preparation on her face, before & after for more than an hour or two.

Anyway, I'm not here to make enemy or picking fight. Just sharing my views. If you dont like Zoe Tay, then dont support her, it's just a forum on whether to support her movie or not. The truth is, Wrinkles & crow feet on her, that's a fact, cannot run away since she's 42 with 2 kids, i more coming out. It's a matter of whether you accept it or not.

kudos !!! I like ur replies to those questions. :-)

[Guest scheibner, sheavorg]

1. If that particular Garnier anti-aging range sucked, why is it still in the market today (Guardian, Watsons, NTUC and many other stores)? Why did they drop Zoe Tay as spokesperson?

2. Huang Biren is the real Queen, a versatile actress and a viewership guarantee, who left MCS of her own accord.

Zoe Tay's case is the opposite - with all her failures, she still doesn't want to step down graciously? Her time is over liao.

3. You admitted that Zoe's no longer popular.

That's why all those cheebye antics to seek attention.

4. 8 Days photoshopped her cover and then say "Does Zoe Tay look like a 40 year old mother of 2 to you?"

It's "industry practice" used to perpetuate the illusion that Zoe is still youthful, smooth and wrinkle-free.

A lie which backfired when Zoe appeared all haggard and wrinkly on Ultimatum.

5. How do you know Fann Wong over maintain "for sure"?

You sound like one of those rabid Zoe Tay lackeys who love to criticise Fann Wong.

Aiyo, don't SABO Zoe Tay like that leh!

Answers:

1. The Garnier ad came out sometime in 2007.

Her severe wrinkles were exposed on high definition in 2009.

No one is saying she cannot look old.

But as a spokesperson for an anti-aging product, she cast doubt on the efficacy of the product.

2. Those Zoe Tay lackeys are trying to make her sound as good as Huang Biren.

People got 7 out of 10 dramas on the top viewership charts leh.

The so-called Queen leh? NONE.

Those lackeys should stop shifting the blame to MCS's policy of favouring newcomers.

They should ask themselves whether Zoe Tay has any more value to MCS.

Or is she always embarrassing MCS despite their best efforts to revive her status.

3. It's a sad day when the so-called Queen of Caldecott Hill has no new works to talk about, and is relegated to talking about her big breasts, breastfeeding, disciplining her child, Philip asking her to reduce her breast size, etc.

4. Those lackeys don't get it.

Zoe Tay was criticised not for her wrinkles or for looking old.

She was criticised for trying to pass off as a 34 year old character with those wrinkles.

8 Days was also criticised for photoshopping her cover to give people the illusion that she's still wrinkle-free and youthful.

5. It's not a crime to look old, is it?

Why do her lackeys initially keep on insisting she looks young and tried all ways and means to prove that she still looks young?

And who asked for all this Photoshop nonsense to prove that she's still "young"?

Questions unanswered for a long long time to come!

[briax]

Another thread to show that how low tolerance level some BWers have for others. I wonder where this bitchiness comes from, perhaps it is a reflection of how one cannot accept himself.

[Guest collec commysta]

Another thread to show that how low tolerance level some BWers have for others. I wonder where this bitchiness comes from, perhaps it is a reflection of how one cannot accept himself.

Your opinion is in the minority.

Singaporeans have by and large written Zoe Tay off as a has been actress without any achievements or substance to justify that huge crown on her head.

No one is bitching about her, merely pointing out facts.

It's a fact that she has wrinkles.

It's a fact that her lackeys went Photoshopping her mag covers to prove she's still young.

It's a fact that her wrinkles were exposed on High Definition Ultimatum.

Which fact do you want to dispute?

[Guest Simon]

HAHA I thought the question was quite simple: Whether I'll watch Love Cuts or not..

I think I will.. The trailer was amazing, focusing on straightforward yet raw and natural emotions most people would really feel..

and I think this supposed 'overused' storyline still appeals to me because it has the propensity to touch hearts more easily..

Hehe, given so many people saying that Singaporeans tend to accept everything at only surface level hahahaha..

So I think this movie has the potential to be quite a nice one.. I'm taking my chances and am going to watch it!

And I must congratulate Zoe Tay because she's still going strong in the media scene!

[Guest Simone]

I'd rather watch something more critically acclaimed and artistic, like Boo Junfeng's Sandcastle.

If I wanted to watch a sappy manipulative tearjerker with a done-to-death plot and uninspiring storyline, I'd rather tune to that Taiwanese soap opera 爱, and no need to pay somemore. LOL

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Philip asks Zoe to go for boob reduction operation

He probably said she should tuck, lift those low hanging babies ... :thumb:

[Guest LOL]

He probably said she should tuck, lift those low hanging babies ... :thumb:

LOL. She got nothing better to talk about except her breasts?

[Guest Sandy L]

Zoe was never a pretty star, she just look good in any angle when comes to photo shoot.

Does she look good with the camera pointing up her skirt??

[briax]

I TOTALLY agreed with you that my opinion is in the minority when I said people can do an online discussion without bitching and using labels on others who have a different view. So much about wanting acceptance from others when you cannot tolerate people with different opinions. Perhaps some of us have engineered our minds to think that the loud minority represents the silent majority and simply do no understand the rationale of "Agreeing to disagree".

Your opinion is in the minority.

Singaporeans have by and large written Zoe Tay off as a has been actress without any achievements or substance to justify that huge crown on her head.

No one is bitching about her, merely pointing out facts.

It's a fact that she has wrinkles.

It's a fact that her lackeys went Photoshopping her mag covers to prove she's still young.

It's a fact that her wrinkles were exposed on High Definition Ultimatum.

Which fact do you want to dispute?

[Guest janoor Rurgers]

I TOTALLY agreed with you that my opinion is in the minority when I said people can do an online discussion without bitching and using labels on others who have a different view. So much about wanting acceptance from others when you cannot tolerate people with different opinions. Perhaps some of us have engineered our minds to think that the loud minority represents the silent majority and simply do no understand the rationale of "Agreeing to disagree".

Obviously you can't tell the difference between a different opinion and an invalid opinion based on false belief, which can and should be demolished.

This we have done with FACTS, which you have not disputed.

So much for the noble high-falutin words about the loud minority and silent majority, when the reality couldn't be any more different.

The majority of Singaporeans have long written her off since 2005, as seen in various opinion polls, viewership rankings, popularity voting, Star Award nominations and general word of mouth.

Point really is, instead of using hollow titles like 'queen', 'ah jie' etc to paper over her deficiencies, why not acknowledge that the criticism is true and valid. Instead of making personal attacks on her critics, why not advise Zoe to stop all those attention antics and bikini shots?

It's not so much about agreeing to disagree. Rather, it's about getting the blind to smell the coffee, wake up to the truth and face some hard truths about their idol.