Covid Situation in SG discussion (compiled)

[Guest Wtf]

On 3/9/2022 at 11:15 AM, Guest Guest said:

 

Lockdown not only till December 2022, but until as and when the policymakers get a grip on the situation! 

yeah! Lockdown forever and bunkers for all! 
 

anyway no point in looking down only until December unless there is a magic spell happening then to get rid of covid?

 

so much better to lockdown forever for full safety - nothing else matters. 

[Guest Guest]

On 3/9/2022 at 11:18 AM, Guest Wtf said:

anyway no point in looking down only until December unless there is a magic spell happening then to get rid of covid?

 

How did SARS disappear? How did H1N1 disappear? Was there a "a magic spell happening then to get rid of" them? Unless you are saying that these are still lurking around? During all those previous pandemics, the strategies had always been to stay safe and do everything you can to save lives. It is only this pandemic that the government in Singapore actually support "endemic living" to open up everywhere and let the virus go loose to kill people. All our past lessons learnt has meant absolutely nothing to the current government now. This entire decision to go for endemic living is going to be the single biggest 一失足成千古恨 decision that the Singapore government can ever make. Even the billion dollars losses in Suzhou Industrial Park means nothing compared to all these 1000 over lives lost. 

[singalion]

 

 

MERS was more concentrated on Saudi Arabia and affected only 2600 people, while it spread to 26 countries.

SARS was easier contained due to the fever symptoms and it was detected early from travelling passengers or infected persons on temperature checks at entry points.

Covid-19 virus seems to be "sneakier" and due to the "asymptomatic" spread more difficult to contain or detect. With Covid-19 the ability to spread and durability to survive on surfaces and in the air seems also much higher than the other viruses. The issue with Covid-19 is that the fever starts much later compared to MERS and SARS, while during that longer "Incubation" time people can get infected and the temperature checks don't work to single out infected persons on earlier stage to avoid the spread. Transmissibility seems also much higher with Covid.

 

 

There are two good articles on the comparison:

 

https://journals.lww.com/jfmpc/Fulltext/2022/01000/SARS,_MERS_and_CoVID_19__An_overview_and.3.aspx

https://www.acko.com/health-insurance/difference-between-covid-19-sars-and-mers/

Transmission of MERS:

While the root cause of transmission from animals to humans is not confirmed, it has been found that dromedary camels are a major source of MERS. As for human to human transmission, it is found that it does not pass easily unless there is close contact with the infected person. Cases of persons infected by MERS outside the Middle East are those who have travelled from the Middle East to other countries.

Transmission of SARS:

The outbreak resulted in more than 8000 cases spread over 26 countries in 2003. The transmission was found to be from person to person and it occurred during the second week of illness. While the outbreak was severe in the health care settings, it was brought under control after the implementation of better practices of infection control.

Transmission of COVID-19:

The outbreak of COVID-19 spread rapidly across most continents even taking the lives of several people across geographies. COVID-19 spreads from a person who is infected with the virus. It can spread through droplets discharged from the mouth or nose when a person coughs or sneezes. This discharge lands on surfaces and objects. Touching these objects or surfaces can transmit the virus.

Comparison between COVID-19, SARS and MERS:

Category	COVID-19	SARS	MERS
Name of the Virus (Pathogen)	SARS-CoV-2	SARS-CoV	MERS-CoV
Symptoms	FeverDry CoughShortness of BreathFatigue	FeverDry CoughBody Aches and PainsMalaiseShortness of BreathHeadache	FeverDry CoughShortness of BreathDiarrhoeaNausea or Vomiting
Vaccination*	No Vaccine	No Vaccine	No Vaccine
Transmission	Droplets discharged through cough or sneeze.By touching infected objects or surfaces.	Droplets discharged through cough or sneeze.By touching infected objects or surfaces.	Droplets discharged through cough or sneeze.By touching infected objects or surfaces.
Treatment**	Supportive Medical Care	Supportive Medical Care	Supportive Medical Care
Mortality Rate	3% to 4%	About 11%	About 34%
Risk Groups	People aged 65 years and above.People of all ages with medical conditions.	People aged 65 years and above.People of all ages with medical conditions.	People aged 65 years and above.People of all ages with medical conditions.
Average Incubation Period	1 to 14 Days	4 to 5 Days	6 to 7 Days

* & ** At the end of March 2020, there was no vaccination or treatment.

 

 

The main difference points to the easier spread of Covid-19:

 

However, the novel coronavirus (COVID-19) spreads more easily and there are some differences in the symptoms between the three viruses.

Edited March 9, 2022 by singalion

[Guest Guest]

On 3/9/2022 at 11:18 AM, Guest Wtf said:

yeah! Lockdown forever and bunkers for all! 
 

anyway no point in looking down only until December unless there is a magic spell happening then to get rid of covid?

 

so much better to lockdown forever for full safety - nothing else matters. 

Thanks for finally agreeing with me

[singalion]

On 3/9/2022 at 11:18 AM, Guest Wtf said:

yeah! Lockdown forever and bunkers for all! 
 

anyway no point in looking down only until December unless there is a magic spell happening then to get rid of covid?

 

so much better to lockdown forever for full safety - nothing else matters. 

 

Do you think Temasek Foundation will distribute full body cover anti Covid 19 Hazmat suit and protection gear for all Singapore residents?

 

What helps a full lockdown if the aerosols still fly around everywhere into my home?

😂

[Guest Guest]

Is this true?

 

Omicron has peaked and subsiding

 

🤔

[firefight]

Just look at the weekly ratio and hope it stays under 1 for a long time (ie the number of cases isn't increasing unlimitedly)

[Guest Guest]

On 3/9/2022 at 7:15 PM, Guest Guest said:

Is this true?

 

Omicron has peaked and subsiding

 

🤔

 

I find this hypocritical: 

"Speaking in Parliament during the debate on his ministry's budget, Mr Ong said the ministry has "been doing whatever we can" to help healthcare workers, such as ensuring there is enough Personal Protective Equipment, giving them priority when vaccines arrived, and moving patients, "as many patients as possible" to facilities outside of hospitals.

 

Dr Janil Puthucheary, Senior Minister of State for Health, spoke of how GP clinics, as well as hospitals and healthcare workers, are still under pressure caused by the Omicron wave."

 

Who allowed this to become a wave in the first place? Last time people do their best to "flatten the curve". Now, it is peak after peak after peak. Even if it is subsiding, when will be the next?

[singalion]

The number like sex, up n down, but the numbers are not really sexy. haha

 

 

Singapore reports 17,051 new Covid-19 cases with 1,513 patients hospitalised

ST, 9 March 2022

SINGAPORE - Daily new Covid-19 infections in Singapore fell on Wednesday (March 9), with 17,051 new cases, compared with 22,201 infections on Tuesday.

But the number of people hospitalised rose to 1,513 on Wednesday, from 1,499 on Tuesday.

There were 50 patients in the intensive care unit on Wednesday, and 187 patients required oxygen supplementation.

 

There were 11 deaths reported on Wednesday, down from 15 on Tuesday.

 

 

 

First time they reported on the oxygen supplementation for the past 3 - 5 days...

They shifted the format a bit on Straits Times, but I moved it to be consistent with the previous reports...

 

If you can really see a decline as the Government says... will need to wait n see.

But for sure the deaths will increase the coming days when you look at increasing hospitalisations.

 

[singalion]

On 3/9/2022 at 7:24 PM, firefight said:

Just look at the weekly ratio and hope it stays under 1 for a long time (ie the number of cases isn't increasing unlimitedly)

 

From my bet: If the government doesn't relax the rules too early then it may go down, but if they do, it will face the same issues as in Europe or Australia ...

[singalion]

On 3/8/2022 at 6:31 PM, lonelyglobe said:

Because only when compare to the worst countries, then it make SG a "success" story in combating covid.

 

Good observation...

 

But Singapore has the advantage for more elderly having done the vaccinations compared to HK.

What I wonder is that booster still takes quite some time.

They should push the elderly to get the boosters asap.

 

Status of boostered is at 69%.

I did not find numbers on the age group of the boostered..

 

From the 1500 hospitalised about 1000 are in the age group 60+ (thereof 780 in the age group 70+)

 

The Government should visit the elderly who are not boostered and not wait for them to go to the vaccination centers.

In my view it is not pro active to wait for elderly people to get to these centers. Most of them having issues to walk etc etc.

 

 

[singalion]

16,165 new Covid-19 cases in Singapore with 1,450 patients in hospital

 

ST, 10 March 2022

SINGAPORE - Daily new Covid-19 infections and hospitalisations in Singapore fell on Thursday (March 10), with 16,165 new cases and 1,450 people hospitalised.

 

There were 36 patients in the intensive care unit and 188 required oxygen supplementation.

 

Six deaths were reported on Thursday, down from 11 on Wednesday.

 

 

[Guest guest]

Singapore to simplify Covid-19 rules from March 15, including allowing 5 household visitors at a time | The Straits Times

[sgmaven]

It is sad to see that the government is still pushing through the relaxation of safe-distancing measures, while the healthcare system is still very much overwhelmed.

[Guest guest]

On 3/11/2022 at 10:26 PM, sgmaven said:

It is sad to see that the government is still pushing through the relaxation of safe-distancing measures, while the healthcare system is still very much overwhelmed.

Thought govt said something that the peak is over and healthcare system needs some more time to get over the overwhelming period?

[singalion]

 

S'pore reports 15,345 new Covid-19 cases with 1,396 patients in hospital

ST, 10 March 2022

 

SINGAPORE - Daily new Covid-19 infections and hospitalisations in Singapore fell on Friday (March 11), with 15,345 new cases and 1,396 people hospitalised.

 

There were 16,165 infections and 1,450 people hospitalised on Thursday.

 

There were 39 patients in the intensive care unit and 170 required oxygen supplementation.

Thirteen deaths were reported on Friday, up from six on Thursday.

 

 

[sgmaven]

On 3/11/2022 at 10:31 PM, Guest guest said:

Thought govt said something that the peak is over and healthcare system needs some more time to get over the overwhelming period?

Have you personally seen what is happening in the wards?

[jlone]

https://news.google.com/articles/CBMiYmh0dHBzOi8vd3d3LmNoYW5uZWxuZXdzYXNpYS5jb20vY29tbWVudGFyeS9taWxkLWNvdmlkLTE5LWJyYWluLXNocmluay1ncmV5LW1hdHRlci1yZXNlYXJjaC0yNTU3Njcx0gEA?hl=en-SG&gl=SG&ceid=SG%3Aen

[Guest Guest]

Looking at way minister said, does it mean that it will be "game over" very soon (--> everything will be back to normal)?

 

[Guest Guest]

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/covid-cases-singapore-omicron-subvariant-ong-ye-kung-122647993.html

 

90% of COVID daily cases in Singapore of BA.2 Omicron subvariant: Ong Ye Kung

 

 

 

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/17/health/ba-2-covid-severity/index.html

 

As BA.2 subvariant of Omicron rises, lab studies point to signs of severity

 

New lab experiments from Japan show that BA.2 may have features that make it as capable of causing serious illness as older variants of Covid-19, including Delta.

[sgmaven]

On 3/12/2022 at 6:05 PM, Guest Guest said:

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/covid-cases-singapore-omicron-subvariant-ong-ye-kung-122647993.html

 

90% of COVID daily cases in Singapore of BA.2 Omicron subvariant: Ong Ye Kung

Considering that most COVID cases are tested using ART, with no further genomic analysis, how does MOH or the minister come to the conclusion that 90% of daily cases is BA.2?

[Guest Guest]

On 3/12/2022 at 6:30 PM, sgmaven said:

Considering that most COVID cases are tested using ART, with no further genomic analysis, how does MOH or the minister come to the conclusion that 90% of daily cases is BA.2?

 

... maybe via random sampling with those hospitalized cases? 

[lonelyglobe]

On 3/12/2022 at 2:24 PM, Guest Guest said:

Looking at way minister said, does it mean that it will be "game over" very soon (--> everything will be back to normal)?

 

Dont have too high hope,  i would say "tan ku ku" ha...... 

[lonelyglobe]

On 3/12/2022 at 6:30 PM, sgmaven said:

Considering that most COVID cases are tested using ART, with no further genomic analysis, how does MOH or the minister come to the conclusion that 90% of daily cases is BA.2?

Of course,  is from a million dollar fortune teller,  so must be quite "chun".

[jlone]

On 3/12/2022 at 8:42 PM, lonelyglobe said:

Of course,  is from a million dollar fortune teller,  so must be quite "chun".

You mean the fortune teller with full of craps ?

[sgmaven]

On 3/12/2022 at 7:15 PM, Guest Guest said:

 

... maybe via random sampling with those hospitalized cases? 

If you know statistics and sampling theory well enough, you would know that sampling hospitalised cases will not provide you any indication of what it is like in the community. Remember that those in hospital are probably in a bad enough condition to warrant being warded (especially at this juncture with the overloaded healthcare system). There are many in the community who may be carriers, and show little or no symptoms, or they may not even bother to test themselves.

[Guest guest]

On 3/12/2022 at 6:30 PM, sgmaven said:

Considering that most COVID cases are tested using ART, with no further genomic analysis, how does MOH or the minister come to the conclusion that 90% of daily cases is BA.2?

If they want to pain a good picture and open up, they would say what they want to say to justify the situation.

[Guest Guest]

On 3/12/2022 at 2:24 PM, Guest Guest said:

Looking at way minister said, does it mean that it will be "game over" very soon (--> everything will be back to normal)?

 

 

What is "normal" to people who value human lives, is a different definition to those who couldn't care if other people dies.

[singalion]

12,632 new Covid-19 infections in S'pore, 1,375 patients in hospital

Published

12 Mar 2022, 10:32 pm SGT

 

SINGAPORE - Daily new Covid-19 infections and hospitalisations in Singapore fell again, with 12,632 new cases and 1,375 people in hospital on Saturday (March 12), said the Ministry of Health (MOH) in its nightly update.

There were 37 patients in the intensive care unit and 160 required oxygen supplementation.

 

Ten deaths were reported on Saturday, down from 13 on Friday.

 

[dexter9898]

On 3/12/2022 at 8:42 PM, lonelyglobe said:

Of course,  is from a million dollar fortune teller,  so must be quite "chun".

Actually quite zhun....based on last two GE in Singapore where the accuracy is quite high (+/-5%) with just 100 ballots. 😁

https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/ge2020-explainer-what-are-sample-counts-and-how-they-are-generated

[Kimochi]

Deltacron .

 

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20220311/new-covid-variant-deltacron

[sgmaven]

On 3/13/2022 at 2:18 PM, dexter9898 said:

Actually quite zhun....based on last two GE in Singapore where the accuracy is quite high (+/-5%) with just 100 ballots. 😁

https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/ge2020-explainer-what-are-sample-counts-and-how-they-are-generated

You are obviously oblivious on how sampling works. If you sample from a population you are trying to study and make conclusions on, well and good. Extrapolating the infections in Singapore, only by sampling those in hospital will not give the same kind of accuracy.

[dexter9898]

I think we have enough positive PCR tests to sample every day (at least 1k a day) and I believe not all of them are hospitalised. We don't have enough beds in hospitals for 1000 new patients every day.

 

Edited March 13, 2022 by dexter9898

[Guest Guest]

On 3/13/2022 at 10:50 PM, dexter9898 said:

I think we have enough positive PCR tests to sample every day (at least 1k a day) and I believe not all of them are hospitalised. We don't have enough beds in hospitals for 1000 new patients every day.

 

 

 

Singapore has been registering 13k to 25k cases on a daily basis for the past few weeks. And yet, the country managed to register 11kto 15k average daily number of PCR swaps? This seems to imply that all the COVID+ cases were PCR swapped, when in fact the PCR swaps include those Changi airport passengers who were tested negative, and those who needed repeated swaps too.

 

So again, it goes back to the question: what about those self-tested ART+ cases? Were they PCR swapped as well? How did the Minister know that 90% of the population is having the BA.2 Omicron strain? Maybe the Deltacron strain or some other more lethal variant is already making its way throughout the non-PCR swapped population, waiting to increase the death count? 

 

No wonder the USA says Singapore does not have a handle of its situation. 

[Guest Fuck covid]

On 3/14/2022 at 8:53 AM, Guest Guest said:

 

 

Singapore has been registering 13k to 25k cases on a daily basis for the past few weeks. And yet, the country managed to register 11kto 15k average daily number of PCR swaps? This seems to imply that all the COVID+ cases were PCR swapped, when in fact the PCR swaps include those Changi airport passengers who were tested negative, and those who needed repeated swaps too.

 

So again, it goes back to the question: what about those self-tested ART+ cases? Were they PCR swapped as well? How did the Minister know that 90% of the population is having the BA.2 Omicron strain? Maybe the Deltacron strain or some other more lethal variant is already making its way throughout the non-PCR swapped population, waiting to increase the death count? 

 

No wonder the USA says Singapore does not have a handle of its situation. 

Don't think too much and stress yourself out.  It's time to move on from covid and live your life.

[singalion]

Data for today not yet published...

 

Daily Covid-19 infections in S'pore drop below 10,000 for first time in a month

PUBLISHED 13 MAR 2022

 

SINGAPORE - The total number of daily Covid-19 cases dipped below 10,000 for the first time in about a month, with 9,701 total cases reported on Sunday (March 13).

There were also 1,348 hospitalisations on Sunday, according to the Ministry of Health's (MOH) daily update.

 

Six deaths were reported on Sunday, down from 10 on Saturday.

 

[Guest GUEST]

On 3/14/2022 at 10:25 PM, Guest Fuck covid said:

Don't think too much and stress yourself out.  It's time to move on from covid and live your life.

Agreed, thinking too much would become stressing oneself out. Even nothing happen also become something happened.

[sgmaven]

On 3/13/2022 at 10:50 PM, dexter9898 said:

I think we have enough positive PCR tests to sample every day (at least 1k a day) and I believe not all of them are hospitalised. We don't have enough beds in hospitals for 1000 new patients every day.

 

Again, we do not even know who gets access to those PCR swabs. If the majority of them are merely doing PCR for traveling overseas, for example, then surely this is not going to be a representative sample of what is happening in the community in Singapore (same as why sampling those in hospitals only will give spurious results).

[singalion]

Have we hit the peak? Mostly the proper numbers are published on Tuesdays ... I mean Monday numbers seemed to be always lower while Tuesday will be higher due to "slow" reporting.

 

My apologies for data belated, but recently the case numbers come at totally different timings. (Sun was 9pm, yesterday was 10.46pm...)

 

 

S'pore's new Covid-19 cases continue to fall below 10,000; weekly infection rate lowest since Jan 1

 

Published 14 Mar 2022, 10:46 pm

 

SINGAPORE - The number of daily Covid-19 cases continued to fall below 10,000 for the second time in about a month, with 9,042 total cases reported on Monday (March 14).

There were also 1,310 hospitalisations as at noon on Monday.

There were also 37 patients in the intensive care unit, and 171 who needed oxygen supplementation.

 

There were eight deaths on Monday, up from six on Sunday.

 

 

 

[Guest Guest]

 

On 3/14/2022 at 10:25 PM, Guest Fuck covid said:

Don't think too much and stress yourself out.  It's time to move on from covid and live your life.

 

LOL! How typical! Telling Singaporeans not to think, just "move on" and let others be in charge of your life and your own destiny... just like the way how Pipe Piper finally led all the children into the river of death?? Sure, 61% of Singaporeans asked for this. 

[Guest Fuck covid]

On 3/15/2022 at 2:49 PM, Guest Guest said:

 

 

LOL! How typical! Telling Singaporeans not to think, just "move on" and let others be in charge of your life and your own destiny... just like the way how Pipe Piper finally led all the children into the river of death?? Sure, 61% of Singaporeans asked for this. 

You can keep stressing yourself out, you don't have anything better to do.

[Guest Fuck covid]

On 3/15/2022 at 2:49 PM, Guest Guest said:

 

 

LOL! How typical! Telling Singaporeans not to think, just "move on" and let others be in charge of your life and your own destiny... just like the way how Pipe Piper finally led all the children into the river of death?? Sure, 61% of Singaporeans asked for this. 

Since you love lockdowns so much, your beloved country has just started playing with lockdowns again .. please move there if you easing of restrictions make you uncomfortable
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/china-reports-sharp-rise-in-covid-19-cases

[singalion]

 

Covid-19 cases in S'pore back above 10,000, weekly infection rate lowest since Dec 30

PUBLISHED 15 MAR 2022

SINGAPORE - Daily Covid-19 cases in Singapore climbed back above 10,000 on Tuesday (March 15), with 15,851 new cases reported by the Ministry of Health.

 

There were also 1,311 hospitalisations as at noon on Tuesday. This is up from Monday's figure of 9,042 infections and 1,310 hospitalisations.

Six deaths were also announced on Tuesday, down from eight on Monday.

[Guest Guest]

On 3/15/2022 at 9:11 PM, Guest Fuck covid said:

You can keep stressing yourself out, you don't have anything better to do.

 

On 3/15/2022 at 9:14 PM, Guest Fuck covid said:

Since you love lockdowns so much, your beloved country has just started playing with lockdowns again .. please move there if you easing of restrictions make you uncomfortable
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/china-reports-sharp-rise-in-covid-19-cases

 

Your beloved India is still waiting for you. please move there if COVID makes you comfortable

[Guest Wtf]

On 3/16/2022 at 12:18 AM, Guest Guest said:

 

 

Your beloved India is still waiting for you. please move there if COVID makes you comfortable

your posts are just so lame, little 🤡 

 

this is probably one of your weakest ones, do try harder,

[Guest Guest]

On 3/16/2022 at 6:56 AM, Guest Wtf said:

your posts are just so lame, little 🤡 

 

this is probably one of your weakest ones, do try harder,

 

Only retards like you would expect any good replies to posts from you and Guest kenna-fucked-by-COVID. Try harder next time if you want better responses, because this is actually more than what retards like you deserve already.

 

By the way, is your Down Syndrome a hereditary condition, or did COVID eat your brains away as one of the long-COVID syndromes?

[Guest Wtf]

On 3/16/2022 at 10:11 AM, Guest Guest said:

 

Only retards like you would expect any good replies to posts from you and Guest kenna-fucked-by-COVID. Try harder next time if you want better responses, because this is actually more than what retards like you deserve already.

 

By the way, is your Down Syndrome a hereditary condition, or did COVID eat your brains away as one of the long-COVID syndromes?

Troll 🤡 is circling the drain… 😘 

[Guest Guest]

On 3/16/2022 at 10:16 AM, Guest Wtf said:

Troll 🤡 is circling the drain… 😘 

 

Lol. To provide some false pretence of intellectual capability, the retard just described himself to be "the drain". How appropriate! Hey, that came from he himself, and nobody else! 

[Guest Wtf]

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/hospitals-still-under-pressure-but-covid-19-measures-can-be-eased-without-serious-impact-experts

[Guest Wtf]

On 3/16/2022 at 11:43 AM, Guest Guest said:

 

Lol. To provide some false pretence of intellectual capability, the retard just described himself to be "the drain". How appropriate! Hey, that came from he himself, and nobody else! 

COME ON! You are way off your game today, these ‘I know you are but what am I’ answers of yours are not worth anyones time, including your own.
 

If you are going to be a troll 🤡, please commit and put a bit of effort in, so we can at least be amused by the horrifying insights into your ‘thought’ processes.
 

Otherwise, it is all just too lame for words.