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It is bad enough for Singaporeans to pay for the vaccination of those here on Long Term Pass. But now, those on short term passes including "elderly parents who came to visit their children", "others are here to undergo training", and even those who are "unable to return home" are also getting the jab becasue they are all "part of the Singapore population" ???

 

Who is going to fork the bills again next time? The vaccines don't come free. Are we going to go for another 30% hike to our Medisave premiums? This country is really becoming less and less for Singaporeans, and  more and more for foreigners now. So much for whatever National Day we are having now. It's meaningless.

 

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/ongyekung/photos/a.920603904620879/4839214766093087/?type=3

 

"Many are elderly parents who came to visit their children who have made Singapore their home. Others are foreign spouses who married Singaporeans but yet to get long-term passes. Some others are here to undergo training.

These are some of the short-term pass holders in Singapore. Many are actually living here but yet to formalise their long term stay. Others, due to travel restrictions, are unable to return home.

They too are part of the Singapore population and should be protected. It will help make Singapore more resilient against COVID-19.

They will be receiving SMSs, to make their appointments at our vaccination centres."

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On 8/19/2021 at 1:17 PM, Guest Guest said:

It is bad enough for Singaporeans to pay for the vaccination of those here on Long Term Pass. But now, those on short term passes including "elderly parents who came to visit their children", "others are here to undergo training", and even those who are "unable to return home" are also getting the jab because they are all "part of the Singapore population" ???

 

 

Public health is not a zero-sum game. Letting someone else get the vaccine doesn't mean you won't be entitled to one. As it is, the vaccination drive had prioritised Singaporeans over EP and WP holders. 

 

And do you think this virus cares about nationality or borders. The focus is to have everyone vaccinated so that our more vulnerable ie babies or young kids as well as immunocompromised people are protected via herd immunity. 

 

Btw there has never been a discussion about the cost of handling this covid pandemic. I for one am happy our taxes are going towards protecting the people in this island, rather than fighting and losing some war in a far away land. 

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On 8/19/2021 at 1:17 PM, Guest Guest said:

It is bad enough for Singaporeans to pay for the vaccination of those here on Long Term Pass. But now, those on short term passes including "elderly parents who came to visit their children", "others are here to undergo training", and even those who are "unable to return home" are also getting the jab becasue they are all "part of the Singapore population" ???

 

Who is going to fork the bills again next time? The vaccines don't come free. Are we going to go for another 30% hike to our Medisave premiums? This country is really becoming less and less for Singaporeans, and  more and more for foreigners now. So much for whatever National Day we are having now. It's meaningless.

 

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/ongyekung/photos/a.920603904620879/4839214766093087/?type=3

 

"Many are elderly parents who came to visit their children who have made Singapore their home. Others are foreign spouses who married Singaporeans but yet to get long-term passes. Some others are here to undergo training.

These are some of the short-term pass holders in Singapore. Many are actually living here but yet to formalise their long term stay. Others, due to travel restrictions, are unable to return home.

They too are part of the Singapore population and should be protected. It will help make Singapore more resilient against COVID-19.

They will be receiving SMSs, to make their appointments at our vaccination centres."


you are aware that long term pass holders like those on EP’s pay tax here, right? 

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On 8/19/2021 at 2:44 PM, Guest Unaware said:


you are aware that long term pass holders like those on EP’s pay tax here, right? 

 

You are aware that LTP holders like those on EP do not pay CPF right? And short term pass holders like those KTV hostesses may not even pay taxes as freelancers at all. 

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On 8/19/2021 at 1:36 PM, TopChinese said:

 

Public health is not a zero-sum game. Letting someone else get the vaccine doesn't mean you won't be entitled to one. As it is, the vaccination drive had prioritised Singaporeans over EP and WP holders. 

 

And do you think this virus cares about nationality or borders. The focus is to have everyone vaccinated so that our more vulnerable ie babies or young kids as well as immunocompromised people are protected via herd immunity. 

 

Btw there has never been a discussion about the cost of handling this covid pandemic. I for one am happy our taxes are going towards protecting the people in this island, rather than fighting and losing some war in a far away land. 

 

 

Money spent is a zero-sum game. Get the foreigners to pay for it themselves. 

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On 8/19/2021 at 5:16 PM, Guest Guest said:

 

You are aware that LTP holders like those on EP do not pay CPF right? And short term pass holders like those KTV hostesses may not even pay taxes as freelancers at all. 


where do you get the idea that cpf is paying for vaccinations of foreigners? 

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On 8/19/2021 at 6:18 PM, Guest Unaware said:


where do you get the idea that cpf is paying for vaccinations of foreigners? 

 

Where do you get the idea that money to buy the vaccine grew on trees? You think money put into  CPF and the money you paid as taxes has a different color to tell the difference? Dumb is as what dumb can be. 

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On 8/19/2021 at 7:58 PM, leo yok loo said:

 Long term pass holders like EP,SP and WP get free vaccines i can understand because they pay tax. But short term pass holders (all those girl frenz) getting free vaccines???

I dont understand the logic.

Virus dont care about nationality but policy should.

Short term pass holders also can get free vaccine? Looks like there are many stocks laying around which needs to be clear, if not going to expire soon? So many locals don't want to go for jab, so now they offer to short term pass holders?

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On 8/19/2021 at 9:28 PM, Nightingale said:

Sg  Lifts  Border  Restrictions  for  Fully  Vaccinated  Travellers  from  Germany, Brunei  &  All  Travellers  from  Hong Kong,  Macau

https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/covid-19-singapore-lifts-border-restrictions-fully-vaccinated-travellers-germany-brunei

Planning a trip to Frankfurt next month to see my partner. 

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On 8/19/2021 at 2:44 PM, Guest Unaware said:


you are aware that long term pass holders like those on EP’s pay tax here, right? 

 

Are you aware that elderly parents who came to visit their children do not need to pay taxes? Are you aware those unemployed foreign spouses who married Singaporeans do not need to pay taxes. Are you aware some of those others who are here to undergo training may not need to pay taxes? And yet they are getting vaccinated? Why? 

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Number of SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant cases worldwide as of August 19, 2021, by country or territory

tablecolumn chart
 
Characteristic Number of cases
United Kingdom 273,194
USA 101,280
Denmark 26,778
India 19,324
France 17,664
Italy 9,568
Germany 9,456
Netherlands 8,459
Spain 7,245
Switzerland 6,656
Canada 6,331
Sweden 6,290
Turkey 5,527
Belgium 5,336
Ireland 4,901
Portugal 4,714
Australia 4,439
South Africa 3,564
Mexico 3,422
Singapore 2,913

 

64 per cent of people in Germany have had at least one dose and 58 per cent are fully vaccinated. 

 

I dont see why Germany can be considered as low risk. Anyway,  for those who cant wait to get on the flight, be careful. I believe a lot of places in Europe are already mask free and if u decided to wear a mask,  then will became a potential target for those anti-asian. 

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On 8/20/2021 at 1:43 AM, Guest Guest said:

 

Are you aware that elderly parents who came to visit their children do not need to pay taxes? Are you aware those unemployed foreign spouses who married Singaporeans do not need to pay taxes. Are you aware some of those others who are here to undergo training may not need to pay taxes? And yet they are getting vaccinated? Why? 


why not?
 

 

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On 8/20/2021 at 12:34 PM, lonelyglobe said:

Number of SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant cases worldwide as of August 19, 2021, by country or territory

tablecolumn chart
 
Characteristic Number of cases
United Kingdom 273,194
USA 101,280
Denmark 26,778
India 19,324
France 17,664
Italy 9,568
Germany 9,456
Netherlands 8,459
Spain 7,245
Switzerland 6,656
Canada 6,331
Sweden 6,290
Turkey 5,527
Belgium 5,336
Ireland 4,901
Portugal 4,714
Australia 4,439
South Africa 3,564
Mexico 3,422
Singapore 2,913

 

64 per cent of people in Germany have had at least one dose and 58 per cent are fully vaccinated. 

 

I dont see why Germany can be considered as low risk. Anyway,  for those who cant wait to get on the flight, be careful. I believe a lot of places in Europe are already mask free and if u decided to wear a mask,  then will became a potential target for those anti-asian. 

They are expecting to have more cases once SG is opened. We will wait n see what will be the outcome. Maybe lambda varient will be brought in also. Do they really care for their own citizens ?

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On 8/19/2021 at 8:40 PM, Escape Room said:

Planning a trip to Frankfurt next month to see my partner. 

 

Any recommendation for gay related itinerary in Germany?

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On 8/20/2021 at 10:58 PM, Zealouslogue said:

10th death this month? Haiz

Seems like before vaccination rate go up, not so frequent death happen, but how come recently like suddenly death so often?

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On 8/20/2021 at 11:00 PM, Guest guest said:

Seems like before vaccination rate go up, not so frequent death happen, but how come recently like suddenly death so often?

Those were unvaccinated or advanced in age. They also have a lot of illnesses. Can't do anything about it lah. 

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On 8/19/2021 at 9:37 PM, Guest guest said:

Short term pass holders also can get free vaccine? Looks like there are many stocks laying around which needs to be clear, if not going to expire soon? So many locals don't want to go for jab, so now they offer to short term pass holders?

Now not only short term pass holder.

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/singapore-contributes-100000-doses-of-covid-19-vaccine-to-brunei

 

I don't understand why brunei, a rich country and the best country in combating covid in SEA. If is Laos,  Cambodia, can still understand, even Malaysia or indonesia but then brunei? Serious? 

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On 8/21/2021 at 9:54 PM, lonelyglobe said:

Now not only short term pass holder.

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/singapore-contributes-100000-doses-of-covid-19-vaccine-to-brunei

 

I don't understand why brunei, a rich country and the best country in combating covid in SEA. If is Laos,  Cambodia, can still understand, even Malaysia or indonesia but then brunei? Serious? 

Perhaps "Contributes". ?? 🤔

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On 8/21/2021 at 9:54 PM, lonelyglobe said:

Now not only short term pass holder.

 

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/singapore-contributes-100000-doses-of-covid-19-vaccine-to-brunei

 

I don't understand why brunei, a rich country and the best country in combating covid in SEA. If is Laos,  Cambodia, can still understand, even Malaysia or indonesia but then brunei? Serious? 

U dun know meh, must make friend with rich countries or powerful countries, who cares if the country is poor n doesn't benefit them at all.

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On 8/20/2021 at 10:58 PM, Zealouslogue said:

10th death this month? Haiz

 

20% of covid deaths throughout singapore covid history and all happening in one single month alone, and they still want to open up the borders to let the foreigners in? I guess this is the present the government is giving to the people for the national day? Foreign trash and more covid deaths? 

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On 8/22/2021 at 9:33 AM, Guest Guest said:

 

20% of covid deaths throughout singapore covid history and all happening in one single month alone, and they still want to open up the borders to let the foreigners in? I guess this is the present the government is giving to the people for the national day? Foreign trash and more covid deaths? 

I do not understand what is the reason why suddenly all covid death happened in a single month? This delta variant has been in sg since Apr/May, but why the death only now suddenly shoot up?

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On 8/22/2021 at 1:03 PM, jlone said:

I think they are happy to see more deaths becos old people are a burden to them !

Lucky no death from the younger group esp those who have not vaccinated.

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On 8/22/2021 at 10:36 AM, Guest guest said:

I do not understand what is the reason why suddenly all covid death happened in a single month? This delta variant has been in sg since Apr/May, but why the death only now suddenly shoot up?

 

You dunno meh? Someone's jinx power needs to warm up first before the full impact can be shown in the country and the ministry involved mah.... You know whose jinx power or not? 

 

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On 8/22/2021 at 1:25 PM, Guest guest said:

Lucky no death from the younger group esp those who have not vaccinated.

 

 

Don't say too fast... You wait ... you just wait....

 

 

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On 8/22/2021 at 10:36 AM, Guest guest said:

I do not understand what is the reason why suddenly all covid death happened in a single month? This delta variant has been in sg since Apr/May, but why the death only now suddenly shoot up?

 

A large number of seniors got infected through the Jurong Port Fishery cluster which started in July. 

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On 8/23/2021 at 8:56 AM, Derren said:

 

A large number of seniors got infected through the Jurong Port Fishery cluster which started in July. 

If recent death could comes from those seniors got infected from the Jurong Port Fishery cluster, then can explain why suddenly so many death.

 

Today 59 cases comes from dormitory. Thought workers in dormitory all are fully vaccinated and also go through regular swab test and yet so many still can get infected?  

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On 8/23/2021 at 9:42 PM, jlone said:

Once they announced they want to open up, cases will somehow go up !

Guess cannot be avoided cases go up once open up. Those who are not vaccinated maybe need to worry a bit. Vaccinated already would not need to worry so much even open up.

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On 8/23/2021 at 9:39 PM, Guest guest said:

Today 59 cases comes from dormitory. Thought workers in dormitory all are fully vaccinated and also go through regular swab test and yet so many still can get infected?  

Vaccinated still can get infected especially with this delta variant,  recent research shown that effective rate for both Pfizer and Moderna have dropped to over 40% and 70% respectively. I believe most people including migrant workers got the Pfizer vaccine. 

 

They already mentioned SG will not focus on the number of infections but more on those who need to go in ICU. This means even if we have thousand of infection who are young will not pose much problems since they are unlikely to occupy the ICU.

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On 8/23/2021 at 11:59 PM, lonelyglobe said:

Vaccinated still can get infected especially with this delta variant,  recent research shown that effective rate for both Pfizer and Moderna have dropped to over 40% and 70% respectively. I believe most people including migrant workers got the Pfizer vaccine. 

 

They already mentioned SG will not focus on the number of infections but more on those who need to go in ICU. This means even if we have thousand of infection who are young will not pose much problems since they are unlikely to occupy the ICU.

So we should just start to treat COVID as a common flu (including delta + … variants) ah …? 😳

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If not letting unvaccinated people dine in air con restaurants is a means to protect them, then letting unvaccinated under 12 kids go to restaurants is protect or not protect them?🤔

 

Last time unvaccinated can go into air con restaurants to eat. Now they cannot. Why?  Is to protect them or make things inconvenient to them so they will vaccinate?  🤔

 

If vaccinated people are safer, then letting the unvaccinated go dine with a lot of vaccinated people is protecting them right? Then why they cannot go in to dine?🤔   If vaccinated people are more "dangerous", then letting the unvaccinated kids dine with them will be worse right?

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I heard interviewees said a few times on  news: they feel safer because the dining areas, cinemas etc are only for the vaccinated.

 

Are vaccinated "safer"? They too can spread the virus and what's worse, these people show mild or no symptoms.

 

Those unvaccinated, are they more easily infected? Or spreads virus more easily?

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On 8/24/2021 at 12:59 AM, Guest Guest said:

So we should just start to treat COVID as a common flu (including delta + … variants) ah …? 😳

Bingo...thats what they have been trying to do and that's why the HK travel bubble burst because HK knew SG is no longer safe with this "common flu" strategy.

 

On 8/24/2021 at 2:32 AM, Guest Guest said:

I heard interviewees said a few times on  news: they feel safer because the dining areas, cinemas etc are only for the vaccinated.

 

Are vaccinated "safer"? They too can spread the virus and what's worse, these people show mild or no symptoms.

 

Those unvaccinated, are they more easily infected? Or spreads virus more easily?

Don't trust too much on what you heard on local media as they are "aligned" with the government intention. Vaccinated definitely can get infected and even spread the virus without they themselves knowing. The key point still come down to not jamming up the ICU. 

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On 8/24/2021 at 2:13 AM, Guest guest said:

If not letting unvaccinated people dine in air con restaurants is a means to protect them, then letting unvaccinated under 12 kids go to restaurants is protect or not protect them?🤔

 

Last time unvaccinated can go into air con restaurants to eat. Now they cannot. Why?  Is to protect them or make things inconvenient to them so they will vaccinate?  🤔

 

If vaccinated people are safer, then letting the unvaccinated go dine with a lot of vaccinated people is protecting them right? Then why they cannot go in to dine?🤔   If vaccinated people are more "dangerous", then letting the unvaccinated kids dine with them will be worse right?

They need to implement different measures between vaccinated and unvaccinated, not to protect unvaccinated but to make things difficult for them, so that they will go vaccinate. Just yesterday they announced companies should implement different measures in workplace between vaccinated and unvaccinated employees, and ask those unvaccinated to go for ART test regularly and pay the testing fees themselves if they continue not to go for vaccine. 

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On 8/24/2021 at 4:04 AM, lonelyglobe said:

Bingo...thats what they have been trying to do and that's why the HK travel bubble burst because HK knew SG is no longer safe with this "common flu" strategy.

 

Don't trust too much on what you heard on local media as they are "aligned" with the government intention. Vaccinated definitely can get infected and even spread the virus without they themselves knowing. The key point still come down to not jamming up the ICU. 

Not wrong to say vaccinated and unvaccinated people also can get infected and also can spread the virus. But the difference between vaccinated and unvaccinated people is during when they are infected by the virus, vaccinated would not get seriously ill and lesser risk to be warded in hospital to get treated.

 

I have a colleague got infected with covid recently, and due to he is vaccinated, he did not have any symptom and did not feel unwell even his PCR result is positive. And he never go to hospital at all and was only quarantine in those community isolation facility and eventually allowed to go back home after found to have recovered. So if he did not get vaccinated, don't know what will happened?

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Somewhere something must be going wrong. SG recorded first covid death in Mar 2020 and for the next 16 months, a total of 37 death or average of 2.3 death per month but now in Aug and with 1 more week before the month end, already 15 death. That is a 552% increase in monthly death rate. Haven't open up already so jialat, open up 还得了.

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