Ukraine invasion by Russia Discussion and it's impact on Singapore and Asia? (compiled)

[Guest Wtf]

7 hours ago, 7heaven said:

You can save your pity for the millions of current and future Americans taxpayers who are led by Biden and Democrats who used their tax money to fund their pet projects that does nothing much to improve their lives. 

Are you lost or are you a moron or both?
 

Go back to posting your endless incoherent crap on the USA politics thread because I don’t see anything in this post about the Ukraine war.

 

Thanks and bye. 

[Sweetie Pie]

9 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

going back to Ukraine,  this country is receiving now a good number of Bradley tanks fighting vehicles,  very similar to tanks,  in anticipation to the M1 Abrams tanks promised.   Hopefully this will give the country sufficient advantage in its Spring offensive.

Spring, is the best time to smell roses and make love.  Why is America still sending weapons to kill more people while China is sending peace team instead?  

[Steve5380]

3 hours ago, Sweetie Pie said:

Spring, is the best time to smell roses and make love.  Why is America still sending weapons to kill more people while China is sending peace team instead?  

 

LOL!  China is exactly like a sweetie pie!

[Guest wtf]

6 hours ago, Guest Wtf said:

Are you lost or are you a moron or both?
 

Go back to posting your endless incoherent crap on the USA politics thread because I don’t see anything in this post about the Ukraine war.

 

Thanks and bye. 

Are you dense or are you dense?

 

Go back and stayed deluded about the endless crap policies Biden and his Democrats are dishing out to make the world a dangerous and divided place. 
 

No thanks and bye. 

[Steve5380]

On 4/28/2023 at 11:15 AM, Guest wtf said:

 

No thanks and bye. 

 

 

Thanks for leaving.  Bye!

[Guest No further Comment]

On 4/28/2023 at 8:22 AM, Steve5380 said:

 

But going back to Ukraine,  this country is receiving now a good number of Bradley tanks fighting vehicles,  very similar to tanks,

CIA reports claim that the funds allocated to support Ukraine were also used to pay for high-profile government officials' VERY EXPENSIVE private vehicles and possibly even mansions.  How much American tax money has Zelenskky diverted to his personal bank account, I wonder.   There was no denial from Ukraine despite such informations being leaked, since Americans are very Charitable towards Ukrainians. I have no complain in this regard too.

[Steve5380]

2 hours ago, Guest No further Comment said:

CIA reports claim that the funds allocated to support Ukraine were also used to pay for high-profile government officials' VERY EXPENSIVE private vehicles and possibly even mansions.  How much American tax money has Zelenskky diverted to his personal bank account, I wonder.   There was no denial from Ukraine despite such informations being leaked, since Americans are very Charitable towards Ukrainians. I have no complain in this regard too.

 

The Ukrainians are ethnically quite similar to the Russians.  Both have high tendencies to corruption.   We Americans are already resigned to have our tax dollars misused in many ways.  This is still better than our country being broke.

[Sweetie Pie]

49 minutes ago, Steve5380 said:

This is still better than our country being broke.

Your country broke already? 

[Steve5380]

1 hour ago, Sweetie Pie said:

Your country broke already? 

 

Not at all.  Even with all the aid to Ukraine,  our economy is strong and getting stronger.  Those opposed to our government keep busy lying about it,  saying that it is getting worse and declining due to... Biden.   In reality, we are much better off than Europe and many other areas in the world.

[singalion]

1 hour ago, Steve5380 said:

 In reality, we are much better off than Europe and many other areas

 

 

[Steve5380]

7 hours ago, singalion said:

 

 

 

This illusion may not be good for you.  Poor appearance and zero musicality.

 

Instead, compare what America and France pay to their retirees, and you will agree with me.   

[singalion]

 

Russia-Ukraine war live: 100,000 Russian troops killed or injured in eastern offensive failures

 

Tue 2 May 2023

Russia-Ukraine war: 100,000 Russian troops killed or injured in eastern offensive failures

 

More than 20,000 Russian soldiers have been killed and more than 80,000 injured in just five months of fighting in Ukraine, an acceleration in already heavy losses for Moscow, US intelligence officials estimate.

 

Most of the troops were killed in brutal trench warfare for the small eastern city of Bakhmut, which Russia has repeatedly claimed it was on the brink of capturing, White House national security council spokesperson John Kirby said when he revealed the new estimate on Monday.

 

“Russia’s attempt at an offensive in the Donbas, largely through Bakhmut, has failed … Russia has been unable to seize any really strategically significant territory,” Kirby said.

 

The losses are an acceleration in Russian casualties even from the bloody first days of the war, and overshadow some of the bloodiest allied battles of the second world war, Kirby added. That includes the Guadalcanal campaign, the first major Allied offensive against Japan, which also lasted five months.

 

 

Edited May 2, 2023 by singalion

[singalion]

 

Tue 2 May 2023

 

• Ukrainian counterattacks have ousted Russian forces from some positions in the besieged eastern city of Bakhmut, but the situation remains “quite difficult”, a top Ukrainian general has said. However, Col Gen Oleksandr Syrskyi, the commander of ground forces, added: “At the same time, in certain parts of the city, the enemy was counterattacked by our units and left some positions.” Syrskyi made the remarks while visiting frontline troops on Sunday, the military said.

 

• The head of the Wagner private militia renewed his appeal to Russia’s defence ministry to increase ammunition shipments to his fighters trying to seize Bakhmut. Yevgeny Prigozhin has frequently clashed with Moscow’s defence establishment over the conduct of Russia’s campaign in Ukraine and what he says is insufficient support being provided to his Wagner soldiers. In a video posted on his Telegram channel, Prigozhin said he needs at least 300 tonnes of artillery shells a day for the assault, Reuters reported.

 

[singalion]

 

 

Russia-Ukraine war live: Crimea navy oil depot fire

A summary of today's developments

• A huge fire in the Crimean port city of Sevastopol on Saturday has been put out after what was reported to be a Ukrainian drone strike on fuel tanks at a Russian navy depot. Video footage posted on social media showed a large waterside area on fire, with a column of black smoke rising from the burning fuel. Other images showed a huge pall of smoke hanging over the area. The fire was later extinguished, according to Moscow-installed governor Mikhail Razvozhaev.

• The death toll from Russia’s aerial attacks on cities across Ukraine early on Friday has risen to at least 25, including five children. Firefighters tackled a blaze at a residential apartment hit by a Russian missile in the central town of Uman and rescue workers clambered through a huge pile of smouldering rubble searching for survivors.

• South Korea’s president, Yoon Suk-yeol, has said it is necessary to ensure Russia’s invasion of Ukraine does not succeed and that Seoul is considering its options when it comes to providing lethal aid to Kyiv. Yoon said the Russian invasion was a violation of international law and the rights of Ukrainians.

[singalion]

Russia-Ukraine war at a glance: what we know on day 436 of the invasion

Fri 5 May 2023

• Yevgeny Prigozhin, the leader of Russia’s Wagner group mercenary force, said in a sudden and dramatic announcement on Friday that his forces would leave the Ukrainian city of Bakhmut that they have been trying to capture since last summer. Prigozhin said they would pull back on 10 May – ending their involvement in the longest and bloodiest battle of the war – because of heavy losses and inadequate ammunition supplies. He asked defence chiefs to insert regular army troops in their place.

• Earlier Prigozhin released a video showing him standing in a field of Russian corpses, personally blaming top defence chiefs for the losses suffered by his fighters in Ukraine. Prigozhin’s expletives were bleeped out in the video published by his press service, in which he yelled “We have a 70% shortage of ammunition. Shoigu! Gerasimov! Where is the ******* ammunition?”. The reference to defence minister Sergei Shoigu and chief of general staff Valery Gerasimov appeared to reignite the simmering feud between Prigozhin and the Russian establishment forces.

 

Ukraine war: surrounded by corpses, Wagner's Prigozhin blasts Russian defence minister in expletive-laden video

 

 

 

Russian forces in Ukraine are so degraded they cannot mount any significant offensive moves and are focused for now on consolidating control of occupied territory, the US intelligence chief said. Avril Haines said Putin’s strategy is likely to be to prolong the conflict until western support for Kyiv wanes.

 

 

 

 

[Steve5380]

2 minutes ago, singalion said:

3 minutes ago, singalion said:

 

Russian forces in Ukraine are so degraded they cannot mount any significant offensive moves and are focused for now on consolidating control of occupied territory, the US intelligence chief said. Avril Haines said Putin’s strategy is likely to be to prolong the conflict until western support for Kyiv wanes.

 

 

 

 

This makes sense.  Putin has probably given up on any victory in Ukraine.  Now everything is just to save his miserable skin.

 

And this is one reason why it is very important that Biden stays as the head of America.   He has been able to consolidate NATO and make it the strong force that Russia has to confront.  He has the good personality to bring people together.

 

Imagine the contrary...  that Trump returns as president!!!!   YUCK!  As he already said,  he would end the war in ONE DAY,  siding with Putin and forcing Ukraine to give up in defeat!

[7heaven]

Ukraine efforts to protect itself from Russia was sabotaged by Biden’s inability to prevent leak of top secret documents from US very own military.

 

Ukraine President Zelenskyy said the leak had tarnished the reputation of the White House and US under Biden. 
 

However, Zelenskyy cannot criticise Biden too much as Biden is the one using US taxpayers monies to fund Ukraine. 

 

———————

 

Zelenskyy was not warned of US secret documents leak: Report

 

 

WASHINGTON: Washington did not warn Kyiv about the top-secret documents leaked to internet chat rooms - containing sensitive information about Ukraine's war effort - before the news broke in the media last month, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy told the Washington Post.

 

The embarrassing security breach revealed US unease about a coming counteroffensive by Kyiv's forces against Russian troops as well as concerns about Ukrainian air defences.

 

"I did not receive information from the White House or the Pentagon beforehand," Zelenskyy told the newspaper in an interview in Kyiv on Monday (May 1).

 

"We did not have that information. I personally did not. It's definitely a bad story," he said, calling the situation "unprofitable".

 

Speaking on CNN, Pentagon Press Secretary Pat Ryder would not confirm or deny Zelenskyy's claim, saying only that Washington remains "committed to working very closely with Ukraine and our international allies to ensure that they have the security assistance they need to be able to defend their country."

…

 

"It is not beneficial to the reputation of the White House, and I believe it is not beneficial to the reputation of the United States," Zelenskyy told the Post.

 

The documents also contained information on Russian and Ukrainian troop casualties and equipment losses, details about NATO observation flights over the Black Sea, and accounts which point to American surveillance of close partner Ukraine.

 

"Anything that informs our enemy in advance in one way or another is definitely a minus for us," Zelenskyy told the Post, while refusing to confirm or deny the veracity of any of the exposed material.

 

According to the newspaper, Zelenskyy said he must prioritise the larger war effort over his personal feelings on the lack of communication by the United States, which has contributed billions of dollars in support since Russia's invasion in February 2022.

 

"I cannot risk our state," he told the newspaper.

 

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/world/ukraine-president-volodymyr-zelenskyy-not-warned-us-secret-docs-leak-pentagon-leak-3460751

 

[singalion]

Can someone teach this 7hopeless that US presidents have no means if military culprits release secret intelligence information online in a deliberate act violating military secrecy laws?

 

 

Also Zelenskyy didn't use the word "tarnished".  this is an invention by that 7hopeless. 

 

 

[7heaven]

Can someone educate Singalion that US presidents would be embarrassed to have their own military staff leak top secret information and even greater embarrassment not to have discovered the leak for months! 
 

Ukraine President Zelenskyy must have been shocked that Biden did not warn him about the leaks, and we can understand why because Biden and team did not even know about it. 🙄

[singalion]

Aha! This 7hopeless totally uncreative style of re-writing someone's own post and throwing it back to the forum in the same style that this Guest Guest troll does or same person usually does under his Guest Guest posting...

 

How boring...

 

Uncreativity is mostly associated with or a consequence of lack of wit and intelligence...

 

 

[D.0284]

7 hours ago, 7heaven said:

Can someone educate Singalion that US presidents would be embarrassed to have their own military staff leak top secret information and even greater embarrassment not to have discovered the leak for months! 
 

Ukraine President Zelenskyy must have been shocked that Biden did not warn him about the leaks, and we can understand why because Biden and team did not even know about it. 🙄

this tactic is not new, it was back dated to the 1500s. the US always has 2 sets of documents, both are guarded by the almost same level of security. one is real is the only one protected with additional manual access, while the other is a fake. the fake one is made so good, it seems real.

the fake one is created to be leaked. the information is flawed, therefore when china believe they gotten the technology on jet fighter which helped they created J10 and J20. they had a hard time solving some technical issues.

then of course there are f35 and warship sunk in accident. these are sensitive military info. it could be deliberated leaked footage and incident to convince those who stolen the technology that the one they stole is true.

If i am not wrong, on spec, many fighter jet is better than F35, F22 fighter jet, but in fact on operation these higher spec jet are unstable.

lets analysis the case when ms clinton accuse china of stealing technology from pentagon. she knows what she is saying. china popped out to deny everything. but china could have launch a more convincing attack and demand US an apology.

the US did not respond to China denial and the episode dies off. i believe US presented the evidence to China vis closed door and convince china to shut the hell up.

[D.0284]

there are many things which the media are not allowed to publish but it does not prevent the public to analyse from the series of event. anyone interested in the analysis of the MH370 incident?

[singalion]

1 hour ago, D.0284 said:

there are many things which the media are not allowed to publish but it does not prevent the public to analyse from the series of event. anyone interested in the analysis of the MH370 incident?

 

there used to be a MH370 thread here... can post there.

 

 

[7heaven]

Aha! This Singalion totally predictable tactic of making post-fillers when he is unable to refute how Ukraine efforts Ron protect itself from Russia was undermined by Biden’s inability to prevent leaks of top secret information from within US military. 

[singalion]

Nobody needs any tactic to uncover 7hopeless absurdities posted onto BW.

 

Once again you are just deluded and try to paint a certain picture here.... when things are simply coincidental.

 

Your credibility hit the lowest point already years back and nobody takes any of your posts for serious...

 

 

[7heaven]

Nobody needs to be slightly more intelligent than Singalion to uncover Singalion tactics of making post-fillers. 
 

Once again, you have shown yourself to be detached from reality on how Biden does not have any sound plans to resolve the Ukraine Russia war despite Biden having spent hundreds of billions of US taxpayers monies. 

[singalion]

1 hour ago, 7heaven said:

Nobody needs to be slightly more intelligent than Singalion to uncover Singalion tactics of making post-fillers. 
 

Once again, you have shown yourself to be detached from reality on how Biden does not have any sound plans to resolve the Ukraine Russia war despite Biden having spent hundreds of billions of US taxpayers monies. 

 

Just more claims and slogans with not one piece of substantiation...

[7heaven]

2 hours ago, singalion said:

 

Just more claims and slogans with not one piece of substantiation...

Just more post-fillers without any substance. 

[Steve5380]

Away from fights between members,  and back to Ukraine.

 

But not everything needs to be about war.  I learned that the Ukraine capital Kiev was the birthplace of one of the most extraordinary pianists,  Vladimir Horowitz.    The following video is a clear demonstration of this:

 

 

It is remarkable how many prestigious musicians were Ukrainians.   Must be the same set of genes that makes them such brave fighters too!   I am pleased that my country gives the needed support to this folk that really deserve it. 

[7heaven]

It is remarkable how many talented musicians came from Russia.
 

Take Tchaikovsky for example. Most of us would probably have came across Tchaikovsky’s famous pieces before but would not have known who was the composer of these pieces. 
 

If only Biden had diverted the hundreds of billions of dollars of US taxpayers to develop more US classical musicians or uplift the maths and science standards of Americans youths. 

 

 

 

[Steve5380]

57 minutes ago, 7heaven said:

It is remarkable how many talented musicians came from Russia.
 

Take Tchaikovsky for example. Most of us would probably have came across Tchaikovsky’s famous pieces before but would not have known who was the composer of these pieces. 
 

If only Biden had diverted the hundreds of billions of dollars of US taxpayers to develop more US classical musicians or uplift the maths and science standards of Americans youths. 

 

 

I like this video with a transcription of Tchaikovsky's march made by Kassia,  a good pianist who enjoys her anonymity in YouTube.

 

Ukraine was part of the Imperial Russia at the time of Tchaikovsky, and Kiev was an important cultural center.  Ukraine and Russia made one musical talent.

 

If Biden would divert billions of dollars to uplift the education of American youths,  then the Republicans would really cut off his head.  They are coming near of this already with their charges to the Democrat's "woke",  and improving education is pure woke, ha ha!

[Guest Lost again]

8 hours ago, 7heaven said:

It is remarkable how many talented musicians came from Russia.
 

Take Tchaikovsky for example. Most of us would probably have came across Tchaikovsky’s famous pieces before but would not have known who was the composer of these pieces. 
 

If only Biden had diverted the hundreds of billions of dollars of US taxpayers to develop more US classical musicians or uplift the maths and science standards of Americans youths. 

 

 

 

seems you got lost again as you are once again posting about America in the Ukraine war thread.

 

please fuck off 

[singalion]

Can I remind posters here another time that the topic is Ukraine and not about the US president. 

 

Any policy critic on the US or its government please solely post into the US thread and not here. 

 

Please do not infiltrate other threads with topics that do not belong here.

 

 

Edited May 7, 2023 by singalion

[7heaven]

8 hours ago, Steve5380 said:

 

I like this video with a transcription of Tchaikovsky's march made by Kassia,  a good pianist who enjoys her anonymity in YouTube.

 

Ukraine was part of the Imperial Russia at the time of Tchaikovsky, and Kiev was an important cultural center.  Ukraine and Russia made one musical talent.

 

If Biden would divert billions of dollars to uplift the education of American youths,  then the Republicans would really cut off his head.  They are coming near of this already with their charges to the Democrat's "woke",  and improving education is pure woke, ha ha!

There was no Ukraine during Tchaikovsky’s time. He lived through the Russian Empire, and produced great master pieces. He was a talented and world renowned musician from the Russian Empire. 

Biden and his fellow Democrats are themselves wastefully squandering taxpayer monies on woke agendas, funding endless foreign war instead of channeling these monies to improve the maths and science skills of American youths. 

[Guest Lost again]

40 minutes ago, 7heaven said:

There was no Ukraine during Tchaikovsky’s time. He lived through the Russian Empire, and produced great master pieces. He was a talented and world renowned musician from the Russian Empire. 

Biden and his fellow Democrats are themselves wastefully squandering taxpayer monies on woke agendas, funding endless foreign war instead of channeling these monies to improve the maths and science skills of American youths. 

still too stupid to post in the right thread.

 

once again, please fuck off or stick to topic 

[Guest Lost again]

20 hours ago, singalion said:

 

Just more claims and slogans with not one piece of substantiation...

Do you always like to have the last say in everything? 

[singalion]

 

Russia-Ukraine war at a glance: what we know on day 438 of the invasion

 

There were blasts in Russia-annexed Crimea early on Sunday, according to Russian and Ukrainian media. Russian social media reported air defence systems were repelling attacks. Baza, a Telegram channel with links to Russia’s law enforcement agencies, reported that Ukraine sent drones into the Crimean Peninsula, with Russian air defence shooting down at least one over the port of Sevastopol. There were no casualties, according to the channel’s preliminary information.

 

Ukraine launches wave of drones at Crimea, says governor

Ukraine launched more than 10 drones overnight on the Crimean Peninsula, including three on the port of Sevastopol, a Russian-installed official said early on Sunday, adding that air defence systems repelled all the attacks on Sevastopol.

Reuters reports that the Moscow-installed governor of Sevastopol, Mikhail Razvozhayev, said on Telegram: “No objects [in Sevastopol] were damaged.”

There were no immediate details of any damage from the strikes elsewhere on the Crimean Peninsula, which Russia annexed from Ukraine in 2014.

 

 

[Steve5380]

7 hours ago, 7heaven said:

There was no Ukraine during Tchaikovsky’s time. He lived through the Russian Empire, and produced great master pieces. He was a talented and world renowned musician from the Russian Empire. 

Biden ...   blah blah blah ...

 

 

Please don't comment about Biden in this thread.  This belongs to US politics.

 

There was a slight Ukrainian identity within the old Russian Empire.   The Ukrainians have a little more genes from the Vikings and the Cossacks.  

 

Tchaikovsky was a very talented composer,  and equally important for us, he was a FELLOW GAY!

[7heaven]

1 hour ago, Steve5380 said:

 

Please don't comment about Biden in this thread.  This belongs to US politics.

 

There was a slight Ukrainian identity within the old Russian Empire.   The Ukrainians have a little more genes from the Vikings and the Cossacks.  

 

Tchaikovsky was a very talented composer,  and equally important for us, he was a FELLOW GAY!

If the post has elements of Ukraine and Biden, it is unavoidable to mention. 
 

There is no need to insert Ukraine into Russian Empire for the sake of appearing supportive of Ukraine just because of this war. Tchaikovsky lived in a very different era of the Russian Empire and Ukraine has not existed as a sovereign country yet. 
 

Tchaikovsky is a talent composer from the Russian Empire in 1800s. 

[singalion]

43 minutes ago, 7heaven said:

Tchaikovsky lived in a very different era of the Russian Empire and Ukraine has not existed as a sovereign country yet. 

If the post has elements of Ukraine and Biden, it is unavoidable to mention. 

There is no need to insert Ukraine into Russian Empire for the sake of appearing supportive of Ukraine just because of this war.
 

Tchaikovsky is a talent composer from the Russian Empire in 1800s. 

 

Go and learn history first before posting posts that only embarrass you. 

 

 

Edited May 7, 2023 by singalion

[singalion]

9th century - Founding of Kievan Rus, the first major Eastern Slavonic state. The traditional account, a matter of debate among historians, attributes its founding to the semi-legendary Viking (or Varangian) leader Oleg, ruler of Novgorod, who went on to seize Kiev which, owing to its strategic location on the Dnieper River, became the capital of Kievan Rus.

 

10th century - Rurik dynasty established, and the rule of Prince Vladimir the Great (Prince Volodymyr in Ukrainian) heralds start of a golden age. In 988 he accepts Orthodox Christianity and begins conversion of Kievan Rus, thus setting the course for Christianity in the east. 

11th century - Kievan Rus reaches its peak under Yaroslav the Wise (grand prince 1019-1054), with Kyiv becoming eastern Europe's chief political and cultural centre. 

 

 

 

This empire had nothing to do with Russia. 

 

 

[7heaven]

2 hours ago, singalion said:

 

Go and learn history first before posting posts that only embarrass you. 

 

 

Go and learn history in this real world first before commenting on the posts of others before embarrassing yourself further. 

[singalion]

It is well confirmed that their had been independent Ukrainian empires prior to the seizure of Ukraine by Russia during early centuries.

 

Western parts of the Ukraine were absorbed by Russia in a pact when Poland was split between the Austrian empire and Russia. This was the first time Russia controlled parts of Ukraine.

After the First World War Ukrainians fought for independence from Russia. During that time an independent Ukraine was also recognised.

 

 

16 hours ago, singalion said:

9th century - Founding of Kievan Rus, the first major Eastern Slavonic state. The traditional account, a matter of debate among historians, attributes its founding to the semi-legendary Viking (or Varangian) leader Oleg, ruler of Novgorod, who went on to seize Kiev which, owing to its strategic location on the Dnieper River, became the capital of Kievan Rus.

 

10th century - Rurik dynasty established, and the rule of Prince Vladimir the Great (Prince Volodymyr in Ukrainian) heralds start of a golden age. In 988 he accepts Orthodox Christianity and begins conversion of Kievan Rus, thus setting the course for Christianity in the east. 

11th century - Kievan Rus reaches its peak under Yaroslav the Wise (grand prince 1019-1054), with Kyiv becoming eastern Europe's chief political and cultural centre. 

 

 

 

This empire had nothing to do with Russia. 

 

 

 

[Steve5380]

22 hours ago, 7heaven said:

Go and learn history in this real world first before commenting on the posts of others before embarrassing yourself further. 

 

Poor @7heaven !   You were left so traumatized that you are writing what countless people have told you over and over... 

.

Edited May 8, 2023 by Steve5380

[7heaven]

1 hour ago, Steve5380 said:

 

Poor @7heaven !   You were left so traumatized that you are writing what countless people have told you over and over... 

.

Poor whoever! You are learning weird habits of making post-fillers… 😂

[D.0284]

how to analyse news 2 days apart leh?

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/world/ukraine-president-volodymyr-zelenskyy-vow-defeat-russian-forces-victory-europe-day-3472566

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/world/china-ukraine-ceasefire-parties-touch-3476066

 

[D.0284]

france create a pathway for Xi to call zelenskyy. on surface NATO has to agree on peace talk. if the war did not end with one party paying dearly. it will not end. something like isreal and palestine or the korea. thye knows jolly well it could not happen in europe. there was east and west germany for many decade before the wall was torn down.

[singalion]

 

 

May 9, 2023

 

 

Putin touts 'sacred' battle with West in Ukraine as Russia marks pared back Victory Day

 

May 9 (Reuters) - President Vladimir Putin said on Tuesday that Russians were united in a "sacred" fight with the West over Ukraine but the strains of war were evident at one of the most pared back anniversaries of the victory over Nazi Germany in decades.

Putin has repeatedly likened the war in Ukraine - which he casts as a defensive move against a West which wants to carve up Russia - to the challenge Moscow faced when Adolf Hitler invaded the Soviet Union in 1941.

 

"The decisive battles for the fate of our Motherland have always become patriotic, all-national and sacred," the 70-year-old president told veterans and soldiers assembled on Red Square for the annual Victory Day parade.

"A real war has again been unleashed against our homeland," he said.

Putin hailed Russian forces in Ukraine as heroes who were fighting for the country's future against a West which, he said, had forgotten the decisive role played by the Soviet Union in defeating Nazi Germany.

 

"The whole country rallied to support our heroes. Everyone is ready to help, praying for you," he said of those taking part in what the Kremlin calls a "special military operation".

Putin cheered for "Russia, for our valiant Armed Forces, for victory!"

In his speech, Putin said "Western globalist elites" were sowing Russophobia, while the Ukrainian people had become "hostages to a state coup" and to the ambitions of the West.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-hold-victory-day-parade-amid-tight-security-after-drone-attacks-2023-05-08/

 

[singalion]

 

 

 

Flanked by leaders of ex-Soviet allies, Putin blasts the West

‘War’ unleashed on Russia, the president says at Victory Day parade in Moscow as the war in Ukraine intensifies.

9 May 2023

 

President Vladimir Putin has told Russians that the world is at a turning point and they are engaged in a patriotic struggle as the country marked the anniversary of the 1945 victory over Nazi Germany in World War II.

 

“Today, civilization is again at a decisive turning point. A real war has been unleashed against our homeland,” he said on Tuesday in a 10-minute speech on Moscow’s Red Square.

 

The leaders of former Soviet allies Armenia, Belarus, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan and Kyrgyzstan were welcomed at the Kremlin before they took their places on the dais outside for a military parade. Afterwards, they laid flowers at the eternal flame by the Kremlin walls.

 

Victory Day has become a central event under Putin, who says independent Ukraine represents a return of the World War II threat, but this year’s ceremony was a slimmed-down affair over security concerns as Russia’s war in Ukraine intensifies.

 

After Putin spoke, the military parade began with a band striking up and cannon firing a salute.

 

Soldiers marched through the square, followed by tanks and nuclear-capable intercontinental ballistic missiles.

But a flyover of warplanes was cancelled, and parades in some other cities were scaled back or called off due to shortages of Russian troops and arms at the front in Ukraine.

 

Authorities nationwide organised the traditional “Immortal Regiment” processions, in which people carry portraits of relatives who fought against the Nazis.

 

Moscow-based journalist Yulia Shapovalov told Al Jazeera: “Normally it lasts an hour, but today it lasted 47 minutes.

 

 

Putin repeated familiar messages he has delivered many times in the nearly 15 months of Russia’s war in Ukraine.

 

“Western globalist elites” were sowing Russophobia and aggressive nationalism while the Ukrainian people had become “hostages to a state coup” and to the ambitions of the West, he said.

 

“Their goal, and there is nothing new here, is to achieve the collapse and destruction of our country,” he said, promising that Moscow would overcome this.

 

“We have rebuffed international terrorism. We will protect the people of [eastern Ukraine’s] Donbas. We will ensure our security,” he said.

 

But Putin did not directly address any of the challenges facing Russia as its forces prepare for an expected major counteroffensive by Ukraine. He also did not outline a path to victory.

 

He called for Russia to be victorious: “For Russia, for our armed forces, for victory! Hurrah!”

 

Putin told soldiers taking part in Moscow’s Ukraine campaign, several hundreds of whom were present at the Red Square parade, that “the whole country is with you.”

 

“There is nothing more important now than your combat effort,” he said.

 

“The security of the country rests on you today,” Putin said. “The future of our statehood and our people depend on you.”

 

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, D.0284 said:

france create a pathway for Xi to call zelenskyy. on surface NATO has to agree on peace talk. if the war did not end with one party paying dearly. it will not end. something like isreal and palestine or the korea. thye knows jolly well it could not happen in europe. there was east and west germany for many decade before the wall was torn down.

Yes, something has to give. If either Ukraine or Russia backs down, it will be very shameful for that party who blinks first. 
 

The downside for main foreign supporter of Ukraine are the American taxpayers who are made to fund the war with their taxpayers monies by the Biden administration, with no end in sight how much more they will be asked to pay. Not sure how many billions other European taxpayers have paid to fund this war but American taxpayers are for sure the highest contributors.